To continue, here is a answer which i made earlier on youtube answering the its bad to marry children claim ans the claim that if muhammad was the role model we should to it too, remember this is not adressed to you but rather was adressed as a youtube comment to a anti muhammad. Just keep in mind yes aisha was 6 and 9 this is an old comment when i used to hear theories that she was 16 which i will adress amuslimdude123 comment on
ok with regard to aisha, firstly him saying it is bad is subjective based on nothing, in islam there is a rule if the women has hit puberty and it wont cause harm there is no problem, aisha got no harm and she hit puberty, next if what muhammad saws did was bad why didnt she reject him as a prophet he didnt rape her, and for the fact of the matter, aisha was marrying somebody else but then she married muhammad saws. also the people of the quraish who would curse muhammad, call him magician, bewitched etc. but never challenged the age of aisha firstly watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg-vEv_7R0 then tommy says accoridng to the law today this would be punishable by etc. i dont care what your subjective law of the 21cst century is, why are you superimposing your law on the 7th century? Montesquieu in his book "The Spirit of the Laws" which became later one of the foundations of the US law says in that book: "Women are marriageable in hot climates at eight, nine, and ten years of age. thus, childhood and marriage almost always go together there. They are old at twenty: thus reason in women is never found with beauty there" and
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/ http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/why_did_prophet_muhammed_marry_aisha_at_a_young_age__is_that_morally_right__what_about_paedophilia___by_dan_1988 http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_sam_shamoun_s_arguments_regarding_the_prophet_s_marriage_to_aisha https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html also according to hadith she was smart and knew things others did not, “Abu Musa said: Whenever there was any hadith that was difficult [to understand] for us, the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, and we asked Aisha we always found that she had knowledge about that hadith.” “Musa ibn Talha said: I never saw anyone more eloquent than Aisha.” the first ever time someone complained about their marriage was in 1905, so clearly there were no issues with it, also if this was peculiar why didnt anyone say such a thing at least for 1200 years, why didnt her parents object, why didnt anyone make a comment. As i showed you the age of consent in the past, facts about thier marriage, showing she hit puberty, the first time the objection was made was in 1905 which makes this event not weird in history, she was well able to reason, was eloquent and smart. Also again her age is not for certain see the very first link. to conclude the age for marriage in the quran is if one has reached sound judgement, meaning they can understand, they can reason, some tafseers say tthis speaks of her reaching puberty and also being able to think straight. see:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/11/21/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-the-quran/ also, no the prophet didnt say, i want your daughter abu bakr, thr lady who recomended it was, khawrah, again see this link:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/ No muhammad is a normal human being living in that culture. Was it bad those days? No, if Muhammad had lived in england in the 14th century, he couldve done all of this completely legal. So in england 800 years after the prophet this was still normal, there was nothing peculiar about it,this day and age you are right, but those times when you hit puberty you were thought of as being a woman, and from my links i already showed you she hit puberty, was smart, could reason etc. well what does the quran say, let see:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/11/21/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-the-quran/ so hit puberty and have sound judgement/ is mentally ready for it. nowadays you see 15 year olds they definitely are not mentally ready for marriage, but lets see about aisha. She was smart, could reason, understood/knew things better than others, hit puberty, that day and age was legal. So if she hits puberty, she is mentally ready, she can reason, is smart, understands things better than others showing she is smart, it was completely legal from then till even in some places in 1880 (
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/ ) nowadays 9 is not fine, why not? Well firstly they dont really reach puberty at that age, they are not ready for it, cannot reason, is not smart etc. aisha was, so whats the problem, also why did he marry her? Was it a marriafe if pedophelia? Well then why did he not marry more children if that was the case? pls tell me. all his wives were not children, except for her and it was completely aceptable to marry children then, so why didnt he do it? list of marriages: Khadija bint khawilad 40 Twice widowed before Sauda Bint Zama 50 Widow Aisha bint Abu Bakr 9 Started living with the prophet at the age of 9. Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab 22 Widow Zainab bint Khuzaima 30 Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia 26 Widow Zainab Bint Jahash 38 Widow Juwaeria Bint Harith 20 Widow Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan 36 Widow Marya Qibtiya bint shamun 17 Virgin, Egyptian Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab 17 Widow Raihana bint umru bin hanafa Not available Maimuna bint harith 36 why are all his marriages except for 1 or 2 widows, and why only 1 child if he was this supposed pedophile? Or did he marry her for a different reason?
http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html to conclude, that day, aisha hit puberty at 9, was mentaly ready, was smart could reason, understood things that others didnt showing she was smart. it was legal in some places until 1880 why didnt he marry children the whole time, or more than 1 if he was a pedophile as you claim, again this link
http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html 9 not acceptable now as they do not hit puberty, they are not mentaly ready for it, cant reason, arent smart etc. also, he wasnt the one that suggested the marriage with her links for supporting proofs: puberty and not suggesting the marriage,
https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/ she was smart, could reason, knew things better than others,
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 age of consent in 1880,
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/ not a pedophile for the reasons mentioned, above and this link:
http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.html also many people think their marriage was also for political reasons as it would put abu bakr in a highj place even if muhammad died as he was the father of aisha, either way, different point. also finally, it is not a 100% she was that age, as it still contradicts with some historical things, sites that make such a claim are these:
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 http://hameem.org/index.php/multimedia/articles/89-articles/149-proof-that-aisha-was-over-15-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-peace-be-upon-him http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/age_of_aisha_(P1472).html but personally i accept the age of 9, also tell me why the first time ever being criticized was 1905, why not earlier if it was so bad, also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_zypf8DAU&t=406s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhyhxOKI4E http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/aisha_new.htmlhttp://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm#_ftn1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYk-tRp9jk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zauvfaGzyzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg-vEv_7R0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM4IuDVFL3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LZHTEv1BI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8eeHRAIaIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_zypf8DAU&t=406s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYk-tRp9jk&t=6s muhammad said la dirar wa la dirar, meaning do not cause harm to yourself or to others, so aisha was not put into harm, nor is there any hadith to say she was put in harm, so this is an argument from ignorance and from silence and from no proof also: One of the most common polemic thrown against Islam is the prophet Muhammad’s marriage to Abu Bakr’s daughter Aisha. The Anti-Islamic’s claim that the marriage was very wrong due to Aisha’s young age. I will not be going through this subject in vast detail since the topic has already been sufficiently dealt with. What I will be doing is to simply give a short summary of points which refutes the entire anti-Islamic’s position. This will make it easier for Muslims in the future to be able to respond to Christians who bring this argument up. 1- If the marriage was so wrong, then why didn’t Aisha’s mother object to the marriage? Instead she happily gave Aisha for marriage, and prepared her for the marriage 2- Why didn’t Abu bakr the father of Aisha object to the marriage? If it was so wrong you would expect the father to have not allowed such a marriage to take place. 3- Why did the women who were present with Aisha when she was about to be given to the prophet for marriage wished her luck and were happy for her. If the marriage was wrong, the women present would have been sad, and they would not have been happy for Aisha, rather what we see is that they were happy for Aisha and had no problems with this marriage whatsoever. 4- Are we supposed to assume that Abu Bakr, and Aisha’s mother, and the women present with Aisha are all pedophiles and child molesters? Indeed such a conclusion with be very ignorant, and arrogant. 5- Why didn’t any of the prophet’s enemies use this against the prophet Muhammad? If the marriage was so wrong, then you would expect to find his enemies to be the first ones to start using this against him, instead what we find is that his enemies NEVER EVEN ONCE brought this marriage up in a negative way against him. 6- In fact why didn’t any of the Arabs around the Hijazi area object or talk against this marriage? It was not only the pagan Arabs in Hijaz who didn’t object to this marriage, but the surrounding Arabs didn’t object to it neither! 7- Are we to assume that ALL these Arabs were pedophiles and child molesters? Indeed such a conclusion would make the one making this conclusion a very stupid man, because only a very stupid arrogant man would accuse an entire race of being child molesters and pedophiles. 8- Why is there not a SINGLE hadith from Aisha showing her being displeased of the marriage? Why is there not one hadith from Aisha showing her to be like a victim, instead when you look at Aisha you find no symptoms of a victim. She became a great leader for Islam, a great scholar for Islam who would teach about Islam to many men. Does this seem to be the symptoms of someone who has been abused? 9-If Aisha was indeed a victim and so on, then why did she love the prophet Muhammad so much, and would sometimes get jelous around him because she loved him so much, does this sound like someone who is a victim? 10- from all the hadith literature we have, we can confidently say that if Aisha was alive today, that she would distance herself from these Christians making these sick arguments, and that she would want nothing to do with these people, this in itself speaks volumes since these people making this sick argument are supposed to be the good guys who are trying to be helpful. All these points made here are enough to refute the Anti-Islamic’s entire position, and they themselves know this. I could show more points, showing that the age of marriage in the past used to be at a very young age, something history agrees with, but these Anti-Islamic’s are so hate filled and arrogant they will say ALL OF HISTORY is wrong but only today in our modern world we are right. Yet if we look at our modern world, we are a disgrace, and the past is much better than us, look at us today in the modern world. You have men marrying each other; you have late night television showing people having sex like animals doing all sort of sick things. You have people dropping atomic bombs on each other; you have countries invading other countries to take all their natural resources. And this is just the tip of the ice-berg, much more bad things could be said about our modern world, but something which I do find interesting is most of the bad things occurring in our modern world is a result of western Christian influenced societies, that says it all.
firstly you are claiming this to be bad for no reasons, she had hit puberty there was no harm, there was consent from her and her parents, she was going to marry someone else, she was the duaghter of his best friend, she was smart and has done so much for the religion and ready for marriage. you act like it is so bad, well if it was, why then was the firs time it was called bad in 1905 even though the information was widely available were all americans child molesting pedos? but well over 30 States had the age of consent at 10. The following States had the age of consent at 10 in the 1800s: 1. Alabama 2. Arkansas 3. California 4. Colorado 5. Florida 6. Georgia 7. Idaho 8. Iowa 9. Kansas 10. Maine 11. Maryland 12. Massachusetts 13. Michigan 14. Minnesota 15. Mississippi 16. Montana 17. Nebraska 18. New Hampshire 19. New Jersey 20. New York 21. North Carolina 22. North Dakota 23. Ohio 24. Oregon 25. Pennsylvania 26. Rhode Island 27. South Carolina 28. South Dakota 29. Tennessee 30. Texas 31. Vermont 32. Wisconsin 33. Wyoming montesqiue a french philospher on who the whole of the netherlands is governed by, so he is a big guy, said: in his book "The Spirit of the Laws" which became later one of the foundations of the US law says in that book: "Women are marriageable in hot climates at eight, nine, and ten years of age. thus, childhood and marriage almost always go together there. They are old at twenty: thus reason in women is never found with beauty there" you said that you are not a believer, if you are not a believer then you dont have objective morality this is what atheism is, because if you dont have someone who knows everything you cannot be certain therefor you dont have objective morality. why are you as a atheist depending on a 21st century social construction legalistic definition of adult, why? why are you superimposing your 21st century thought and basically the whole history which defined being adult as someone has attained puberty, why? (and by the way aisha had hit puberty i can give the evidences) jeremy rifkin wrote in his book the emphatic civilization that before the 19th century adulthood was defined by attaining the age of puberty. in the book Human Development, it is said that women attain puberty at the age of 10 on avergae, and from aishas on words, and from sahih bukhari it is said that aisha had already hit puberty. we are not looking a a snapshot of history we are looking at the whole human time, child brides wasnt something new, but why are you trying to superimpose your subjective 21st century view on the whole history, romans and greeks married girls at 12 are you going to cuss them out now too? now this was 1400 years ago, wrap your head around that, 1400 years, and after 1400 years you are trying to superimpose your idead on them, really? if you really want to do this, ok the whole of america in the 1880 was pedophilic for their age 10 consent / marriage law. and in delaware where it was 7, literally all of the arabs were pedophiles in the 7th century, the romans and the greekd were pedophiles, everyone who read the biography from the muhammad from th 7th century to the 20th century are all pedos because the first time this insult was given was in 1905. from an objective philosphical perspective: montesqiue said: in his book "The Spirit of the Laws" which became later one of the foundations of the US law says in that book: "Women are marriageable in hot climates at eight, nine, and ten years of age. thus, childhood and marriage almost always go together there. They are old at twenty: thus reason in women is never found with beauty there" aisha hit puberty so biologically she was an adult there was no harm she was going to be married off anyway we believe god arranged this marriage for she was the daughter of the best friend of muhammad who then would get a high place in islam for all times, AND also aisha has done so much for the religion like narrating ahadith, and stories, and what his habits were etc. SO, what was wrong about it? just saying she was young doesnt mean anything, isaac married a 3-10 rebekah, david married a 12 year old abishag. saying she is young is not a new thing, we know this, but what was wrong with him marrying a young girl? what? you are superimposing your legalistic definition of pedophelia on all societies before 21sr century, gandhi was 13 when he married, the word pedophleoia being pu in the dictionary is a recent thing from 20th century thought, so why are you superimposing your laws from 1300 , one thousand threehundred years later and saying what someone ditd back then is bad, really mate? nobody thought it was bad then or for 1300 years till the first criticism in 1905, really? you base your objections on 1300 year later thought, its just ridiculous to me.
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