Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.

[shaad]

NWO cleanse, sorry for being rude yesterday by the way....

[New World Order Cleanse]

NWO cleanse, you said that MuslimDude's points are already dealt with in the documentary then it won't be hard for you refute it by yourself right? I remember you implied that this website is intellectually stagnant, so it would be easy for an intellectually superior being like you to refute those points....

"Mekka" root appears once in the Quran at 48:24. Some assert that 48:24 was altered from "Bekka" (denoting Petra) to "Mekka" (denoting Mecca) by politicians and other interested parties; some assert that "Mekka" means "destruction"; others believe that it indeed denotes a place called Mecca but not the Meecca known today, but some other place in northern Arabia.

And of course those who adhere to the Abbasid narrative (the hadith, majority of this forum) will believe that this word "Mekka" denotes today's Mecca. This is false, but you are free to double think if you feel it makes your life more comfortable.

[AMuslimDude213]

Agh,it all resorts to the common Quranist argument

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/questions_that_the_quranites_have_no_good_logical_responses_to


Even Your own Quranists

[48:24] He is the One who withheld their hands of aggression against you, and withheld your hands of aggression against them in the valley of Mecca, after He had granted you victory over them. GOD is Seer of everything you do.

(Rashad Khalifa translation)


And Rashad Khalifa translated most of it accurately,so you're also denying your own Quranist theory.

Issue is,you're making up arguments,and not backing them up,my point still stands if Muhammad SAW was from Petra there would've been some literature mentioning him out of the Quran in Petra since Muhammad SAW would've been a big influence to the Petrans.

[New World Order Cleanse]

Agh,it all resorts to the common Quranist argument

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/questions_that_the_quranites_have_no_good_logical_responses_to


Even Your own Quranists

[48:24] He is the One who withheld their hands of aggression against you, and withheld your hands of aggression against them in the valley of Mecca, after He had granted you victory over them. GOD is Seer of everything you do.

(Rashad Khalifa translation)


And Rashad Khalifa translated most of it accurately,so you're also denying your own Quranist theory.

Issue is,you're making up arguments,and not backing them up,my point still stands if Muhammad SAW was from Petra there would've been some literature mentioning him out of the Quran in Petra since Muhammad SAW would've been a big influence to the Petrans.

Forget about black boxes and gymnastics for a second, I have a mental exercise for shaad, who claims this forum isn't intellectually stagnant: there are numerous problems and assumed conclusions in the above quoted comment, point some out and predict the trajectory of my reply.

It doesn't have to be perfect.

[shaad]

NWO cleanse, you claim about politicians changing the name from Bekka to Mecca and stuff....where are the proofs for that?  As far as AMuslimDude's reply is concerned, well if i were you i would have used the same response to him but i've got nothing to back it up....if you could bring some proofs it would be great for us....

[shaad]

NWO cleanse, Concerning the meaning of "Makka", i can see that Osama already responded to you a you said you'll have to consult an expert to check his claim....we'll have to wait for you i guess

[shaad]

Agh,it all resorts to the common Quranist argument

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/questions_that_the_quranites_have_no_good_logical_responses_to


Even Your own Quranists

[48:24] He is the One who withheld their hands of aggression against you, and withheld your hands of aggression against them in the valley of Mecca, after He had granted you victory over them. GOD is Seer of everything you do.

(Rashad Khalifa translation)


And Rashad Khalifa translated most of it accurately,so you're also denying your own Quranist theory.

Issue is,you're making up arguments,and not backing them up,my point still stands if Muhammad SAW was from Petra there would've been some literature mentioning him out of the Quran in Petra since Muhammad SAW would've been a big influence to the Petrans.

Forget about black boxes and gymnastics for a second, I have a mental exercise for shaad, who claims this forum isn't intellectually stagnant: there are numerous problems and assumed conclusions in the above quoted comment, point some out and predict the trajectory of my reply.

It doesn't have to be perfect.

Already said, i would have used the same response....

[Albarra]

NWO cleanse, Concerning the meaning of "Makka", i can see that Osama already responded to you a you said you'll have to consult an expert to check his claim....we'll have to wait for you i guess

Obviously ---  -

Hey brother Osama, can you give me a hand? We're still refuting this crazy guy about Muhammad's birth.

[AMuslimDude213]

Agh,Osama already refuted this fool,all thats left is to ban him,he isnt even adressing MY points,he's just calling them weak and "mental gymnastics" even though my points are simple and straightforward,where is the PROOF?!

I provided my maps,proof,etc,and literature,he didn't so I'm waiting for a rational response with Proof.

[New World Order Cleanse]

Agh,it all resorts to the common Quranist argument

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/questions_that_the_quranites_have_no_good_logical_responses_to


Even Your own Quranists

[48:24] He is the One who withheld their hands of aggression against you, and withheld your hands of aggression against them in the valley of Mecca, after He had granted you victory over them. GOD is Seer of everything you do.

(Rashad Khalifa translation)


And Rashad Khalifa translated most of it accurately,so you're also denying your own Quranist theory.

Issue is,you're making up arguments,and not backing them up,my point still stands if Muhammad SAW was from Petra there would've been some literature mentioning him out of the Quran in Petra since Muhammad SAW would've been a big influence to the Petrans.

Forget about black boxes and gymnastics for a second, I have a mental exercise for shaad, who claims this forum isn't intellectually stagnant: there are numerous problems and assumed conclusions in the above quoted comment, point some out and predict the trajectory of my reply.

It doesn't have to be perfect.

Already said, i would have used the same response....

He claimed that I was affiliated with Rashad Khalifa, just because I reject the Abbasid narrative as canonical like Rashad - this is not true. I don't believe in the no.19 miracle, it's choppy.

[New World Order Cleanse]

Agh,Osama already refuted this fool,all thats left is to ban him,he isnt even adressing MY points,he's just calling them weak and "mental gymnastics" even though my points are simple and straightforward,where is the PROOF?!

I provided my maps,proof,etc,and literature,he didn't so I'm waiting for a rational response with Proof.

Peace.

I didn't respond because your commend was stupid. Your maps are very much post-Islamic and digitized too, which is explicit misinformation. And Ptolemy did not note Mecca on his maps, how many times did I say it - Makoraba on Ptolemy's maps are inland and so it is not the same place as Mecca which is on the edge of the hejaz. Read: https://www.academia.edu/4735458/Suggested_Solutions_for_Issues_Concerning_The_Location_of_Mecca_in_Ptolemys_Geography

Please do not comment on this topic further, I do not wish to converse with you anymore. Thank you.

[New World Order Cleanse]

p.s. I will respond if your comment is well-researched, else assume that I am ignoring you. Peace.

[AMuslimDude213]

Did Abraham build Petra?

[AMuslimDude213]

[AMuslimDude213]