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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Story of Iblis makes no sense ? help
« on: August 02, 2020, 12:38:39 PM »
Can you provide an source that explains the rule of Tagleeb, because I cannot find anything about it on internet. Does it even exist 
All website copy/paste the same explanation...
All website copy/paste the same explanation...
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Are these contradictions in the Quran?
« on: August 01, 2020, 10:26:11 AM »
Those aren't contradictions.
Imagine this story
John went to Bob, and told him "I'm the best player of basketball. I cannot be defeated"
Bob said : "You aren't, because I am! It is I that has never been defeated!"
John said : "Alright, let us play a game and see who is the best"
They played and Bob won. John said : "How could I have lost this game ? I was supposed to be the best !"
What Allah does in multiple places of the Quran is that He splits the story in multiple parts and reveal a part in different verses of different surahs, so that it ressembles like this
PART 1:
John went to Bob, and told him "I'm the best player of basketball."
Bob said : "You aren't, because I am!
John said : "Alright, let us play a game.
They played and Bob won.
PART 2:
John went to Bob, and told him "I'm the best player of basketball. I cannot be defeated"
Bob said : "It is I that has never been defeated!"
John said : "Alright, let us play a game and see who is the best"
John said : "How could I have lost this game ? I was supposed to be the best !"
Imagine this story
John went to Bob, and told him "I'm the best player of basketball. I cannot be defeated"
Bob said : "You aren't, because I am! It is I that has never been defeated!"
John said : "Alright, let us play a game and see who is the best"
They played and Bob won. John said : "How could I have lost this game ? I was supposed to be the best !"
What Allah does in multiple places of the Quran is that He splits the story in multiple parts and reveal a part in different verses of different surahs, so that it ressembles like this
PART 1:
John went to Bob, and told him "I'm the best player of basketball."
Bob said : "You aren't, because I am!
John said : "Alright, let us play a game.
They played and Bob won.
PART 2:
John went to Bob, and told him "I'm the best player of basketball. I cannot be defeated"
Bob said : "It is I that has never been defeated!"
John said : "Alright, let us play a game and see who is the best"
John said : "How could I have lost this game ? I was supposed to be the best !"
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Story of Iblis makes no sense ? help
« on: August 01, 2020, 10:16:08 AM »
Quran 7:11-13
And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
[ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
[ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased.
There is a huge problem in those verses :
Allah ordered to angels to prostrate, but Iblees didn't, so Iblees is a an angel. But, the following verse states that Ibless was made from fire (so probably a Jinn). This is confirmed at 18:50 :
And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.
But then, why did Allah mention Iblees amongst the Angels :
"WE SAID TO THE ANGELS... SO THEY PROSTRATED, EXCEPT FOR IBLEES" What the hell ? This makes no sense.
The only explanations are the following:
1) Qu'ran is contradicting itself
2) A Jinn is, or can be an Angel
The second explanation is impossible, because 16:49-50
And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of creatures, and the angels [as well], and they are not arrogant. They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.
Angels cannot disobey Allah, but Iblees is amongst the Angels and disobeid Allah, so he is not an angel, but then, what the hell is he doing amongst the angels ?
Please, explain this by only using the verses of the Quran. (!!!)
And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
[ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
[ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased.
There is a huge problem in those verses :
Allah ordered to angels to prostrate, but Iblees didn't, so Iblees is a an angel. But, the following verse states that Ibless was made from fire (so probably a Jinn). This is confirmed at 18:50 :
And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.
But then, why did Allah mention Iblees amongst the Angels :
"WE SAID TO THE ANGELS... SO THEY PROSTRATED, EXCEPT FOR IBLEES" What the hell ? This makes no sense.
The only explanations are the following:
1) Qu'ran is contradicting itself
2) A Jinn is, or can be an Angel
The second explanation is impossible, because 16:49-50
And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of creatures, and the angels [as well], and they are not arrogant. They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.
Angels cannot disobey Allah, but Iblees is amongst the Angels and disobeid Allah, so he is not an angel, but then, what the hell is he doing amongst the angels ?
Please, explain this by only using the verses of the Quran. (!!!)
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: True Story of Dhul-Qarnayn - MIRACLE OF QU'RAN (READ !)
« on: July 04, 2020, 11:38:18 AM »
Yes very interesting Mclinkin94! Hami'atin and hamiyyatin are both correct in describing the black hole. But I would like to come back to 2 statements of yours, when you said you liked this "alternative interpretation" because I think this is the only interpretation possible. There is no way this story could have happened on Earth considering the word sabab which literally refers to something that ascends to the sky, to space. So there's no way this was on Earth, because Allah wouldn't have used sabab if it was the case. The second sentence is when you said this is Dhul-Qarnayn's perception: yes but no. Muslims think that the "sun setting in a murky spring" means he thought that the sun was setting in a murky spring, because it was how he perceived it. But here, it is Allah speaking. The sentence is not : Dhul-Qarnayn said : I have found the sun setting in a murky spring!". It is Allah describing what Dhul-Qarnayn saw therefore it cannot be a metaphorical or subjective. It must be a scientific fact, so this clearly refutates the interpretation that the "setting on a murky spring" is supposed to be interpreted metaphorically.
I don't know if I made myself clear : what I mean is that since Allah is describing what Dhul-Qarnayn sees, the "murky spring" must a fact and not a metaphorical or subjective view... This is how we must interpret the "setting of the sun in a murky spring" literaly!
I don't know if I made myself clear : what I mean is that since Allah is describing what Dhul-Qarnayn sees, the "murky spring" must a fact and not a metaphorical or subjective view... This is how we must interpret the "setting of the sun in a murky spring" literaly!
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: True Story of Dhul-Qarnayn - MIRACLE OF QU'RAN (READ !)
« on: July 03, 2020, 02:00:47 PM »
IV) If you still think that Dhul-Qarnayn's story happened on Earth ?
- How do you explain the word sabab, which means a celestial way ? How can it happen on Earth when Allah says 4 times that it happened in the sky/space ?
- How do you explain the setting of the sun in a murky spring ? Many Muslims, out of shame, avoid this problem by saying that it was the description of Dhul-Qarnayn's view: false ! It is Allah speaking! Unless this is a sentence like : He said : "I saw it setting in a murky spring", but this is not the case. You must understand that every word of the Quran was spoken by Allah, so the setting of the sun is said by Allah, therefore it cannot be Dhul-Qarnayn's view nor can it be a scientific error...
- How do you explain the fact that maghriba ash-shams in only present in this verse and that other verses only contain maghriba individually, and not followed by any other words ? This difference was made deliberately !
- How do you explain matlia ash-shams, only present in this verse, for all other verses about the setting of the sun mention machrika....
- How do you explain the absence of a gigantic iron wall on Earth ? That Ya'juj Ma'juj are stuck behind it (or underground even though the Quran says no such thing) for centuries now ? How did they survive underground ?
- How do you explain the fact that the definition of sudd fits completely the one of a dark nebula ? Did Allah not know this ? Was it a coincidence ? Is there even coincidence in the Word of Allah ?
- How do you explain the word radm ?
- How do you explain the sentence hata ida sawa bayna al sadafayni, which means until the lands/countries/planets came to the same level/came closer ?
THIS PROVES THAT YA'JUJ MA'JUJ ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL ! ALL HADITHS SAYING THAT THEY ARE TURKS OR MONGOLS OR HUNS ARE FALSE !
- How do you explain the word sabab, which means a celestial way ? How can it happen on Earth when Allah says 4 times that it happened in the sky/space ?
- How do you explain the setting of the sun in a murky spring ? Many Muslims, out of shame, avoid this problem by saying that it was the description of Dhul-Qarnayn's view: false ! It is Allah speaking! Unless this is a sentence like : He said : "I saw it setting in a murky spring", but this is not the case. You must understand that every word of the Quran was spoken by Allah, so the setting of the sun is said by Allah, therefore it cannot be Dhul-Qarnayn's view nor can it be a scientific error...
- How do you explain the fact that maghriba ash-shams in only present in this verse and that other verses only contain maghriba individually, and not followed by any other words ? This difference was made deliberately !
- How do you explain matlia ash-shams, only present in this verse, for all other verses about the setting of the sun mention machrika....
- How do you explain the absence of a gigantic iron wall on Earth ? That Ya'juj Ma'juj are stuck behind it (or underground even though the Quran says no such thing) for centuries now ? How did they survive underground ?
- How do you explain the fact that the definition of sudd fits completely the one of a dark nebula ? Did Allah not know this ? Was it a coincidence ? Is there even coincidence in the Word of Allah ?
- How do you explain the word radm ?
- How do you explain the sentence hata ida sawa bayna al sadafayni, which means until the lands/countries/planets came to the same level/came closer ?
THIS PROVES THAT YA'JUJ MA'JUJ ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL ! ALL HADITHS SAYING THAT THEY ARE TURKS OR MONGOLS OR HUNS ARE FALSE !
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Wrong translation of the quran ? What is the meaning of this verse?
« on: June 12, 2020, 05:01:29 PM »
Clearly, this verse cannot be about ships. The ''icebergs'' interpretation is pretty interesting. I don't speak arabic so I can't say much 
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Wrong translation of the quran ? What is the meaning of this verse?
« on: June 10, 2020, 11:48:22 AM »
But I don't understand, why ships ? Allah mentions them as a sign/favor but ships are made by men... They float on water because of men. Waves don't do anything. A ship float eitheir by its sails or by oars. There must be a reason why He calls them of one His favors. Everything belongs to Allah, of course, but why does He specifically mentions ships ?
the ships that sail through the sea, some of which are very large, looking like mountains What ? That makes no sense. Why are we comparing a sea to a mountain ? They have nothing in common... I really don't understand this verse because before that verse, Allah talks about the stars, the Sun and Moon, the trees, the fruits, the sky, the men and djinns and about how, when two different seas encounter each other, they don't get mixed and there is a barrier between them (all of them are natural things)... The barrier between the seas is actually a scientific fact. So there is a scientific miracle just before this verse that talks about a natural phenomenon, and all of the sudden, we're talking about ships that are on seas like mountains ? That makes no sense... There must be a greater sense to this verse. Ships cannot be a favor of God because they are made by men, they float because of men...
the ships that sail through the sea, some of which are very large, looking like mountains What ? That makes no sense. Why are we comparing a sea to a mountain ? They have nothing in common... I really don't understand this verse because before that verse, Allah talks about the stars, the Sun and Moon, the trees, the fruits, the sky, the men and djinns and about how, when two different seas encounter each other, they don't get mixed and there is a barrier between them (all of them are natural things)... The barrier between the seas is actually a scientific fact. So there is a scientific miracle just before this verse that talks about a natural phenomenon, and all of the sudden, we're talking about ships that are on seas like mountains ? That makes no sense... There must be a greater sense to this verse. Ships cannot be a favor of God because they are made by men, they float because of men...
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Wrong translation of the quran ? What is the meaning of this verse?
« on: June 09, 2020, 06:22:05 PM »
Salam, I don't speak arabic so this is why I want to ask a question (if someone will want to answer)
5.24 : And to Him belong the ships [with sails] elevated in the sea like mountains. (Sahih translation)
5.25 : So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?
What does it mean ? First of all, ships elevated like mountains ? That doesn't make sense. And second of all : Why are ships mentionned as a favor/sign of God ? They are just boats, made by men. They are not special... I don't think it's boats that Allah is talking about... I was intrigued by this and I've looked up about the word in arabic for ships which is?
The online definition/translation for that word is : neighborhood. I thought this might be the modern sense of the word, and that before, in the time of the revelation of the Quran, it meant ships. But no ! I only see neighborhood, district, ...
However, I have seen that the urdu definition of the word is : highwater, tide, ... And the word ''elevated'' is which means : to grow, to rise, to evolve, to arise, to florish... (https://www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/%D9%86%D8%B4%D8%A3/P) Doesn't it make more sense that Allah is talking about the tides that rises because of the moon's and the sun's attraction, instead of boats that are elevated like mountains or whatever that means ? Now, I know it is the urdu definition, this is why I ask to an arabic speaker if ? can mean tide instead of ship, because I cannot find the ''ship'' translation/definition anywhere...
5.24 : And to Him belong the ships [with sails] elevated in the sea like mountains. (Sahih translation)
5.25 : So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?
What does it mean ? First of all, ships elevated like mountains ? That doesn't make sense. And second of all : Why are ships mentionned as a favor/sign of God ? They are just boats, made by men. They are not special... I don't think it's boats that Allah is talking about... I was intrigued by this and I've looked up about the word in arabic for ships which is
?The online definition/translation for that word is : neighborhood. I thought this might be the modern sense of the word, and that before, in the time of the revelation of the Quran, it meant ships. But no ! I only see neighborhood, district, ...
However, I have seen that the urdu definition of the word is : highwater, tide, ... And the word ''elevated'' is
which means : to grow, to rise, to evolve, to arise, to florish... (https://www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/%D9%86%D8%B4%D8%A3/P) Doesn't it make more sense that Allah is talking about the tides that rises because of the moon's and the sun's attraction, instead of boats that are elevated like mountains or whatever that means ? Now, I know it is the urdu definition, this is why I ask to an arabic speaker if ? can mean tide instead of ship, because I cannot find the ''ship'' translation/definition anywhere...
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