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Quran Scientific Miracles & Islam's Prophecies (in Hadiths and Quran) / Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« on: January 12, 2016, 02:33:05 AM »As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,
I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:
1- Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned. Here is the Arabic text:
18:65 فوجدا عبدا من عبادنا اتيناه رحمة من عندنا وعلمناه من لدنا علما
[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.
The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is لدنا. But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.
Show me where following Noble Verses are hinting to DNA?
4:67 واذا لاتيناهم من لدنا اجرا عظيما
[004:067] And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;
19:13 وحنانا من لدنا وزكاة وكان تقيا
[019:013] And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
20:99 كذلك نقص عليك من انباء ماقد سبق وقد اتيناك من لدنا ذكرا
[020:099] Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.
21:17 لو اردنا ان نتخذ لهوا لاتخذناه من لدنا ان كنا فاعلين
[021:017] If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!
28:57 وقالوا ان نتبع الهدى معك نتخطف من ارضنا او لم نمكن لهم حرما امنا يجبى اليه ثمرات كل شئ رزقا من لدنا ولكن اكثرهم لايعلمون
[028:057] They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.
I won't argue long with you on this. Please do not use this approach here. The others where you matched Noble Verses' numerical references with dates are ok.
May Allah Almighty bless you. Please honor my request to you.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Alaikom Salam brother Osama, i want to tell you one thing, wallahi i love you in the name of Allah for your effort on this site, this site has shaped my knowledge about Islam, you dont know how many times i have used your texts from this site in my dawah, i pray to Allah to reward you with paradise.
Before we end this discussion about programming letters in quran i want to tell you one thing, be like one of the sahaba when he wanted to hear what prophet had to say, he was thinking If he speak true i will accept it, if he speak falsehood i will reject it, i am logical man.
SO if i speak the true, you can only benefit from it and use my arguments in your dawah, beacuse so far nobody of atheists could reject those examples even though they wanted to do it so bad, but they could not.
Even if a Child comes to me and say, Hey, do you want to learn from me something new about quran wich can benefit you in your dawah, i would say show me, beacuse i know if something is logical i accept it if it is not i reject it, as easy as that.
when i search in quran i use your quran search on answering-christianity to verify claims of other Before i accept them
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I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:
1- Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned. Here is the Arabic text:
18:65 فوجدا عبدا من عبادنا اتيناه رحمة من عندنا وعلمناه من لدنا علما
[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.
The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is لدنا. But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.
let me explain Before you reject it
in Quran letters DNA are found on many places, 1 occurence/verse many times , 2 occurences/verse many times
so nothing is special with those occurence as far as i know beacuse they occur in many placesnothing support them expect that letters are in correct order next to each other
but you missed this
18:65 فوجدا عبدا من عبادنا اتيناه رحمة من عندنا وعلمناه من لدنا علما
only this verse contain DNA 3 times and nowhere else in the quran, there were 1, 2 and 3 occurence /verse in the quran but not greater than 3, like 4,5 or more.
So 3 times /verse is only ONCE, that is why it makes it special in verse 18:65--->year 1865
If i picked one verse with DNA 1 occurence you could say, why pick that verse why not pick other, or if i picked verse with 2 occurences/verse you would say why pick that why not other verse with 2 occurences
but you cant say why did you picked that verse with DNA mentioned 3 times /verse and not other one with 3 times, beacuse there is no other verse with DNA 3 times. You can witness this with you own Eyes
copy letter DNA
دنا
and put it in your search quran program and yo uwill see that only verse 18:65 mentions only DNA 3 time and nowhere else, that is why it is special.
DO you understand me brother now?
If you want to accept this, just accept it, if you want to reject it, just reject it, and we will end our discussion with nummerical programing with letters