There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an

[StardustyPsyche]

[StardustyPsyche]

[StardustyPsyche]

Brother Osama,
First, please allow me to apologize for the duplicate post.  I received several server error messages, possibly due to a problem on my end, and it seemed like my post did not go through the first time.

I have gone through a number of the links you provide (not all because there are links within links so following them all to their conclusion would take a great deal of time).

I just cannot find anything that is in any way indicative of miraculous origins.  I have education and experience in math and science.  I really enjoy math and I have a collection of calculus books I have read and worked from.  I opened up some scans that show your own application of numerology to the Qur'an.

I see the pictures of the nebulae, your citations about human development, and a number of other claims you make about miracles of science in the Qur'an.

They are all easily explained as either simple observations well within the capabilities of 7th century men, or a few general inferences lacking anything close to miraculous specificity, or numerological constructions well within the capacity of 7th century men to construct.  Do you have any specific citations of the Qur'an that are not of this kind?

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They are all easily explained as either simple observations well within the capabilities of 7th century men, or a few general inferences lacking anything close to miraculous specificity, or numerological constructions well within the capacity of 7th century men to construct.  Do you have any specific citations of the Qur'an that are not of this kind?

As'salamu Alaikum Stardusty,

You should step back a little bit and understand what Allah Almighty is telling you in the Glorious Quran.  Allah Almighty has responded to the likes of you in the Holy Book by giving you the Number 19 Miracle, especially that you exist today in the advanced computer age.  He, the Almighty Said in Noble Verses 74:30-37, that He based the Glorious Quran on the Number 19 Miracle for the following reasons:
   
(a)-  As a trial to the disbelievers.
(b)-  To help strengthen the Believers' faith more.
(c)-  To assure the disbelievers that Islam is Divine.
(d)-  Because it is one of the Greatest Signs and Miracles!


#5 is for you:

[074:030] Over it are Nineteen.

[074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY (1) as a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.

[074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,

[074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,

[074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-

[074:035] This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles).

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

[074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-

So my advise to you, as your fellow human is:

1-  To step back.
2-  Remove the arrogance of the atheists from you.  You're used to arguing against books that are corrupt and full of scientific blunders.
3-  See the Glorious Quran with a different lense and attitude.

This is a Divine Book from the True and Sovereign GOD Almighty of this Universe.  You are messing with your Salvation and you are messing with Fire.  You said you were 68 years old.  This means you have passed the age 40, which is the Age of Wisdom:

www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm

We've given you the STUNNING NUMERICAL MIRACLES of the Glorious Quran, and we've given you STUNNING PROPHECIES, and we've given you STUNNING Scientific Miracles.  You dismissed all of them as nothing.  I hope you see the Message of Allah Almighty for you in Noble Verses 74:30-37, above.  And again, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

I hope this helps, Stardusty.  Feel free to always share your thoughts.  I just hope that you change your attitude towards the Glorious Quran, because BELIEVE YOU ME, it is not a mere book.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Brother Hamza has some things to say.  I found this by following your links 

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/

Peace Bro

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Brother Hamza has some things to say.  I found this by following your links 

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/

Peace Bro

Thank you for the link, Stardusty, but it really doesn't refute a thing.  The brother said that he is uncertain about the Scientific Miracles, and also said that a growing number of Scholars and Academics are embracing this School; the school of the Glorious Quran does have ample and STUNNING Scientific Miracles in It.  So really, he has not refuted anything here.  And the growing number of scholars and academics adopting this school should give you a clear indication that there is something serious and real in the Holy Quran.

Furthermore, brother Hamza did not AT ALL address any of the Numerical Miracles, nor did he address the Number 19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty Said it is one of the GREATEST MIRACLES IN THE HOLY QURAN.  I already quoted that above.



Allah Almighty talked about the Scientific Miracles:

Also, and again, Allah Almighty left it for us, the Muslims and people in general who live in the Advanced Ages such as ours today, to discover the Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles today under our advanced computer technology where we can do split second searches, counts and analysis.  Allah Almighty did Promise:

"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

"...that it is the truth..." refers to the Glorious Quran being proven to be the Truth through the Scientific Signs that Allah Almighty will reveal in the Universe and in our Physiology, Biology and Embryology, and in the Numerical Miracles that all will prove that the Quran is indeed from our Creator, the Almighty.

Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links



Why not?

Why shouldn't Noble Verse 41:53 be considered a Divine Promise and Prophecy being fulfilled by Allah Almighty, Stardusty?  Why must every STUNNING Miracle and Prophecy be rejected according to you?  If the era of unveiling the Glorious Quran's Miracles, which we call today Scientific and Numerical Miracles, has begun, then why must you resist it and reject it as the infidels of old resisted and rejected the clear and evident and indisputable Truth and Signs and Miracles of Allah Almighty and his Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon all of them?  And worse, they even killed His Prophets and Messengers, and burned His Books.  And they called GOD Almighty's Miracles sorcery, magic, and lies.

I am telling you, Stardusty, Heaven and Hell are real!  The Glorious Quran tells us this.  And you are shipping yourself to the Doom of Hell with your stubbornness and blasphemies, by rejecting GOD Almighty, rejecting the Holy Quran, and rejecting Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

Yes, Heaven and Hell are VERY REAL!  Just like earth's pleasure, happiness, joy, pain, agony, bliss and fire are also real.  Heaven and Hell are real.  Why can't life be a little preview and/or demo for you and me by Allah Almighty about what to expect in the GRAND LIFE in the Day of Judgment?  Why must you chose the Doom of Hell when you have the Bliss of Heaven?  And this is no corrupt Bible or any other corrupt book claim.  The Glorious Quran has proven Itself over and over and over again to be the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty.  Allah Almighty called the Glorious Quran the Book that is "Muhaymin" (??, "Has all Authority above all") above all books.  See Noble Verse 5:48.  So why not accept It?  Why must you be on the side of the infidels?

Regarding the Holy Quran's Authority, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,

May Allah Almighty bless you.  But brother, as I requested before, please do not post the DNA and RNA stuff here, or any related nonsense here.  Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. Same with with RNA and NTRA and all other nonsense that you posted.  And I told you also that using this method, we can also extract the F*** word and any word we like!

Please do not spam this board with this nonsense, akhi.  And worse, please do not make a mockery out of the Holy Quran's Scientific and Numerical Miracles, akhi.  I already made this request before, dear brother, and removed these posts before.

Please present your case here as to why they should be allowed.  Let's discuss it here in the open.  Show me where I am going wrong, please.  Don't just impose them on us like this.

Either way, may Allah Almighty bless you for your efforts and sincerity.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Dawud]

As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,

May Allah Almighty bless you.  But brother, as I requested before, please do not post the DNA and RNA stuff here, or any related nonsense here.  Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. Same with with RNA and NTRA and all other nonsense that you posted.  And I told you also that using this method, we can also extract the F*** word and any word we like!

Please do not spam this board with this nonsense, akhi.  And worse, please do not make a mockery out of the Holy Quran's Scientific and Numerical Miracles, akhi.  I already made this request before, dear brother, and removed these posts before.

Please present your case here as to why they should be allowed.  Let's discuss it here in the open.  Show me where I am going wrong, please.  Don't just impose them on us like this.

Either way, may Allah Almighty bless you for your efforts and sincerity.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

i will explain why you are wrong

you say

"Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. "


if Allah use DNA separated from existing words that would be weakness in the quran beacuse imagine words wich nobody would understand 1400 years taking valuable place in the quran, that would not be logical

so instead doing that, by using letters DNA incorpaorated in existing words is actually double information in same text, wich is for me is clear evidence that the text is divine.


imagine if i knew future and i want to give people proof that this is my book, so i give an example from ancient times about a good woman called Edna

beacuse i know future when science of DNA will be officially started, i put name of Edna 3 times wich is most in entire book

18:65 There was a good relgious woman called Edna, Edna helped poor people and relatives wich cause many people to follow Edna as good example in this life.

every body can understand simple text, both old and new generations, everybody, and i choose to use Edna name exactly at precise position in my book so it correspond to the year when science of DNA/genetics will be started

beacuse nowhere else out of 6236 verses are letters next to each other 3 times except in that verse 18:65 ---> wich correspond to the year 1865 when DNA science started.

same method is with Neutron (NTRN), by using existing words where consonant letters for neutron is used is only in verse 18:39, AND NOWHERE ELSE IN THE QURAN. Neutron is 1,839 times heavier than electron, how can it be so, tell me out of 6236 verses only in that verse wich corresponds to its weight.

same it is with other examples. I call this double information in same text, only God can do something like this, there is no doubt in my mind that these examples are real, and no coincidences, beacuse there is no coincidence with God beacuse God knows everything that is why coincidence dont happen in his creation or his decisions.

i have explained why you are wrong on this matter, now explain to me why i am wrong here. By the why brother Osama did you read my other topic about Iron core miracle with 5100km=5100 verses ?

I have studied and analysed quranic miracles for 3 years now. by the way, when you give that odd and even example with chapter and verse numbers you should always mention golden ratio in that example between repretative and non-repetetive numbers.

[Dawud]

One more thing we cant extract f*** word since it is not enough that letters are in correct order next to eachother beacuse you need also other evidence wich suport it

For example dna is not enough if it was not mentioned in verse 18:65 , year 1865
Neutron ntrn is not enough if it was not mentioned 18:39, heavier 1,839 times than an electron
Venus and its inclination number verse 17:7, venus inclination 177 degrees
Halley comet(kewkab) astronomical object in verse 76, it takes 76 years for that comet to orbit the sun
Kaba mentioned first time in verse 2:125, kaba has lattitude 21 degrees 25 minutes
Raising to high place only in verse 19:57, first time in human history human raised an objectso high, sputnik satelit was launched year 1957
 
Do you really think tvat all these examples are coincidences?

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