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Hi Mclinkin, :/ You seems to be very rude.

.                   Don't have anything to say than that?

Quote from: TheEyeofGod on May 12, 2014, 04:39:31 PM

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on May 12, 2014, 01:17:20 PM

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According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.

Brother TheEyeofGod,
You don't even know your own scriptures.  GOD Almighty not only sent in the past lying spirits, but He also turned David's women into prostitutes because of David's sins.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Hmmmmm good brother ( Osama Abdallah)
I don't even open your link.
    But Yes! God can use your enemies to punish you and your belongings for your sins, or your own belongings to punish you as well , note you mentioned there that "is because of David's sin" so God can never punish you unnecessary or without sin. We can also see that God do punish his people severely  in the Bible especially the Israelites  when they sin against Him, He's using this punishment to correct them so as for them not to fall into the same trap in another time, for instance  if you punish your child because he/she did a wrong thing, he can never do the same another time. When you committed  sins  , that means you've disobeyed God (you are no more in God's side) so if God now punish you because you've sinned, He did that to you, and for you to know that what I've done Is wrong, that I've departed from His way , Is now for you to go back to Him and he will accept you. This king David you mentioned , despite all his sins, although God do punish him but He still love him, because he knows how to seek God's face. So when God want to punish someone for his/her sin , he can use anybody or anything to  punish such person.
But thank God for today, even if we committed sin, and we realised that we've committed and seek His face instantly, He will surely forgive us. That is the Grace we have trough Jesus Christ (God's only begotten Son).
Remember again if God did all this, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). So you can never quarry God for doing that.
You're blessed!

What I am just going to say about this is, you do not even bother to open the link given. That is where the valid argument lies, the least you can do is to analyse what he has written in both article. It is best to be honest, and if you really feel that you are truthful and on the true side, should you not browse the article he has written and maybe, if you think that the allegation made is not true, you could have make a correction for it and reply them to brother Osama Abdullah. What constitute my point here is that if you progress with your point without taking your opponent's point into account that would be futile, I name it beating around the bush. You are not answering his question, nor correcting his stance, if you deliberate your stance for Christianity is candour and honest one.

That is all from me thank you. No, I won't say anything about the argument in your scripture, because I only have studied a little from them. But please, if you really consider yourself a valid proponent of Christendom, then please heed on Osama Abdullah's question and words. Do not yet skip over his point as you assert yours, or your argument on Christianity will be in vain.

.                                                                                   Thanks my eminence brother, you've spoken well. But what I can compare the matter of the link to , is like you send your boy somewhere to give a speech, and immediately in your presence he started speaking rubbish, so there is no assurance that he won't shoot bullet at where you send him.that means to say, he has shown you the preamble of what he's going to render there.    You said well that "I suppose to make correction on his link if I'd read it" but how many times do I want to make correction? I said it in my last posts that this site is meant for argument, and if he could read my comment/post, am very sure that he would find corrections.                                                Anyway brother you make a point, thanks very much.

#9 But, as it is written,
"What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him"— ....................
&&
#10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. .........

IS SPIRIT LEAD US TO LIE?
2 Chronicles 18:21

New International Version
"'I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. "'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

New Living Translation
"And the spirit replied, 'I will go out and inspire all of Ahab's prophets to speak lies.' "'You will succeed,' said the LORD. 'Go ahead and do it.'
1 Kings 22:23

New International Version
"So now the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

#Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God......
John 4:24 ESV /

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”


I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TWO COMMENTS:TWO COMMENTS ARE COMPLETELY CONTRADICTION TO EACH OTHER :

Creator and Creations:

Islam does not subscribe to the idea that this universe is just an
illusion. It is real, but it is just a creation which has a beginning
and an end. According to the theory that Universe is just an illusion
it does not need a creator behind it. But the Holy Quran says
that it has a Supreme Creator and all the creations are proclaiming
His purity and truth.
``Whatever is in the heavens and on earth
Let it declare the Praises and glory of Allah,
For He is the exalted in might, the wise’’ (Al Hadid:1)
The preposition that the Creator and the creations are one and
the same is another side of the same coin. islam reaffirms that this
theory is absurd and baseless. The essence of Allah is distinct
from His creations. The God Qur’an present is not one whose
entity is spread over in all His creations. If that be so He has to
have limitations partially. But He is beyond all nature ie., His
essence is distinct from nature. But His knowledge and power
contain and include all things. From the feeblest movement in an
atom to the gigantic explosions of stars are within His power and
control. He is beyond time and space limitations. He is beyond
matter and its limitations. His power stretches to all macro and
micro world.
``To Him belongs the dominion of the heaven and the earth
It is He who gives Life and Death and
He has power over all things He is the first and the last
The evident and hidden
And He has full knowledge of all things’’ (Al Hadid: 2,3)
All the creatures in this world are Allah’s creations. Creator
and creations are not the same. Creation is entirely distinct from
the Creator. It is like a painter and his painting. Painter is not the
painting. Painting is not the painter. From any perspective they
are different. Qur’an uses the words `doonillahi (besides Allah)
and `gairullahi’ (other than Allah) whenever creation are mentioned.
It is clear from these words that creations are absolutely
different from God. All creations including man are different from
the essence of Allah according to the Qur’anic teachings.

According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.
Secondly, And who are we to say that this is wrong? In the
words of Paul, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). So you can never quarry God for doing that.

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God has created all the human race as free
moral agents. "Choose ye," has been His policy
from the beginning. "Choose for yourselves this
day whom you will serve." This same choice was
open to Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Saul and
David–and Ahab. In fact, we can read where
Ahab had many opportunities to choose. And
time after time he chose the wrong. Time after
time he made himself God's enemy.
But did God in using Ahab's prophets to
persuade him to go up to battle at Ramoth-
Gilead practice some form of deception? Did He
persuade Ahab against Ahab's will?
The story is found in First Kings 22. It involves
the two divided kingdoms: Israel to the north,
under the leadership of the infamous Ahab; and
Judah, the southern portion, under King
Jehoshaphat. Syria was a strong foreign power
north and east of Israel. Ramoth-Gilead, which
lay east of Israel across the Jordan, was the land
in question at the time: and all the broad fertile
fields of Ramoth-Gilead belonged to Syria. Ahab
could not forget that the prosperous land used
to belong to Israel. The same jealous eye that
coveted Naboth's vineyard coveted Ramoth-
Gilead.
At this point Ahab's decision was made: He
wanted Ramoth-Gilead and he would have it. He
would ask no one's advice; he would go and
fight for it himself. He invited Jehoshaphat to
join him in the venture, and Jehoshaphat
consented. But Jehoshaphat suggested that a
few formalities might be in order: Should not
the King of Israel inquire of the Lord?
Whereupon Ahab gathered four hundred of his
"yes-men prophets" (not true prophets of the
Lord) around him. No problem. They all said
just as they were supposed to, and the King was
flattered.
But Jehoshaphat was not satisfied. "Is there not
a prophet of the Lord here whom we can
inquire (1 Kings 22:7, NIV). Ahab agreed
reluctantly, and sent Micaiah.
The prophecy from the Lord was just what
Ahab had expected -no good. The whole
enterprise was to be ill-fated....it would even
cost Ahab his life. Israel would be left as sheep
without a shepherd.
The determined King Ahab had heard enough.
But Micaiah said more. His message was a
flashback of what had already happened. He
related the details of the prophetic vision the
Lord had given him. He saw in vision the Lord
holding a conference with his "spirits" (or
"angels"–see Ps. 104:4: Heb. 1:7). The subject of
the conference was to decide upon a plan
whereby Ahab would be persuaded to go up to
Ramoth-Gilead and be killed. One angel had the
acceptable idea ...... he would go and "be a lying
spirit in the mouths of all his [Ahab's]
prophets" (l Kings 22:22, NIV). Then Micaiah
concluded his message of doom to the wicked
king: "So now the Lord has put a lying spirit in
the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The
Lord has decreed disaster for you" (l Kings
22:23, NIV).
We know that God is just and righteous in all
His dealings. He never compels any to sin
against their will: for He is "not wanting anyone
to perish, but everyone to come to
repentance" (2 Pet. 3:9, NIV). Constantly He is
imploring that we forsake the evil and love the
good (Amos 5:14-15). This was the principal
message delivered by His prophets: "Wash the
evil from your heart and be saved." "If you had
responded to my rebuke, I would have poured
out my heart to you and made my thoughts
known to you." "Rid yourselves of all the
offenses you have committed .... Repent! Turn
away from all your offenses" (Jer. 4:!4: Prov.
1:23; Ezek. 18:31, 30, NIV).
All are free to choose their own course of action.
And so was Ahab. The Lord was exceedingly
longsuffering to tolerate Ahab's evil devising as
long as He did. In the instance of Ahab's going to
battle at Ramoth-Gilead, the Lord did nothing to
persuade Ahab until Ahab had already, made up
his own mind to do evil. In fact, the whole
scheme was of Ahab's devising. God did not
originate the sin, He simply permitted it: and in
the Hebrew's vocabulary, what God permitted
He was said to do. Therefore we read that the
Lord moved Ahab's prophets to persuade the
wicked king to "attack Ramoth Gilead and be
victorious," thus confirming the king in his
wicked plan. And the Lord, knowing through
divine foreknowledge what the outcome would
be, saw fit to use this permission to advance His
plan, i.e., to allow Ahab to be removed from the
scene of action.
We must remember that God is supreme in the
affairs of men. All things which happen are
things which He allows; therefore He may be
said to do or cause what happens because those
events fit into His eternal purpose. He is
supreme, and when anyone proves to be
steadfastly minded against Him, He has the
right and the power to see that such a one's
opportunity is given to another who may
comply more nearly with the will of the Lord.
He does this "so that the living may know that
the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of
men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets
over them the lowliest of men" (Dan. 4:17, NIV).
"The authorities that exist have been
established by God"; therefore, it is within the
Lord's rights to depose whom He will, and raise
up whom He will, according to His overall
purpose (Rom. 13:1-4, NIV).
And who are we to say that this is wrong? In the
words of Paul, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). He is omnipotent, and whole nations
before Him are as "a drop in a bucket," even
"worthless and less than nothing" unless they
voluntarily place themselves under His
authority and become worthy of His protection
and blessing.*******

Note the spirit of God (not worldly spirit) will let us to understand good things of this life and life to come
Read again 1 corinthians 2 " 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?"But we have the mind of Christ.. Thanks

Quote from: gandalf the white on April 19, 2014, 05:47:28 AM

this is funny, did anyone ever ask a chritian about what happend to those who lived before isa came ?? did they all go to hell ? if so, then the christians worship a mad devil.

Yeah!! And some christians even say that every prophet before Jesus are in hell(Including Abraham, David, Elias and others)!! What a ridiculous thing? the Prophets who had done a lot of service for God how can be they are in hell? According to this Even the so-Called chosen People (Jews) are also in hell. It Really it seems a pagan thinking.

What you don't know is that, three days that Jesus used in the grave, he was preaching to them, I mean the dead ones

Peace be onto you my brother, firstly Jesus is the Messiah and the Prophet, Isaiah 9:6ff and Matt 21:11, John 7:40.                      You said Jesus is not David lineage, I don't ague but read Matt 1:1-17, v17 says" so all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, and from David until the carrying away from Babylon are fourteen generations, and from carrying away into Babylon to Christ is fourteen generations" totally make forty-two generations from Abraham, while is Twenty-Eight generations from David to Christ, so please note this.                                You said John was referring to Jesus Christ in John 1:19-21.     But let me tell you that, the verses is referring to John Himself, in John 1:19-21 " v19 Now this was John's testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. v20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, "I am not the Messiah. v21They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered, "No."..." Truly he said all this, but He didn't want to tell them that He is the Elijah(prophet) ,let check v22-23 of this chapter " v22 Finally they said, "Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself? v23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'"
He was the one that the Book of Malachi 4:5-6 talking about, He is  Elijah , as we all know that Elijah didn't died, so he was sent in form of John the baptist . See luke 1:16,17. Malachi 4:5-6 "
v5 "See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. v6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.".                                                                        The Angel of God has foretold the birth of John as Elijah.  In the book of Luke 1:5-25. Esp in verses 11:20 11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
18 Zechariah asked the angel, "How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years." 19 The angel said to him, "I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. 20 And now you will be silent and not able to speak until the day this happens, because you did not believe my words, which will come true at their appointed time."
               Jesus Christ also talk about him(John) in Matt 17 when coming down from the mount of transfiguration with Peter, James and john his brother, in verses 10-13 "v10 The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" 11 Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist." We can see that the disciples don't know also, but Jesus said Elijah (John which they doesn't recognize him as Elijah)
as come ,but they didn't recognize him.
So therefore John 1:19-20 is referring to John the baptist.              You also said that Jesus is coming as an Arab not as an Israelite Matt 24:25-27".             But let me tell you this chapter (matt 24)  is talking about the signs of End Time, so by saying "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the wilderness,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it." He was saying that their would be False prophets at the end time, but we should not listen to them, matt 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. and also Matt 7 v15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? So He was warning us . And by saying " For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." Normally the moon do rise from east to west  , likewise  thunder, he may come from east but that doesn't mean He's coming like an Arab :D no! . Revelation 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,"
and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"   he is also coming like a thief at night, without noticing. Pls read Matt 24:32-44, 1john 2:2, John 1:29.  So pls note, He is coming as a king to judge  the world.                                                                                          NOTE :- Genesis 16:11-13 of your own bible, which I don't know where you get it from says "And he added, Now thou art with child; it
is a son that will be born to thee, and thou
shalt call him Ismael (that is, God hears), in
token that God has listened to thee in thy
affliction.
12 His shall be a nature none can tame;
hating all (evil) and hated by all (evil ones)
, he shall pitch his camp eastwards of his
brethren.
13 Thus the Lord spoke to her, and thus she
named him, Thou art God, that hast looked
on me; for indeed, she said, there was one
who looked on me here, and I saw him as he
left me". You were trying to defend Ismael not as arrogant.
But this is what is written in my bible..
Genesis 16:11-13 " 11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
"You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."

13 She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." So NOTE Ismael will be a wild donkey of a man (I.e He will be tormenting, forcing, behaving arrogantly) not he shall be nature non can tame as you said. Secondly when he is behaving like this , his hand will be against him.  Not that hating all (evil) and all that do evil, he himself is evil.     So this verses shown that he has already coursed by God himself. Thanks very well, may the grace of the Lord abide with you always in Jesus name! Amen!!!                                                                   Shalom.