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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2016, 04:15:53 am »
your Dahaha HOAX section doesn't prove anything because it has been totally refuted ;) do you mean the verses say the Earth is flat???

 My Dahaha HOAX section was a rebuttal to Osama Abdallah's so called rebuttal to my refutation of his Dahaha lie. Show me were it has been refuted? Like I said before, all you can do is say this:

"This doesn't matter because it has been refuted"

 You did that to Hamza Tzortis and I am waiting for you to show me the rebuttal to Hamza's article regarding the scientific miracles. Or did you lie on purpose? Now you do the same thing for my statements over here. To you this line ("This has been refuted") is enough to refute the actual claim itself. Or you know what? Why am I even writing this? I could just say this to you and end it all:

 Your rebuttal (which doesn't exist BTW) to my Dahaha HOAX section doesn't prove anything because it has been totally refuted ;)

 How does it feel to have your own medicine used against you brother? As for your question, no. The Quran doesn't say that the Earth is flat and it even might support the roundness of the Earth. There is a verse in the Quran which many scholars like Ibn Hazm use to prove the roundness of the Earth. When the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye. It was made to look flat but its still round. This is the opinion of almost all scholars with the exception of Al-Jalalayn and their tafsir is quite not reliable. And with all of that it is still not a "scientific miracle" because the concept of a round Earth dates back to the 6th century. [1]

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[1]:  Dicks, D.R. (1970). Early Greek Astronomy to Aristotle. Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press. pp. 72–198. ISBN 978-0-8014-0561-7.

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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2016, 04:32:47 am »
refuted by brother Osama in the article about scientific miracles itself ;)

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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2016, 04:41:11 am »
i want you to explain what you think dahaha means because you haven't explained it in your DAHAHA HOAX section, no it is a miracle because people at the time in mecca thought the earth was flat, btw your explanation of flatness is extremely unhelpful and doesn't make any sense...."when the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye" that makes absolutely no sense. the arabic word is SUTIHAT meaning pressed and expanded not flattened. Brother Osama explained this already http://www.answering-christianity.com/sutihat_miracle.htm

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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2016, 04:46:15 am »
Why would i lie to you? if something is refuted then i'd tell you it's refuted, if something isn't refuted then i wouldn't say it's refuted, brother Osama just refuted Hamza again...Hamza isn't an arab and he's trying to interpret the Qur'an using translations so there's all the proof to make me stay away from such a person

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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2016, 04:46:58 am »
explain to me what DAHAHA means according to you then i'll show you the refutation

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2016, 04:55:24 am »
Also in other threads or topics you keep telling people who ask questions to shut up, who are you to say that? they can ask as many questions as they like and if you don't like it DON'T ANSWER. simple as that, are you trying to terrify them and stop them from asking questions? they have doubts or waswas about something and you want them to stay like that? your attitude towards people is atrocious.

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2016, 05:33:40 am »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,


Another STUNNING Miracle discovered!


Quite amazingly, the youtube video that Abdullah Almadi gave me that supposedly refutes my points on DAHAHA (earth spread out spherically), has further proven my points and has given me a new Scientific point that I overlooked.  Here are the details:



1-  The youtube video is located here:  https://youtu.be/5D4ChAnqkxU.

2-  My detailed proofs about the earth spread out spherically are listed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2243.msg10156.html#msg10156
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136






3-  Now, in the youtube video, we find the following:



The Noble Verses are listed exactly after each and they say in Noble Verses 79:30-32

And the earth after that He has spherically expanded
Brought forth from it its water and pasture
and the MOUNTAINS HE SET FIRMLY.


Indeed, scientists have proven that:

1-  The earth has spherically expanded.

2-  The earth produced its water and pasture on a large scale as a result.  I have posted a Scientific Video from History Channel proving this:





3-  The mountains due to this expansion were formed; due to the plate tectonics movements, which caused for land to be pushed on top of each other, which formed mountains and hills.  You can learn about this at:

https://www.google.com/#q=mountains+formed+through+plate+tectonics

Read all of the details at my article:






But Prophet Muhammad didn't interpret them like this:

I get this lame argument a lot.  But Prophet Muhammad himself admitted, and Allah Almighty thoroughly confirmed that the Prophet couldn't interpret much of the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm

So this lame argument that if it's not in the Hadiths (sayings) of the Prophet, then we don't accept it fails.



So Abdullah Almadi, like the infidels' stubborness, the more you fight the Glorious Quran, the more you prove it.

More to come on your other nonsense, insha'Allah.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2016, 03:42:46 am »
i want you to explain what you think dahaha means because you haven't explained it in your DAHAHA HOAX section, no it is a miracle because people at the time in mecca thought the earth was flat, btw your explanation of flatness is extremely unhelpful and doesn't make any sense...."when the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye" that makes absolutely no sense. the arabic word is SUTIHAT meaning pressed and expanded not flattened. Brother Osama explained this already http://www.answering-christianity.com/sutihat_miracle.htm


 Your attempt to save the lie of the "scientific miracles" which many scholars have forbid because of its harmfulness to Islam and Muslims (Ramihs and I are an example of that) is horrible. You make a similar claim that I have refuted already:

 "So for example if the Quran says that the sea is blue. Is that a "miracle"? Because I could argue that the prophet (peace be upon him) never saw any sea and that no information about the color of the sea reached him. BTW I know that the color of the sea is reflected so no need to tell me. Your claim is similar to a claim that Brother Hamza Tzortis has dealt with. Read his second point over here:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/ "


 This paragraph from the essay simply DESTROYS your point:

"It is important to note that 7th Century Arabian economic life was based around trade and commerce. Travelling as far as the Far East was a common occurrence. Therefore, it is not impossible that there was an exchange of popular scientific practices and ideas. The historian Ira M. Lapidus in his book, A History of Islamic Societies, clearly states that the Arabs in Mecca were established traders travelling far and wide:

“By the mid-sixth century, as heir to Petra and Palmyra, Mecca became one of the important caravan cities of the Middle East. The Meccans carried spices, leather, drugs, cloth and slaves which had come from Africa or the Far East to Syria, and returned money, weapons, cereals, and wine to Arabia.”[31]

Therefore, in the view of a skeptic or seeker of truth, the assertion that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) could not have accessed knowledge that was implied by the Qur’ānic verses is false. This is due to the fact that the probability of Prophet (upon whom be peace) exchanging ideas and practices with other cultures is higher than the probability of the Prophet (upon whom be peace) not accessing such knowledge. Therefore a new approach is needed to overcome to this intellectual obstacle, something which I will address later."

 I suggest that you stop trying to defend this corruption and sin. It brought almost no good and a lot of bad to Muslims sadly. And as I have said above, Ramihs and I are an example of that.


refuted by brother Osama in the article about scientific miracles itself ;)

 Are you by any chance a troll? I will not show the stupidity and fallacy of this phrase anymore. Instead, I would like to ask you where did Osama refute my claims in his "scientific miracles" section? Quote me a passage from his section that refutes my arguments. You are becoming like Osama, you think that your website is perfect and whenever someone refutes your material you give them the refuted material again claiming that the rebuttal was refuted inside the link!

explain to me what DAHAHA means according to you then i'll show you the refutation

 Dahaha according to ALL translators (people professional in Arabic!) means the following:

YUSUF ALI
And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);

SHAKIR
And the earth, He expanded it after that.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And after that He spread the earth.

MUHSIN KHAN
And after that He spread the earth;

DR. GHALI
And the earth, after that He flattened it (for life).

PICKTHALL
And after that He spread the earth,


 If you want more translators then I will be pleased to give you them. Even if Dahaha means round or egg-shaped, I had already dealt with that both, scientifically and grammatically. And NONE of the tafsirs say that Dahaha means made it round! Even though all of them agree on the roundness of the Earth. They even used other verses from the Quran. But why didn't they use the Dahaha verse? However, their is an exception! A person whom Osama has great respect for his work! Rashad Khalifah! A person who claimed that he was a prophet from Allah and he translated Dahaha to mean "made it round". But then Osama mocks and insults the Salafis who fight against these false prophets and lies! Weird, isn't it? And then he calls them the "horn of Satan" even though they fight against innovation and false prophets. Don't worry about that, I will talk about ALL of that later on. What you are doing by changing the meaning of Dahaha is changing the word of Allah.

 
Why would i lie to you? if something is refuted then i'd tell you it's refuted, if something isn't refuted then i wouldn't say it's refuted, brother Osama just refuted Hamza again...Hamza isn't an arab and he's trying to interpret the Qur'an using translations so there's all the proof to make me stay away from such a person

 Is this Osama's GREAT rebuttal to Hamza Tzortis? How do we know that Hamza doesn't know Arabic in the first place? Just because he is Greek that doesn't make him not able to speak Arabic. Second, Hamza's rebuttals to this scientific miracles aren't even language related! He uses the same translations that Osama uses. Third, the Arabic which we speak nowadays is NOT the original Arabic of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)! It is quite different. Although it is the same in many cases it still has changed so much! And Osama is Palestinian and I am a Saudi. And clearly the Saudi accent (Najdi accent) is closer to original Arabic than Osama's Palestinian accent! So I speak Arabic better than Osama does! So as an Arab, Hamza's material is perfect and there is nothing wrong with it. DONE! What kind of stupid excuse is this? He refuted the "miracles" historically not with language LOL! It doesn't matter where he comes from. Are you an Arab in the first place Omar Ahmed?

Also in other threads or topics you keep telling people who ask questions to shut up, who are you to say that? they can ask as many questions as they like and if you don't like it DON'T ANSWER. simple as that, are you trying to terrify them and stop them from asking questions? they have doubts or waswas about something and you want them to stay like that? your attitude towards people is atrocious.
 


 Can you PLEASE STOP LYING! You first lie and insult Hamza Tzortis and now me? You do know that lying is a sin, right? Why lie? What is the point of lying? Seriously! I NEVER told anyone to shut up! I only told Ramihs to stop asking many questions because of 2 things:

1- Asking too many questions was a trait hated by the prophet (peace be upon him)
2- It causes him many doubts which might weaken his faith

Rami asks to many questions to the point of it being worrying. Everyone has the right to ask questions, however Rami is an other case. Ibn Taymiyah once said that one shouldn't let his heart be a sponge for questions because that is harmful. YOUR attitude towards people is DECEPTIVE and ATROCIOUS! I have had enough of your lies brother, seriously! STOP IT!


You seem to be following Osama blindly. If it is forbidden to follow the best of scholars blindly then how about Osama Abdallah?





As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,


Another STUNNING Miracle discovered!


Quite amazingly, the youtube video that Abdullah Almadi gave me that supposedly refutes my points on DAHAHA (earth spread out spherically), has further proven my points and has given me a new Scientific point that I overlooked.  Here are the details:



1-  The youtube video is located here:  https://youtu.be/5D4ChAnqkxU.

2-  My detailed proofs about the earth spread out spherically are listed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2243.msg10156.html#msg10156
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136






3-  Now, in the youtube video, we find the following:



The Noble Verses are listed exactly after each and they say in Noble Verses 79:30-32

And the earth after that He has spherically expanded
Brought forth from it its water and pasture
and the MOUNTAINS HE SET FIRMLY.


Indeed, scientists have proven that:

1-  The earth has spherically expanded.

2-  The earth produced its water and pasture on a large scale as a result.  I have posted a Scientific Video from History Channel proving this:





3-  The mountains due to this expansion were formed; due to the plate tectonics movements, which caused for land to be pushed on top of each other, which formed mountains and hills.  You can learn about this at:

https://www.google.com/#q=mountains+formed+through+plate+tectonics

Read all of the details at my article:





So Abdullah Almadi, like the infidels' stubborness, the more you fight the Glorious Quran, the more you prove it.

More to come on your other nonsense, insha'Allah.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


 By Allah I knew that this was gonna happen! Instead of dealing with the material that I wrote Osama will advertise his "scientific miracles" again. Osama, refute the material that I wrote THEN you can show us your GLORIOUS, AMAZING, and STUNNING scientific miracles. Now please get on topic. You were accusing me of "running away" before, but what happened to that tough talk now Osama? By Allah there is no one attacking the Holy and Noble Quran besides you and your "scientific miracles" friends. It is harmful to Muslims and Islam. And I am not going to repeat that again!

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2016, 05:35:30 am »
Therefore, in the view of a skeptic or seeker of truth, the assertion that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) could not have accessed knowledge that was implied by the Qur’ānic verses is false. This is due to the fact that the probability of Prophet (upon whom be peace) exchanging ideas and practices with other cultures is higher than the probability of the Prophet (upon whom be peace) not accessing such knowledge. Therefore a new approach is needed to overcome to this intellectual obstacle, something which I will address later."

^ Isn't that just fuelling the accusations of plagiarism??

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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2016, 06:29:21 am »
Therefore, in the view of a skeptic or seeker of truth, the assertion that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) could not have accessed knowledge that was implied by the Qur’ānic verses is false. This is due to the fact that the probability of Prophet (upon whom be peace) exchanging ideas and practices with other cultures is higher than the probability of the Prophet (upon whom be peace) not accessing such knowledge. Therefore a new approach is needed to overcome to this intellectual obstacle, something which I will address later."

^ Isn't that just fuelling the accusations of plagiarism??


 Read the whole article. He even said in the end of the paragraph "which I will address later". Nobody is saying that the Prophet plagiarized anything.

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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2016, 08:35:28 am »
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A person whom Osama has great respect for his work! Rashad Khalifah! A person who claimed that he was a prophet from Allah and he translated Dahaha to mean "made it round". But then Osama mocks and insults the Salafis who fight against these false prophets and lies! Weird, isn't it? And then he calls them the "horn of Satan" even though they fight against innovation and false prophets. Don't worry about that, I will talk about ALL of that later on. What you are doing by changing the meaning of Dahaha is changing the word of Allah.

I knew this salafi will resort to lies.  His rotten traits don't change.  He's been warned about this before.



Now, let us examine Hamza's link that thoroughly destroys our claims about the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran:

"This however doesn’t imply a miracle, because the above interpretation of the word ᶜalaqah is not certain, and a sceptic could argue that it could be just a guess. [There is also the problem of interpreting the literal meaning of the word as a metaphorical one. This is beyond the scope of the essay, but I adopt the view that a comprehensive understanding of Arabic and Qur’ānic stylistics allows this word to be understood as leech-like or worm-like and not referring to an actual leech or worm]. The point here though is not to argue the miraculous but to articulate the view that the Qur’ān is multilayered, and therefore can address various perspectives and interpretations."

And

"If a multi-level or a multilayered analysis cannot produce anything meaningful, then a future scientific discovery or conclusion can open the window of opportunity to provide a meaningful analysis. This exposes the axiom that the Qur’ān is not inaccurate or wrong. This is not a unjustified assumption, as there are a myriad or arguments that indicate the Qur’ān is a signpost to the supernatural, in other words from the Divine. Although it is not the scope of this essay to discuss this in detail, one such example to show that the Qur’ān has Divine origins includes the fact that it is linguistically inimitable."

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/

So what exactly did he refute here?  And making ridiculous assertions like the one above about ALAQA, which had been throughly defined using 7 encyclopedic dictionaries, with examples of it being used in sayings and quotations.  The reader can see it all at:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology


And Hamza's Middle analogy about:

1-  John needs oxygen to survive.
2-  My dog needs oxygen to survive.
3-  Therefore, John is my dog.


And other loads of BS in his article. 


I respect Philosophy, but it is also a field for a lot of BS and games.  But you know what?  Numbers know no BS and no game!




The Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran:

In the past, I have cornered this salafi, Almadi, by giving him STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  He dismissed them as Rashad Khalifa work.  This is despite the fact that the latter had NOTHING to do with any of them, nor do we have any regard for him.  Yet, he continues to use the deviant liar against us and worse, against the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles.  The reader can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


And if you think this is nonsense like this salafi, then allow me to give you what Allah Almighty Himself Said about this Miracle.  He said it is one of the GREATEST ONES:

[074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
   
[074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
   
[074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
[074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
[074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
[074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles) انها لاحدى الكبر.
[074:036] A warning to mankind,-
[074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-


Go read the rotten salafies' interpretations to these Noble Verses.  Man, you would clearly see the bold and obnoxious denial of the Miracle!  Just rotten dogs barking.



A warning to Mankind:

Did you guys catch this Noble Verse, above:

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

This Number 19 Numerical Miracle is so big that is is one of the GREATEST ONES, and so important that Allah Almighty said it is a WARNING TO MANKIND!

These Muslims who continue to speak ill and display despicable attitude towards the Glorious Quran's Miracles need to be very very careful.  "A warning to mankind,-".  Why would Allah Almighty say this if it's something ludicrous?



Let's cut all of the Nonsense!  And let's visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


  • This last link is about Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran so that it will become clear to us that the Holy Book is the Truth from Him, the Almighty.
  • "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"


One more point.  Ever since when these rotten salafies respect philosophers??  Ever since when someone like Hamza Tzortis is considered even a human being and not just a creature?  Do they not have bloody history against philosophers, like Sufis and Muatazila and others?  And no, I am not defending those sects.  I am just a Muslim who follows the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.  But I am just pointing out the rotten traits and hypocrisy of these people.




The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran:

The following links give you ample STUNNING Scientific Miracles.  Also remember Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal them to prove that the Quran is the Truth sent from Him:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections





THE HORN OF SATAN:

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, declared that the HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.  For clear cut Hadiths and proofs, and also proofs from the Glorious Quran, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2016, 11:39:38 am »
Almadi, so you've only shown 1 tafsir of the earth being flattened while all the others said SPREAD OUT, did you not see in brother Osama's article when he addressed that? i never said DECEPTIVE attitude, i'm telling you that the doubt has already happened, if he never asks about these things he might leave islam and die a kafir, then who's to blame? YOU and him....prophet Muhammad pbuh said it is haram to ask too many questions about what ALLAH DIDN'T REVEAL in the Qur'an....do not make false claims and distort the meaning to make it suit your messed up ideology

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2016, 11:42:14 am »
as long as the questions have answers Allah gave us then it is for his benefit, he is not trying to annoy us

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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2016, 07:16:03 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have banned this salafi Almadi.  Unlike other users who ask questions, this guy is obnoxious and is not here to learn.  He is a spammer and also a liar.

Anyway, this is not why I made this post.  I wanted to bring to your attention the above update that I made to my reply.  Here it is:



A warning to Mankind:

Did you guys catch this Noble Verse, above:

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

This Number 19 Numerical Miracle is so big that is is one of the GREATEST ONES, and so important that Allah Almighty said it is a WARNING TO MANKIND!

These Muslims who continue to speak ill and display despicable attitude towards the Glorious Quran's Miracles need to be very very careful.  "A warning to mankind,-".  Why would Allah Almighty say this if it's something ludicrous?



Let's cut all of the Nonsense!  And let's visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


  • This last link is about Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran so that it will become clear to us that the Holy Book is the Truth from Him, the Almighty.
  • "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"


One more point.  Ever since when these rotten salafies respect philosophers??  Ever since when someone like Hamza Tzortis is considered even a human being and not just a creature?  Do they not have bloody history against philosophers, like Sufis and Muatazila and others?  And no, I am not defending those sects.  I am just a Muslim who follows the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.  But I am just pointing out the rotten traits and hypocrisy of these people.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2016, 02:11:48 am »
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Ok first of all, why would you ban him? Please unban him, and let us discuss this in a proper manner, that includes you brother Osama, instead of just calling him a "rotten Salafi", and instead of being close-minded Almadi, be ready to learn.

This is disgusting, how 2 Muslim brothers are simply just getting angry at each other, see it is the Muslim ummah that is suffering from disunity like both of yours.

Now onto moving onto the point.

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Your attempt to save the lie of the "scientific miracles" which many scholars have forbid because of its harmfulness to Islam and Muslims

Give evidence, of any scholar saying such things.

You barely even address many of the true scientific miracles in the Quran.
 Allah (SWT) always sent his revelation to the people, in what they were advanced in or were interested in or reasearching at that time. Why? Because, so when they see the amazing miracles, that theymselves cannot replicate, they know the Prophet is speaking the truth. So in Musa's time, people were interested in magic, what did Musa do by the will of Allah (SWT)? He struck his staff, turning it into a real snake, which eats all the other "snakes" from the magicians. In 'Isa's time, people were interested in medicine, so when 'Isa, by the will of Allah (SWT), 'Isa did many medicinal miracles, such as curing lepre, making a clay bird into a real bird, curing a blind man,etc. So at the time of Muhammad (SAW), people were interested into poetry, the Quran, was a miracle, which is beyond their  abilities to replicate. Now, what are people interested in? Essentially, science. Then in the Quran, look at the scientific miracles.

Now a major point in your so called "refutation" was that those miracles already predate to the Greeks, or other civilisations. Do you know who the Greeks were, or at least what they were known for. They were philosphists. Look at what all they did. They made millions upon millions of "hypotheses" or "theories", and when it turns out, one of them is partially right, people make a big deal out of it, when in fact, all they did was guess-work. And the ones that were partially right, that was not the Greeks' favoured view, like, look how they believed in the 4 humours. That was very pathetic, they had no evidence to back most of their claims. And the ones who were partially right? Well they were wrong in other aspects, and I GUARANTEE you that! I challenge you to bring me one Greek philosophist, who was not wrong in any of his claims, well, you can't because, as I said, some made partially right claims, yet other parts of it were wrong, and the partially right parts are often cherry-picked.

Furthermore, Muhammad (SAW) was illiterate, he would not have had access to any of the Greeks ideas. And lets say hypothetically, that he did have access to the material, and hypothetically he was literate. If like the non-Muslims say that he had access to the Greek's knowledge, how would he have differentiated between which claim was right, which was wrong, if it were like the non-Muslims say, it would have been inevitable, that in a million claims, that after "plagiarising" (which Muhammad (SAW) did not do, and the scientific miracles are accurate), there would be a mistake, yet look at the Quran, not a single mistake. Why? Because it is the word of God. See, you can't even see through the illogical claims you are making, Brother Almadi. See, look at the Big Bang one for instance, the major claim at that time, was that the earth was flat, there were many people, saying that it was round, but the Church and others, hid their claims, like look at Galileo, he said that, and then he was persecuted, his claims were hushed, and not many people know of it, and this was during or after the 1500s. Nearly 1000 years after the prophet. Whether or not, the Quran says if the earth is egg-shaped, it does not say it is flat. Also FYI, that image is highly exaggerating the folds and crevices, so it is easy to see. So you say that some Sumerian texts say that the big-bang happened, so what? That text was probably not have been easily accessible at Muhammad (SAW)'s time. So it would have been highly unlikely that he would have accessed it and then used it, especially since he was illiterate.  And he didn't need to, as Allah (SWT) gave the Quran to him, which had the scientific miracles.

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a sceptic could argue that it could be just a guess

How it could have been guess work? There are many many many, scientific miracles in the Quran, and there are no un-scientific claims in the Quran. Even If hypothetically speaking, it cannot have been guess work, especially since, you could make a million hypotheses, for one scientific question, yet none of them can be right, a good example is the Greeks, as I said, they made many many claims, for example, what is matter, none of them said atoms, yet they said many other things, the closest claim was, that everything, can keep on being split into half, then it cannot be split anymore which is substance that makes up matter. That claim is partially right, however, atoms are made up of electrons, protons and neutrons, all which, are different substance. So if there was a 0.000000001% chance that was guess-work, and it came right, if another question arises, then there is a 0.000000001% chance that, that is guessed, and then correct. So the chance of guessing and getting them both right is 0.000000001% squared, and if this is done many many times, it is statistically speaking, extremely close to impossible for it to be a guess. However, practically it is impossible for it to be a guess, and since Islam is the right religion that is practical, then of course it is cannot have been guess-work. Also, scientific theories are like that too, after many evidences, it is like a 0.000000001% chance that is wrong, so the theory is then deemed to be correct, and to be used.

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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.