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Assalam ul lakum, i hope that the ramadan for all my brothers and sisters in islam is going well for all. Brother Osama i ran into this yet another lie of the christians that monk bahira through his apocalypse of bahira contributed to creation of quran. Plz refute it brother, as a humble request.


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the title says 'legend'.
A legend about Bahira being in Mecca and Medina or perhaps simply stationed in Syria giving instructions as well as co-authoring Quran with some Quraish-Arabs prior establishing religion of Islam.

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The articlenneeds to be refuted it says that Muhammad SAW got the Quran from the Christian monk Bahira and learned from him it also says that in one of the the historical documents that Awkbar way a demon and we say Allahu akbar

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I believe that brother submit made a good analysis that it is a "legend." Thus meaning they came up with it so most likely the whole challenge might be a moot.

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Also reading akbar, it is a clear fabrication they made because the arabic work akbar means greatest. It is a very attempt they made but i am curious if there is such a thing as aplocalypse of bahira then i hope brother Osama can refute it.

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The articlenneeds to be refuted it says that Muhammad SAW got the Quran from the Christian monk Bahira and learned from him it also says that in one of the the historical documents that Awkbar way a demon and we say Allahu akbar

As'salamu Alaikum,

Arab Christians existed in Arabia during and before Prophet Muhammad's days.  And so did Jews as well.  But none of this means a thing.  The following points should help you:

1-  Do Islam's sources say that Islam was a product of Catholics, or Jews or any group?  No.

2-  Do the Quran's Miracles truly exist in the Quran?  Yes.  Not only STUNNING Scientific Miracles, but also STUNNING Numerical ones.  Allah Almighty made a clear Promise about revealing the Scientific Miracles to mankind someday so that it will become quite clear to them that the Quran is the Divine Truth from GOD Almighty.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


In this last link, you'll see Allah Almighty's guarantee to all non-Muslims that the Glorious Quran is from GOD Almighty.  See the Glorious Quran's Number 19 STUNNING Miracle with THOUSANDS OF EXAMPLES from the Holy Book, and other STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles.  Allah Almighty mentioned, in Noble Verses 74:30-37, that He based the Glorious Quran on the Number 19 Miracle for the following reasons:
   
(a)-  As a trial to the disbelievers.
(b)-  To help strengthen the Believers' faith more.
(c)-  To assure the disbelievers that Islam is Divine.
(d)-  Because it is one of the Greatest Signs and Miracles!




Let's all read Noble Verses 74:30-37:

Read the Noble Verses for yourself to clearly see the points that I mentioned above:

[074:030]  Over it are Nineteen.

[074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY  (1) as a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.

[074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,

[074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,

[074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-

[074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY (portents)  MIGHTY ONES (Miracles).

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

[074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-


Again, visit the following link to see the Glorious Quran's Number 19 STUNNING Miracle with THOUSANDS OF EXAMPLES from the Holy Book, and other STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

Also visit the following link for the Main Section that contains 10s (tens) of articles that thoroughly explain many of the Glorious Quran's Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


3-  Regarding the Glorious Quran being a Christian product, do they even have a Perfect and Pure Divine Book from GOD Almighty in order for them to be able to create something somewhat similar to THE PERFECT GLORIOUS QURAN?  Even their Bible declares that "Bible" is a false book:

www.answering-christianity.com/deuteronomy4_2.htm

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Couple of points that totally destroys this rubish legend.

1. It talks that this legend went through metamorphosis meaning it was continusly changed.

2. It claims prophet muhammad pbuh was a devout learner of christianity, which is rubish because that would not only destroy his history as a child but those who ineracted with  him during those times because they were witnesses.

3. We have such clear info that wat verse came out where at what time, that these christians cannot refute. Mecca and medina, also the only time he left mecca and medina was only 2 to 3 times, 1 during accompying with caravan to syria and 2 during when he went for trade to iraq for khadija.

4. The claim that he had manuscripts is a fabrication because if that was the case why did he need to wait till he was 40 to deliver the message.

5. This claim with other claims such as regarding waraqa teaching prophet muhammad pbuh or another christian teaching christianity to prophet muhammad pbuh in mount hira, prove that chriatians have been trying very hard to come up with a lie that sticks, which none do.

6. Most of the quran does not contain verses from bible, which are even more relevant than the verses and stories that are similar, infact quran does wat it says came to confirm and complete what cane before it.

7. We know the monk as bahira, creating a different name like sergio is something these christians do very often.

8. Only instance that the quraishin said they ever talked to bahira was that very moment, there were no other time that any quraishin said they ever met him.

9. From our islamic history we know bahira died lil while after he met prophet muhammad pbuh, that is not giving enough time to learn anything. Another point refuted is that of this other character that was near bahira when he died. We know it was another monk named shamoum.

What i can convlude is that there could have a possibility of another person with name bahira and the christian polmecies trying very hard to CREATE a connection between these 2 DIFFERENT characters.

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I forgot to add that he was illiterate, he could not read or write because almost all of the bedouins were illiterates.


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 Osama Abdallah, you should really stop this. You don't give any answers, but instead you just show us the "scientific miracles" of the Quran.

Questioner:

" Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,

Can you tell me about the five pillars of Islam?"

Answer by Osama Abdallah:

"Check out the GLORIOUS, AMAZING, GLORIOUS, DIVINE, AND COOL scientific and numerical miracles in the Noble Quran!


This is really embarrassing! I admit that the Quran is scientifically accurate and that it has some scientific miracles, but many of them are lies. A good example of a HUGE lie that you made Osama is the Quran saying that the Earth is round. If it did then it would've said:

"كالادحي" NOT "دحاها" all scholars agree that dahaha doesn't mean round, you should stop this lie. If you do not trust me then look at this:

A brother who is professional in Arabic grammar has debunked this:

https://youtu.be/5D4ChAnqkxU

Be sure to also check his channel out. He demonstrates that the Quran is a LINGUISTIC miracle! Another thing that is pathetic is youreally response to the make a sura like it challenge! The challenge has NOT been met! You constantly brag about how you know Arabic, but then you do something like this! LOL! Anyways, you should read this article by Islamic Awareness:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html


Go to that brothers channel. He shows you how the Quran always chooses the PETFECT words. I could go on.


Regarding the Question that brother adilriaz has made:

 The authenticity of the story is kinda bad. I will ask a scholar later. Oh WAIT! It seems to me that the scholar (just oike most scholars) is a Saudi! OMG! How could that happen! I thought that according to our great hadith scholar Osama Abdallah Saudis have not done anything to benefit this Ummah! Brother Osama, you should stop using that Quran in your house since it is most likely printed and made in Saudi Arabia. You should also avoid many of the mosques that are built in the west because the Saudis built a lot of them! Such useless people! LOL. Anyways, Brother adilriaz I will insha Allah ask a scholar sometime soon. But for now you can read thesenes following articles which attempt to prove that the stories are not authentic:


http://aljumuah.com/the-story-of-bahira-the-monk-fact-or-fiction-1-aataai-gazi-mahbub/#comments

http://aljumuah.com/the-story-of-bahira-the-monk-fact-or-fiction-2-aataai-gazi-mahbub/

Osama, I will fully exposes your lies (mostly against Saudi Arabia) after Ramadan. If you want me to stop that then I suggest that you repent to Allah and apologize for insulting my country (by calling them N1ggers) and insulting Saudi scholars (most scholars). I would also appreciate it if you apologize to me because you called me a "filthy Wahabi" but that doesn't matter. What a shame, I thought that you were a great man.





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UPDATE ON September, 14, 2016:

It is ironic that brother Abdullah in another post has linked to a salafi article that said that the earth looks like an egg.  The link is at:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2243.msg9881#msg9881

Also, more thorough refutation here:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2243.msg10156.html#msg10156




Continueing with my rebuttal:

You are bowing to false people who are no more than servants to the zionist machine, who can't stand the Glorious Quran's Truth and Miracles.  They have to belittle It and reduce it to nothing, like their Bible, to kill Islam and turn its Miracles into mockery, as they do with their Scriptures' stories, such as the flood story and splitting of the Sea by Moses, and others.  You can do much better than being a hypocrite for them.

You all heard this lost wahabi attacking the Quran's Miracles.  I am glad he did, because it's time we take on this anti-Islam cult of ignorants and hypocrites and put them in the dumpster along with their infidel allies.



Is the earth Spherical?

As to Dahaha دحاها even the example you gave exposes your stupidity, because both دحاها DAHAHA and كالادحى KAL-ADHA (your word, which means "like an egg") both are derived from دحى DAHA, and they are sister words that are derived from the same root word دحى or دحا.  And your word has كال KAL added to it, which are the words "LIKE" and the "THE" article.  So really, your raw word is ادحى ADHA.  The ها in the Holy Quran's Word دحاها is an addition that references the Word to earth.  So the raw Word is دحى or دحا.  Arabic is read from right to left, and the ALIF letter at the end, can either be written as a straight line ا or as a curved one ى .  Both would be correct spellings.  The ALIF letter has these two variant writings.



The Wahabi VS the Quran:

I want everyone to see this clearly here:

1-  His word, which would've proven that the earth is spherical is ادحى (noun, which means egg)

2-  The Holy Quran's Word that doesn't, according to him, is دحى (verb, which means made round)


And why must Allah Almighty use كال, which are the words "LIKE" and the "THE" article?  Even those who can't read Arabic can clearly see your ridiculous fallacy.  More thorough refutations on this point here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136



And as I gave ample examples from Lisan Al-Arab dictionary and other dictionaries, DAHAHA دحاها means He spread it in a Spherical shapeWe are not living on a flat sheet.  The reader can visit the following link to see the ample examples that I quoted:

www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain


In the links, the reader will also see other Noble Verses that speak about the earth:

1-  Suspended in Space.
2-  Traveling fast.
3-  Going in curvy paths and orbits.




My Answer to the Brother:

As to my answer, you ignorant one, I was showing the brother the following:

1-  Regardless what they claim about the Quran, the Holy Book has proven Itself to be Miraculous and Divine.

2-  Allah Almighty HIMSELF Promised that He will reveal the Scientific Miracles.

3-  So regardless of what the infidels make up from stories and theories, the Quran has proven Itself to be the Divine Truth.

4-  Their theories are false like their false religion.  As Allah Almighty called it, "...they follow nothing but conjecture." (The Glorious Quran, 4:157)

5-  So not only their religion is conjecture, but so are their stupid theories as well.

The reader can again visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


I accept all of your challenges.  I've taken on much much bigger guys than you before and refuted them, with Allah Almighty's Mercy and Will.  Your false cult can't stand the Holy Quran and Its Truth and Miracles.  I am glad your exposing yourself.

So bring it on.  And stop using Ramadan as an excuse.  We're all waiting for your awaited responses.

Osama Abdallah

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I am glad your exposing yourself more and more to be nothing but a toilet paper to your masters and to the Zionist machine, who can't stand the Glorious Quran's Truth and Miracles.  They have to belittle It and reduce it to nothing, like their Bible, to kill Islam and turn its Miracles into mockery, as they do with the Bible's stories, such as the flood story and splitting of the Sea by Moses, and others.

You all heard this wahabi hypocrite attacking the Quran's Miracles.  I am glad he did, because it's time we take on this anti-Islam cult of hypocrites and put them in the dumpster along with their infidel allies.



Is the earth Spherical?

As to Dahaha دحاها even the example you gave exposes your stupidity, because both دحاها and كالادحى (your word) both are derived from دحى, and they are sister words that are derived from the same root.  And your word has كال added to it, which are the words "LIKE" and the "THE" article.  So really, your raw word is ادحى.  The ها in the Holy Quran's Word دحاها is an addition that references the Word to earth.  So the raw Word is دحى or دحا.  Arabic is read from right to left, and the ALIF letter at the end, can either be written as a straight line ا or as a curved one ى .  Both would be correct spellings.  The ALIF letter has these two variant writings.



The Wahabi VS the Quran:

I want everyone to see this clearly here:

1-  His word, which would've proven that the earth is spherical is ادحى

2-  The Holy Quran's Word that doesn't, according to him, is دحى

Even those who can't read Arabic can clearly see your ridiculous fallacy.  As I gave ample examples from Lisan Al-Arab dictionary and other dictionaries, DAHAHA means He spread it in a Spherical shapeWe are not living on a flat sheet.  The reader can visit the following link to see the ample examples that I quoted:

www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain


In the links, the reader will also see other Noble Verses that speak about the earth:

1-  Suspended in Space.
2-  Traveling fast.
3-  Going in curvy paths and orbits.




My Answer to the Brother:

As to my answer, you ignorant one, I was showing the brother the following:

1-  Regardless what they claim about the Quran, the Holy Book has proven Itself to be Miraculous and Divine.

2-  Allah Almighty HIMSELF Promised that He will reveal the Scientific Miracles.

3-  So regardless of what the infidels make up from stories and theories, the Quran has proven Itself to be the Divine Truth.

4-  Their theories are false like their false religion.  As Allah Almighty called it, "...they following nothing but conjecture."

5-  So not only their religion is conjecture, but so are their stupid theories as well.

The reader can again visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


I accept all of your challenges.  I've taken on much much bigger guys than you, before and refuted them.  You're no more than a toilet paper to the Zionists, who can't stand the Holy Quran and Its Truth and Miracles.  I am glad your exposing yourself.

So bring it on.  And stop using Ramadan as an excuse you coward.  We're all waiting for your awaited responses.

Osama Abdallah

 Your typical Osama Abdallah! Lol. He only responds to some of the points made! YOUR are the one who is exposing yourself! First, I NEVER said that the Quran has no scientific miracres! And even if I did, then there is nothing wrong with that! The Quran'says challenge was to make a sura with a style like it, NOT a sura with scientific miracles! There still exists multiple scientific miracles such as the lying miracle, but they are few. Even Hamza Tzortis, would is a Muslim apologist, admit that using scientific miracles to make people convert is a horrible and a very bad idea. In fact, rarely anyone joins Islam because of the "scientific miracles"! And not believing in them is NOT kufr or a sin! This is how IGNORANT you are! You don't give any proper answers to any question! Lol.

Questioner:

" Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,

Can you tell me about the five pillars of Islam?"

Answer by Osama Abdallah:

"Check out the GLORIOUS, AMAZING, GLORIOUS, DIVINE, AND COOL scientific and numerical miracles in the Noble Quran!


Regarding the meaning of Dahaha:

I already gave you a link from a Muslim man who is very professional in Arabic and he refuted the lie. How about you go and check it out instead of running away? And then you call me a coward after that! HAH! If you don't believe him then how about you check this article from Fatwaweb. OH! WAIT AGAIN! They are SAUDIS! SUCH "USELESS" PEOPLE! LOOOL!  And surprisingly you use their website to prove that the Quran doesn't copy anything from Imru Al-Qays! Why do you do that Osama?! I thought that they were Wahabis who need "the royal boot"! Anyways here is the link, it is in Arabic:

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=2935&idto=2935&bk_no=64&ID=2619


Here is an English version (which isn't detailed so Osama don't read this) for the people over here who don't know Arabic:


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=92448

Of course I am not stating that the Earth is flat in the Quran. In fact, all scholars agree that it's round. I'm just saying that it didn't say anything about the shape of the Earth.

Like I said before I will fully exposes your lies against Wahabism and Saudi Arabia after Ramadan. The reason to why I am not doing that right now is because I'm not really in the mood to write a whole entire essay. I will insha Allah make a separate thread.


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Your typical Osama Abdallah! Lol. He only responds to some of the points made!

No, I didn't just respond to your point.  I thoroughly DESTROYED your and your false cult's bogus claim.


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Questioner:

" Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,

Can you tell me about the five pillars of Islam?"

Answer by Osama Abdallah:

"Check out the GLORIOUS, AMAZING, GLORIOUS, DIVINE, AND COOL scientific and numerical miracles in the Noble Quran!

You are pushing me more and more to ban you.  Do not fabricate quotes and lies on me again..  If these are the traits of your rotten cult, then that will not be tolerated here.  I do answer the points directly.  It is you who is too dumb to understand.


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Of course I am not stating that the Earth is flat in the Quran. In fact, all scholars agree that it's round. I'm just saying that it didn't say anything about the shape of the Earth.

The reader will clearly see that the Quran CLEARLY speaks about the earth:

1- Spherical.
 2- Suspended in Space.
 3- Rotating around itself.
 4- Is traveling in Space.

There are several Noble Verses that talk about this.  The reader again can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


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Brothers please it is ramadan, don't debate each other you both are muslims and should behave in such ways with each other. What unites is La illahaillallah muhammadan rasoollallah. What ever rhe mistake we think each other is doing will be resolved when allah sends ak mahdi.


Brother ahmad, i have no problem and im sure what brother osama is not talking about all wahabbis because there are many that are ignorant of how salafism/wahabbism started. But what i do hate is the ibn saud family that betrayed the ummah of rasool sallallahoallayhi wa allayhiwasalam, i am shocked for their own selfish gain that hypocrite family betrayed the palestinan brothers and sisters.

I am apolled how they are still not helping the millions who are suffering when jordan and other muslim countries are helping.

I am shocked that how they could relate to those people that quran says that they will achieve great heights of evil and bible saying synagoges for satan.

I am shocked how they can love money more than those brothers and sisters who are willing to bleed their blood to protect them from the very evil they supported.

I am disgusted how they are willing to join NATO and not be a close ally to their muslim brothers and sisters.

I am shocked at the hypocrisy that they brutaly execute prisoners when not following the sharia themselves. The king's daugther doesn't even cover her hair and the son used to go to night clubs. How csn they call themselves true muslims and do that and enforce others to not to.

I am originally from pakistan, we love saudi arabia so much because our hearts incline to there because birth land of prophets and mecca and medina. When i think that such evil people rule it just disgusts me.

Among the minor end signs was that evil people will be thrown out of medina, meaning there are evil people there in our beloved   muhammas pbuh land, i really wait for the day al mahdi comes and we can clean the ummah of the spies and hypocrites of the mushrikeen.