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Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« on: July 27, 2020, 04:25:30 AM »
As-salamu alaykum, In the name of God the most gracious the most merciful, and all praise is due to God. Many people will say that they stick only to Mutwateer Hadith (Hadith which is narrated by a myriad of people which indicates that it's impossible for them to lie, or to make a mistake). They usually rely on saying that Ahad hadith (Hadith which is inly narrated by one narrator) may be wrong as that one narrator may make a mistake while narrating the hadith, so we shouldn't take the risk, and make our belief on a hadith that may be mistaken.

Well, to begin with, the Mutwateer hadith make a minority of the total numbers of hadiths, which means that if we decide to believe the mutwateer hadith only, then we would end up with getting rid of thousands of hadiths. We would actually get rid of all the hadiths, and leave a small amount of them. Another thing to consider, is the prophet Muhammed  did send one person to teach the non-Muslims Islam.


 وعن معاذٍ  قَالَ: بعَثني رسولُ اللَّهِ ﷺ إِلى اليَمن فَقَالَ:  إِنَّكَ تأْتي قَوْمًا منْ أَهْلِ الكِتَابِ، فَادْعُهُمْ إِلى شَهَادةِ أَنْ لا إِله إِلاَّ اللَّه، وأَنِّي رسولُ اللَّه، فَإِنْ أَطاعُوا لِذلكَ، فَأَعْلِمهُم أَنَّ اللَّه تَعالى افْتَرَض عَلَيْهِمْ خمْسَ صَلواتٍ في كلِّ يَوْمٍ ولَيْلَةٍ، فَإِنْ هُمْ أَطَاعُوا لِذلكَ، فأَعْلِمهُم أَنَّ اللَّه افْتَرَض علَيْهِمْ صَدقة تُؤْخَذُ مِنْ أَغْنِيائِهم فَتُردُّ عَلى فُقَرائِهم، فَإِنْ هُمْ أَطَاعُوا لِذلَكَ، فَإِيَّاكَ وكَرائِم أَمْوالِهم وَاتَّقِ دَعْوة َالمظْلُومِ، فَإِنَّهُ لَيْسَ بَيْنَهَا وبيْنَ اللَّهِ حِجَابٌ متفقٌ عَلَيهِ.

Mu'adh (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent me as a governor to Yemen and (at the time of departure) he instructed me thus: "You will go to people of the Scripture (i.e., the Jews and the Christians). First of all invite them to testify that La ilaha ill Allah (There is no true god except Allah) and that Muhammad (ﷺ) is His slave and Messenger; and if they accept this, then tell them that Allah has enjoined upon them five Salat (prayers) during the day and night; and if they accept it, then tell them that Allah has made the payment of Zakat obligatory upon them. It should be collected from their rich and distributed among their poor; and if they agree to it, don't take (as a share of Zakat) the best of their properties. Beware of the supplications of the oppressed, for there is no barrier between it and Allah."

The prophet here sent only one person. Someone may say that this hadith is ahad, and that's right, but the fact the prophet Muhammed sent various individuals is mutawateer.

The Quran says

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. (Surah el Hujrat verse 6)

If we shouldn't believe the news of an individual, then what's the point of ascertaining?

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2020, 12:04:17 PM »
All hadiths belong to garbage if they clash with the Glorious Quran, even if they're thoroughly proven to be authentic.  The Quran is the "Muhaymin" and abrogates all and has total and absolute authority over all books:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


Many things were abrogated that used to be practiced during the early days of Islam.  Example of this stoning to death the adulterous.  This is a Jewish Law, not a Quranic one.  The Quranic one is flogging 100 stripes.

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 02:06:55 AM »
A true hadith doesn't contradict with the Quran. And stoning punishment is mutwateer.

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2020, 10:26:56 AM »
Your hadiths declare that your Prophet got bewitched, while the Glorious Quran calls Muslims like you wicked for saying that.  There are many examples:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2020, 10:39:37 AM »
Brother Osama, mind your language. These hadiths aren't mine. The prophet Muhammed said them, and where in the Quran did it say that whom says that the prophet is bewitched is a wicked person?

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2020, 01:52:49 PM »
[017:047]  We know best why it is they listen, when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference, behold, the wicked say, "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"

[025:008]  "Or (Why) has not a treasure been bestowed on him, or why has he (not) a garden for enjoyment?" The wicked say: "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched."



Are you wicked?  Your hadiths are fabrications and lies.  They say your Prophet got bewitched for over a year, and didn't know his head from his foot about where he was and whom he just spoke with 10 minutes ago:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm


Your hadith say far worse things on the Glorious Quran too.  Why should I trust them, especially when they were written 100s of years after the Prophet?  The Glorious Quran is thoroughly proven, with 1000s of examples, to be Numerically and Scientifically Miraculous:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
  (1000s of examples in zip file)


Like the bibles (plural), I flush every lie in your hadiths down the toilet where they belong.

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 07:17:50 AM »
The infidels are not talking about all the kinds of bewitching. What they meant was that the prophet was saying things because he is bewitched. They didn't mean that he's just bewitched. Why would they mean that? The hadith that says that the prophet was bewitched doesn't say that he said anything related to religion because he bewitched.

In other words, the infidels meant that the we shouldn't follow the prophet's teachings because he was bewitched in a way that would make him invent things, but the hadith didn't say that bewitching here affected the prophet while delivering the message.

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 10:31:39 AM »
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The hadith that says that the prophet was bewitched doesn't say that he said anything related to religion because he bewitched.

And how do you know your head from your butt about what the Prophet said, and what he was wrong about during his bewitchment?  Your hadiths even say that he bowed to idols and sang them a false quran.  So what are you barfing your pile of crap about here exactly?


Your hadiths are full of consipracies and lies against Islam.  Stop subjecting Islam to your holy garbage.   


You are wicked:

Also, stop playing with the Quran.  Saying that your Prophet got bewitched makes you a wicked person.  Allah Almighty declared it in the Glorious Quran.  The Quran rejects your hadiths' fabricated lies:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2020, 02:58:09 AM »
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And how do you know your head from your butt about what the Prophet said, and what he was wrong about during his bewitchment?  Your hadiths even say that he bowed to idols and sang them a false quran.  So what are you barfing your pile of crap about here exactly?


Because the hadith shows us that

 حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ مُوسَى ، أَخْبَرَنَا عِيسَى بْنُ يُونُسَ عَنْ هِشَامٍ ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ، رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهَا ، قَالَتْ سَحَرَ رَسُولَ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم رَجُلٌ مِنْ بَنِي زُرَيْقٍ يُقَالُ لَهُ لَبِيدُ بْنُ الأَعْصَمِ حَتَّى كَانَ رَسُولُ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يُخَيَّلُ إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ يَفْعَلُ الشَّيْءَ وَمَا فَعَلَهُ ، حَتَّى إِذَا كَانَ ذَاتَ يَوْمٍ ، أَوْ ذَاتَ لَيْلَةٍ وَهْوَ عِنْدِي ، لَكِنَّهُ دَعَا وَدَعَا ثمَّ قَالَ : يَا عَائِشَةُ أَشَعَرْتِ أَنَّ اللَّهَ أَفْتَانِي فِيمَا اسْتَفْتَيْتُهُ فِيهِ ، أَتَانِي رَجُلاَنِ فَقَعَدَ أَحَدُهُمَا عِنْدَ رَأْسِي ، وَالآخَرُ عِنْدَ رِجْلَيَّ ، فَقَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا لِصَاحِبِهِ مَا وَجَعُ الرَّجُلِ ؟ فَقَالَ : مَطْبُوبٌ . قَالَ : مَنْ طَبَّهُ ؟ قَالَ : لَبِيدُ بْنُ الأَعْصَمِ . قَالَ : فِي أَيِّ شَيْءٍ ؟ قَالَ : فِي مُشْطٍ وَمُشَاطَةٍ وَجُفِّ طَلْعِ نَخْلَةٍ ذَكَرٍ . قَالَ : وَأَيْنَ هُوَ ؟ قَالَ فِي بِئْرِ ذَرْوَانَ .

فَأَتَاهَا رَسُولُ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي نَاسٍ مِنْ أَصْحَابِهِ ، فَجَاءَ ، فَقَالَ : يَا عَائِشَةُ كَأَنَّ مَاءَهَا نُقَاعَةُ الْحِنَّاءِ ، أَوْ كَأَنَّ رُؤُوسَ نَخْلِهَا رُؤُوسُ الشَّيَاطِينِ . قُلْتُ : يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ أَفَلاَ أَسْتَخْرِجُهُ ؟ قَالَ : قَدْ عَافَانِي اللَّهُ ، فَكَرِهْتُ أَنْ أُثَوِّرَ عَلَى النَّاسِ فِيهِ شَرًّا . فَأَمَرَ بِهَا فَدُفِنَتْ ] صحيح البخاري .

Narrated `Aisha:

that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). Then (one day) he said, "O `Aisha!) Do you know that Allah has advised me as to the problem I consulted Him about?" `Aisha said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What's that?" He said, "Two men came to me and one of them sat at my head and the other at my feet, and one of them asked his companion, 'What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.' The former asked, 'Who has worked magic on him?' The latter replied, 'Labid bin Al-A'sam.' The former asked, 'With what did he work the magic?' The latter replied, 'With a comb and the hair, which are stuck to the comb, and the skin of pollen of a date-palm tree.' The former asked, 'Where is that?' The latter replied, 'It is in Dharwan.' Dharwan was a well in the dwelling place of the (tribe of) Bani Zuraiq. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went to that well and returned to `Aisha, saying, 'By Allah, the water (of the well) was as red as the infusion of Hinna, (1) and the date-palm trees look like the heads of devils.' `Aisha added, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came to me and informed me about the well. I asked the Prophet, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), why didn't you take out the skin of pollen?' He said, 'As for me, Allah has cured me and I hated to draw the attention of the people to such evil (which they might learn and harm others with).' " Narrated Hisham's father: `Aisha said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was bewitched, so he invoked Allah repeatedly requesting Him to cure him from that magic)." Hisham then narrated the above narration. (See Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7)

The bewitching here has nothing to do with delivering the messahe as the Quran said:

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Quran  Surah el Hijr 9)


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 Your hadiths even say that he bowed to idols


That's a blatant lie right there. I dare you to bring me a hadith that says that.

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Your hadiths are full of consipracies and lies against Islam.  Stop subjecting Islam to your holy garbage.   


Hadiths are a piece of authorized history. The fabricated hadiths are surely a piece of garbage, but the true authorized hadiths are never in contradiction to the Quran.

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You are wicked:

Also, stop playing with the Quran.  Saying that your Prophet got bewitched makes you a wicked person.  Allah Almighty declared it in the Glorious Quran.  The Quran rejects your hadiths' fabricated lies:

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The Quran is talking about the infidels who say that we are merely following a bewitched man. The infidels here did not mean that he's just bewitched by any kind of bewitching, but they meant that he's bewitched in a way that would affect his revelation to the message.

Some bewitching causes the two spouses to be apart, some may cause harm to you. Some may a Jinn possess you. Not all bewitching is the same.

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Re: Ahad hadiths must be believed.
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2020, 09:38:51 AM »
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Your hadiths even say that he bowed to idols

That's a blatant lie right there. I dare you to bring me a hadith that says that.

I linked you the satanic verses link.  Next time do read what is given to you.  Go educate yourself on this topic before you decide to debate.  The point here in case you still don't get it is your hadiths can't guarantee a thing about what was corrupted and what wasn't during the alleged bewitchment. 



Separating the husband and wife:

The Noble Verse about Harut and Marut was about Prophet Sulieman, peace be upon him.  This Prophet had abilities and ways to communicate to non-human creatures, such as birds, insects and Jinns.  No bewitchment today can be done that separates the husband and wife.  And your Prophet was never bewitched by having a JEW take a piece of his hair, barf some words on it, and hide it under a rock.  Your false hadiths' writers spit on the face and intelligence of their followers.

As to bewitching Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, Allah Almighty didn't say kaafiroon (infidels).  He said الظالمون (the unjust and wicked).  This includes Muslims.  Yet, Allah Almighty promised to defend the Prophet from people's harm:

[005:067]  Oh messenger! Proclaim (and spread far and wide) the revelation sent to you by your Lord. If you fail to do that, you would have failed to convey the message. Allah will protect you against (the mischief of) mankind. والله يعصمك من الناس  Allah certainly does not guide the nation that disbelieves!



Calling Allah a liar:

So now your false cult is not only a wicked cult for calling Prophet Muhammad a bewitched prophet according to the Glorious Quran, but they also call Allah Almighty a liar.  How is Allah's promise true when your Prophet got bewitched for over a year, and was rendered helpless, and he had no control over his thoughts, speech and memory?


Do you now see how your cult of stupidity is anti-Islam?  They glorify books that were made to bring Islam down from within.

 

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