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« on: February 08, 2013, 08:46:44 AM »
 . brothers im only 15 not that wise probably this is why but when i hear people like Lawrence Krauss refuting god and just people denying god existence really scares me and brings doubt in y heart witch i hate , i cry and cry saying that is not true but its just puts doubt in me . for example a debate like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKrLab0IWg. i dont know what to do anymore do i believe or not im so scared that are we being lied to and just what krauss was saying most of it made sense but i cant obviously just leaves and inshallah i will never leave islam but how do i deal with it, the doubt in me and how can when i see these people trying to prove that god dosnet exist just know its false even when they provide logical arguments and especially when they use science like quantum physics and blah blah , hopefully when im older this doubt that with in me disappears forever, but what can i do to make it stop?

brother but im very lost i have become mentally broken scared about the doubts that there no god i don't know what to believe anymore.......

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 09:56:06 AM »
All their points have been thoroughly refuted. Unless there's something I missed that you should type here.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2013, 10:47:34 AM »
. brothers im only 15 not that wise probably this is why but when i hear people like Lawrence Krauss refuting god and just people denying god existence really scares me and brings doubt in y heart witch i hate , i cry and cry saying that is not true but its just puts doubt in me . for example a debate like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKrLab0IWg. i dont know what to do anymore do i believe or not im so scared that are we being lied to and just what krauss was saying most of it made sense but i cant obviously just leaves and inshallah i will never leave islam but how do i deal with it, the doubt in me and how can when i see these people trying to prove that god dosnet exist just know its false even when they provide logical arguments and especially when they use science like quantum physics and blah blah , hopefully when im older this doubt that with in me disappears forever, but what can i do to make it stop?

brother but im very lost i have become mentally broken scared about the doubts that there no god i don't know what to believe anymore.......
Assalam alaikum
People disbelieved and they will be others who will. This has nothing to do with the truth.
My friend who is physician was telling me today that revising anatomy facts made him amazed how those "God rejectors" even believe themselves.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 11:12:38 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Not trying to give a superficial answer, but really using these God-rejectors' logic, then it is impossible for us also to exist.  Yet, we are!  The best these people can give from "reasoning" about GOD Almighty not existing is things such as the following:

1-  Which came first, the egg or the chicken? 

Answer:  How about pondering upon how did they BOTH came to existence?

2-  How can GOD not have a begining?

Answer:   How about pondering upon where were you 2 years before you were born?  And how SUDDENLY you came to existence into this flesh and blood world?  Could you answer that?

3-  How can humans not have originally came from animals?

Answer:  Instead of limiting your thinking into things of this kind, how about pondering upon how the atoms, that make up every physical thing, came to existence?  Who made them?

Their usual counter answer:  They came from the unknown that we can't currently explain.

Counter answer to that:  We call this "unknown" GOD Almighty, and the proof for this is the fact that every physical thing in the Universe of ours (from celestial bodies to physical creatures) was clearly engineered.  We're not just blogs of physical forms.  We have preceise things for precise functionalities.  Example:  Our hands wouldn't be much if they didn't have the 10 fingers.  We couldn't do much with them.

Their usual counter answer:  This evolution, and we have evolved.  We weren't created with two arms and 10 fingers.  Plus some of us have more than 10 fingers through what is known as birth deformities.

Counter answer to that:  Again, everything comes down to the Atom, and you can't explain how it came to existence.  So at best, you have no answers.  You're only speculating.  And we have ample reasons to believe that we didn't evolve from animals.  Our bodies were different (we were larger) and went through changes (Islam supports this), but none of this disproves GOD Almighty's existence, nor does it explain how the atom came to existence.  So again, the best you can do is speculate and nothing more.

Their usual counter answer to that:  You're a dumb Muslim fool!

Counter answer to that:  Well you're a dumb atheist moron!

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 01:26:04 PM »
I'm an ex-deist. So I know, Br. Osama Abdullah, that your arguments for God's existence are freakin weak. It is a non-sequitur example, like this:

We don't know how x happened
Therefore God did it


In fact, your argument should be like so:
One cannot truly reject God's existence fully until alternative theories 100% replace the origin of matter.

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 02:30:23 PM »
. brothers im only 15 not that wise probably this is why but when i hear people like Lawrence Krauss refuting god and just people denying god existence really scares me and brings doubt in y heart witch i hate , i cry and cry saying that is not true but its just puts doubt in me . for example a debate like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKrLab0IWg. i dont know what to do anymore do i believe or not im so scared that are we being lied to and just what krauss was saying most of it made sense but i cant obviously just leaves and inshallah i will never leave islam but how do i deal with it, the doubt in me and how can when i see these people trying to prove that god dosnet exist just know its false even when they provide logical arguments and especially when they use science like quantum physics and blah blah , hopefully when im older this doubt that with in me disappears forever, but what can i do to make it stop?

brother but im very lost i have become mentally broken scared about the doubts that there no god i don't know what to believe anymore.......


Hi brother,

I have read your post and I am replying as I have felt like you have before. I have always been a Christian but for a period of time, I was so confused and I was scared to even think that I was doubting God. Then I realised that, if there is a God and if he is the God that I read of in the Bible, he is a loving God. I asked Him, 'God, if you really are God, prove it to me - otherwise how can I know you'. I heard of other people's testimonies but it wasn't enough for me. If there was a God who cared, he would speak to me personally. I would cry out to Him for weeks so that he may 'fix' me. My God was faithful to me. His word says in Psalms 34:18 - The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit. He began to speak to me in miraculous ways. Any questions I asked to the Lord would be perfectly answered through men or women of God who had no idea about by prayer to the Lord and who didn't even know me. This was the work of the Holy Spirit. This happened not for 1 or 2 days but is still happening. Then Jesus would reassure me through visions and in his presence I found joy. I still rejoice everyday as I have been given the mercy of God which I was not worthy to receive.

Just know that if you seek God with all your heart, he will never reject you. If you are honest with God he will hear you. If you don't have faith in Him, admit it openly to Him and ask Him to show you his glory. Our God is not a God who is far away and just looks down on people and punishes them or tries to make them afraid. He is the most loving Father who can speak to you and show you the way more than I or any other person on this earth can.

As for the theories suggesting God doesn't exist etc, yes a lot of it sounds plausible but the one thing that God really instilled into my mind is this - how can life come about from non living things? Even to this day, we cannot see life originating from non living matter.

Job 38:1-11
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
 

2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Dress for action[a] like a man;
    I will question you, and you make it known to me.
 

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
    Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
    or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
    and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 

8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors
    when it burst out from the womb,
9 when I made clouds its garment
    and thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 and prescribed limits for it
    and set bars and doors,
11 and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
    and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?


It is hard to believe in something that you have no proof of and that you have never seen. God is understanding; He knows our nature, that we are just men. Seek Him with all your heart and he will never forsake you.

 Proverbs 8:17: I love those who love me and those who seek me diligently find me. Mathew 7:7 - Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you

If anyone has any questions or comments please feel free to reply or e-mail to jesus.breadoflife@hotmail.co.uk

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 08:31:09 PM »
Asalamwalaiukum warahmatullah

1) You are too young to be looking this stuff up.  First learn Islam, then think about other religions and their counters to us.

2)If you still want to learn about them n their counters to us, dont watch random youtube videos.  Watch videos of REAL, KNOWLEDGEABLE muslim scholars  such as Sheikh Albani, Sheikh Uthaymeen, Sheikh abdul aziz bin baz, and Abu khadeejah. 

please visit thise website:  salaf.com

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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 03:45:43 AM »
Dear brothers,

One is never too young to seek the Lord.

Psalm 119:9-16
How can a young man keep his way pure?
    By guarding it according to your word.
10 With my whole heart I seek you;
    let me not wander from your commandments!
11 I have stored up your word in my heart,
    that I might not sin against you.
12 Blessed are you, O Lord;
    teach me your statutes!


Age does not really matter because to be close to God, it is not our own knowledge or experience that is important. It is God who gives understanding and knowledge to those to lack it.

God bless you all.

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 03:36:28 PM »
didn't you know that one of the first imams during the prophet's time was a seven year old boy, who got chosen bcause of his knowledge of Quran and his voice.
Your bnever to young, im only slightly older than you and I own a shop, not my family, its written under my name. Thanks to God.
Peace