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Here, it is in the mostly accurate translation

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Isaiah 49
Isaiah 48Isaiah 50

Isaiah 49King James Version (KJV)

49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.

14 But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.

15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

17 Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee.

18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the Lord, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

19 For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away.

20 The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell.

21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

22 Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25 But thus saith the Lord, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

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Also the meaning of this verse
2:7) Allah has sealed their hearts10 and their hearing, and a covering has fallen over their eyes. They deserve severe chastisement.

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Isaiah 49 is about prophet Isaiah whom was given the message about light of gentiles that will redeem the world.

And upon the arrival of the light of gentiles whom they taught should be from among themselves. Israelites will be surprised at it thus they will be unsatisfied to Yhwh as in Isaiah 49:14.

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As for Hellenistic Christianity, Paul believed he was the light to gentiles.



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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

hold on brothers, the passage of Isaiah 49 refers neither to Jesus (pbuh), nor to Isaiah (pbuh), and even not to Israel/Jacob! There is only one servant mentioned in the Book of Isaiah, through the chapters 40-55 who is the light for the gentiles. This is the same person mentioned in Isaiah 42, and this is prophet Muhammad (pbuh), I have no doubt. I really don't have much time to show you now, but insha'Allah I will send to brother Osama some fragments of my work, so it can be viewed soon I hope.

Take care,
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Welcome back dear brother Idris.  Insha'Allah, everything had been well for you and your family.  Ameen.

In regards to the Light of the Gentiles, it is important that we see it from the broader context to see exactly who it is referring to in the Old Testament.  The following points should help, Insha'Allah.  As you read my Old Testament analysis below, please keep the following NT verses in mind:

1-  John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet“.

2-  John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet’s bloodline was NOT mentioned, despite the fact that the Prophet was mentioned.  He was a foreigner.



(a)- The Arabian Prophet from the EAST:

1-  Isaiah 41:1  Let the people of the world have a fresh heart.

2-  Isaiah 41:2  A servant coming from the EAST.

The Ishmaelites WERE called the EAST: Genesis 16:11-13, Judges 7:12, Book of Jubilees 20:13.

3-  Isaiah 41:3  He shall rout the disbelievers in battle (put them to the sword).

4-  Isaiah 41:8-13  GOD Almighty assures the House of Jacob that they are still loved and chosen by GOD Almighty.  “Do not be afraid (of this Servant).”

GOD Almighty never called unto all Jews as “The House of Jacob”, a comprehensive name, to follow any Jewish Prophet.  It was always a given. This is another clear-cut proof that this Servant is a non-Jew.  The Bible also clearly says that he is an Ishmaelite.

5-  Isaiah 41:18  The desert (i.e., Arabia) will be blessed with lots of pools of fresh water, and running streams, and green.

6-  Isaiah 41:25 Contemporary English Version (CEV) 25 I, the Lord, appointed a ruler in the north (Madina is north of Mecca); now he comes from the EAST to honor my name. He tramples kings like mud, as potters trample clay.

FOOTNOTE (Knox Bible) Isaias 41:25 There is the same uncertainty here about the person alluded to, as in verse 2 above.
 They say they’re not sure who that Servant from the EAST is!  This is further proof that Christ does not fit the description.

7-  Isaiah 41:27  This is good news to Jerusalem:

Quran 7:157  (My mercy is for) those who follow the messenger, the prophet who can neither read nor write. They will find him mentioned in their scriptures, the Torah and the gospels. He orders them to do the right thing, and to avoid the wrong. He makes the pure and the wholesome lawful for them, and he forbids them the foul and the filthy. He relieves them of the burdens and the shackles with which they were bogged down. Successful indeed, are those who believe in him, honor and help him, and follow the light (the Qur’an) that was revealed to him.

8-  Isaiah 42:1  And now, here is my servant, to whom I grant protection, the man of my choice, greatly beloved. My spirit rests upon him, and he will proclaim right order among the Gentiles.

9-  Isaiah 42:3  … he will establish right order unfailingly.

10- Isaiah 42:4 ... (He has a message of Peace for Mankind).  He has a law to give; in the far-off lands men wait for it eagerly....

Indeed, the deteriorating world is in a DESPERATE NEED FOR ISLAM!

11- Isaiah 42:6  The Servant will bring a (new) Covenant to GOD Almighty’s people, and he will be a Light to the Gentiles.

12- Isaiah 42:9  ….more Prophecies about this Servant and Covenant are yet to come.

13- Isaiah 42:10  Sing the Lord a new song; let his praise sound from end to end of the earth. Song here means a New Revelation from GOD Almighty, i.e., the Glorious Quran.

14- Isaiah 42:11
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the towns that [a] Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rocks sing: let them shout from the top of the mountains.    

Footnote: Isaiah 42:11 Meaning, the Arabians, under whom he comprehendeth all the people of the East.


15- Isaiah 42:12  Let them (the Arabs) give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise..

16- Isaiah 42:13  The Servant shall go forth as a giant; he shall stir up his courage like a man of war: he shall shout and cry, and shall prevail against his enemies.

17- Isaiah 42:18-23  Israel is called the blind and deaf servant who received MANY PROPHETS, but heard not.  Verse 21 further says: “It was ever the Lord’s will to sanctify him (the servant Israel); so great, so glorious the law (the Law of Moses) he gave him;”    

So the “Sing the Lord a new song (Isaiah 42:10)” is a THE NEW LAW, Islam, which will come from Arabia, the East, the lands of Kedar.   

18- Furthermore, Isaiah 42:23 calls on to the Jews to LISTEN TO THIS NEW PROPHECY about the New Servant from Arabia: “Which of you will listen to this, and mark it, and give a hearing to the prophecy?”


For ample more details and proofs, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm





(b)- Deuteronomy 18:18 was about Prophet Muhammad:

Before we analyze Deuteronomy 18, I would like you to keep in mind the following important Prophecy, THAT ONLY ISLAM FULFILLED[/b], in Deuteronomy:


Moses, peace be upon him, prophesied about a future Prophet leading an army of 10,000 Believers: Deuteronomy 33:1-5:
 
Deuteronomy 33:1-2
1 Now this is the blessing with which Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
2 And he said: “The Lord came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And He came with ten thousands of saints; From His right hand Came a fiery law for them.



The Jews already had the Law of Moses with them.  So what is this new Law that GOD Almighty will send?  Yet Deuteronomy 33:1-2, speak about a future Law coming from GOD Almighty.  The Muslims liberated Mecca and they were 10,000 Believers of Allah Almighty.  The New Testament further renews this Prophecy by prophesying it.  So this Prophecy WAS NEVER FULFILLED in the Old Testament:

Jude 1:14-15
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, ALSO PROPHESIED about these men, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”


The ONLY WAR that ever took place in all of the Abrahamic Religions’ history that involved precisely an army of 10,000 Believers was the battle of Mecca’s liberation by Prophet Muhammad and his men.  Again, the Muslims liberated Mecca and they were 10,000 Believers.  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/10000.htm




Sam Shamoun spun 10,000 to 12,000:

Again, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/10000.htm.  See the quotes that thoroughly expose his lie, and show how he twisted his very own quotes that he quoted.

From  www.thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2013/07/10000-or-12000-liberated-mecca-with.html:

Note:  The  foul-mouthed Sam Shamoun quoted the 12,000 fighters that fought the tribe of HAWAZIN, two weeks after the liberation of Mecca.  His misquoted it and spun it to say that Mecca was liberated by 12,000 when his own quote says the Prophet marched to Hawazin with 2,000 Meccans in addition to the 10,000 Believers who liberated Mecca:

"Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Ibn Ishaq- 'Abdallah b. Abi Bakr: The Messenger MARCHED with 2,000 Meccans and 10,000 of his companions [who had marched with him and] WITH WHOSE HELP GOD HAD FACILITATED THE CONQUEST OF MECCA. THUS THERE WERE 12,000 IN ALL. The Messenger of God placed 'Attab b. Asid b. Abi al-'As b. Umayyah b. 'Abd Shams in charge of Mecca [to look after] the men who stayed behind while he proceeded to confront Hawazin." (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, p. 8; bold emphasis ours)"   (Source: www.thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2013/07/10000-or-12000-liberated-mecca-with.html)

Here is a quote from Wikipedia:

"...Muhammad, however, uncovered their intentions through his own spies in the camp of the Hawazin, and marched against the Hawazin just two weeks after the conquest of Mecca with a force of 12,000 men."  (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_after_the_occupation_of_Mecca)

So the doomed-to-Hell polytheist trinitarian pagan and infidel is either a liar or ignorant.  A lot more references are posted in the link above: www.answering-christianity.com/10000.htm.
 


Deuteronomy 18:18, one Prophet will be sent from the Jews' cousins who will be the final Messenger.  The word "awkh" means both brother and cousin, in Hebrew.  The verse doesn’t say the Prophet will come from YOU!  It says from your cousins.

In Deuteronomy 2:4, 8, "awkh" was used for the Edomites (Arabs, Ishmaelites) in relation to the Jews.

Also in Obadiah 1:8-13, Edom (Arabs) is called Jacob’s brother in verses 10 and 12.

Note: Many Jewish Prophets, LIKE MOSES, came after Moses.  Prophet Muhammad was an Ishmaelite Prophet that came from the Jews’ brothers.

And if it must mean that Deuteronomy 18:18 must refer to Christ, who came 1000s of years after Moses, then why can't it be about Muhammad, who also came thousands of years after Moses?  After all, both Muhammad and Moses received the AL-THIKR (the Law).  The entire Bible is built on the Law of Moses, and Islam is built on the Law of the Quran.  See Quran 21:48, 21:105, 37:114-122.    

Furthermore, Moses was called the Mustafa (Chosen One for the Law), and Muhammad too was called that as well.  See Quran 7:144.    
Moses also was the Imam (leader) who lead his people.  Muhammad too was that as well: Quran 11:17.  Moses received the DETAILED SCRIPTURES AND RELIGION, and so did Muhammad: Quran 6:154, 23:49.



(c)- Remember This:

Let us remember that in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews:

"So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43).

Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews.  Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews.  And the "Kingdom of God" here means THE COVENANT & RELIGION OF GOD on earth to the new nation.

Again, for ample more details and proofs, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm



The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing on Islam.  Islam is the Divine Truth from GOD Almighty.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah