True Story of Dhul-Qarnayn - MIRACLE OF QU'RAN (READ !)

[murataydin]

[?????? ????????? Holy Spi]

Wow that is very interesting. This should be posted to these website's articles.

[murataydin]

IV) If you still think that Dhul-Qarnayn's story happened on Earth ?

- How do you explain the word sabab, which means a celestial way ? How can it happen on Earth when Allah says 4 times that it happened in the sky/space ?
- How do you explain the setting of the sun in a murky spring ? Many Muslims, out of shame, avoid this problem by saying that it was the description of Dhul-Qarnayn's view: false ! It is Allah speaking! Unless this is a sentence like : He said : "I saw it setting in a murky spring", but this is not the case. You must understand that every word of the Quran was spoken by Allah, so the setting of the sun is said by Allah, therefore it cannot be Dhul-Qarnayn's view nor can it be a scientific error...
- How do you explain the fact that maghriba ash-shams in only present in this verse and that other verses only contain maghriba individually, and not followed by any other words ? This difference was made deliberately !
- How do you explain matlia ash-shams, only present in this verse, for all other verses about the setting of the sun mention machrika....
- How do you explain the absence of a gigantic iron wall on Earth ? That Ya'juj Ma'juj are stuck behind it (or underground even though the Quran says no such thing) for centuries now ? How did they survive underground ?
- How do you explain the fact that the definition of sudd fits completely the one of a dark nebula ? Did Allah not know this ? Was it a coincidence ? Is there even coincidence in the Word of Allah ?
- How do you explain the word radm ?
- How do you explain the sentence hata ida sawa bayna al sadafayni, which means until the lands/countries/planets came to the same level/came closer ?
THIS PROVES THAT YA'JUJ MA'JUJ ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL ! ALL HADITHS SAYING THAT THEY ARE TURKS OR MONGOLS OR HUNS ARE FALSE !

[?????? ????????? Holy Spi]

Yeah that's true. Many Muslims not just believe that the sun set in a murky spring in??? ? view but some Muslims believe in the absurd claim that the sun literally sets in a murky spring on Earth!

[mclinkin94]

Actually, you make a good point about black holes.

"spring of murky water" aynin ?ami-atin--as you said Aynin also means "eye". So it could be translated as "the sun setting in the eye of murky water".

Black holes actually bend light around them. So it is rather murky around the black hole, and the "eye" of the black hole is pitch black. Just one correction to what you posted: black holes are actually really cold (not hot)--almost at a temperature of absolute zero.

Here is an article about how black holes bend light.

https://www.stsci.edu/~marel/black_holes/encyc_mod3_q11.html#:~:text=Light%20rays%20that%20pass%20close,by%20the%20black%20hole's%20gravity.&text=This%20is%20called%20gravitational%20lensing.

"Therefore, the region around the black hole is a dark disk. Light rays that pass a little further away don't get caught but do get bent by the black hole's gravity. This makes the starfield appear distorted. This is called gravitational lensing"

Good find. I appreciate alternative interpretations especially since the Quran states that there will be instances where the interpretation is unspecific (3:7, 2:26) and Allah has deliberately put them in the Quran.

[mclinkin94]

Just one correction to what you posted: black holes are actually really cold (not hot)--almost at a temperature of absolute zero.

Actually, let me correct my own saying. Black holes are freezing cold on the inside, but incredibly hot just outside on its surface.

[mclinkin94]

So that is, the muddy water surrounding the black hole would be hot, but the eye/center of the muddy water would be ridiculously cold.

Also note, in Arabic, "mai" ? does not necessarily mean "water", it means "a flowing substance". Oil would be considered "mai" in classical arabic even though it is not H2O. The best translation of "mai" is "fluid" not "H2O". Matter actually becomes fluid like around a black hole, light itself bends while it is overcome by the black hole's gravity. So the area around the black hole actually resembles murky fluid/water.

It is also important to recognize that Quran 18-86 is talking about Dul Quarnain's perceptions!

[Quran 18-86)  He found it [Arabic: wajadaha = perceived it] setting in the eye of murky fluid.

So again, it is important in recognizing this verse is describing his perception of the black hole as appearing like murky waters.

In fact, here's a study explaining how black holes resemble lumps of liquid:

[/url] https://arxiv.org/abs/0811.2381 [/url] "The old suggestive observation that black holes often resemble lumps of fluid has recently been taken beyond the level of an analogy to a precise duality"

But it is important to note, that it doesn't matter if scientists agree that black holes resemble lumps of fluid. Black holes objectively bend light around them making the view of light around the black holes "murky" and as such it resembles liquid or murky water.

Also notice how the Quran uses the word "murky" water, murky means dirty/dark water. Black holes are literally dark and as you approach them light is overcome by their gravity and gradually becomes dark.

[murataydin]

Yes very interesting Mclinkin94! Hami'atin and hamiyyatin are both correct in describing the black hole. But I would like to come back to 2 statements of yours, when you said you liked this "alternative interpretation" because I think this is the only interpretation possible. There is no way this story could have happened on Earth considering the word sabab which literally refers to something that ascends to the sky, to space. So there's no way this was on Earth, because Allah wouldn't have used sabab if it was the case. The second sentence is when you said this is Dhul-Qarnayn's perception: yes but no. Muslims think that the "sun setting in a murky spring" means he thought that the sun was setting in a murky spring, because it was how he perceived it. But here, it is Allah speaking. The sentence is not : Dhul-Qarnayn said : I have found the sun setting in a murky spring!". It is Allah describing what Dhul-Qarnayn saw therefore it cannot be a metaphorical or subjective. It must be a scientific fact, so this clearly refutates the interpretation that the "setting on a murky spring" is supposed to be interpreted metaphorically.
I don't know if I made myself clear : what I mean is that since Allah is describing what Dhul-Qarnayn sees, the "murky spring" must a fact and not a metaphorical or subjective view... This is how we must interpret the "setting of the sun in a murky spring" literaly!

[mclinkin94]

Yes very interesting Mclinkin94! Hami'atin and hamiyyatin are both correct in describing the black hole. But I would like to come back to 2 statements of yours, when you said you liked this "alternative interpretation" because I think this is the only interpretation possible. There is no way this story could have happened on Earth considering the word sabab which literally refers to something that ascends to the sky, to space. So there's no way this was on Earth, because Allah wouldn't have used sabab if it was the case. The second sentence is when you said this is Dhul-Qarnayn's perception: yes but no. Muslims think that the "sun setting in a murky spring" means he thought that the sun was setting in a murky spring, because it was how he perceived it. But here, it is Allah speaking. The sentence is not : Dhul-Qarnayn said : I have found the sun setting in a murky spring!". It is Allah describing what Dhul-Qarnayn saw therefore it cannot be a metaphorical or subjective. It must be a scientific fact, so this clearly refutates the interpretation that the "setting on a murky spring" is supposed to be interpreted metaphorically.
I don't know if I made myself clear : what I mean is that since Allah is describing what Dhul-Qarnayn sees, the "murky spring" must a fact and not a metaphorical or subjective view... This is how we must interpret the "setting of the sun in a murky spring" literaly!

I think you make good points overall.

However, I want to say that the Quran said "HE" (Dhul Qarnayn) saw/perceived it setting on black fluid. I want to say that BOTH are possible. It is possible that Dhul Qarnayn perceived the right thing (as you say), and it is also possible that Dhul Qarnayn perceived it as if it had been setting on black water. Both are perfectly fine and do not challenge your argument in any way. So its all good.  Having flexibility in interpretation is not a weakness, it is a strength of the Quran

In fact, the study I showed you admitted that scientists say they see black holes as looking like a lump of fluid!!

[/url] https://arxiv.org/abs/0811.2381 [/url] "The old suggestive observation that black holes often resemble lumps of fluid has recently been taken beyond the level of an analogy to a precise duality"

You presented a good find. Please keep up the good work.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Jazaka Allah Khayr for the research brother.  I haven't studied it yet, but I have uploaded your images to the website to permanently preserve them.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah