"Re: Does the Quran say conclusively the bible was corrupted?"Is there anything legitimate called "Bible" to begin with? There is no Divine book called "Bible". It's a man-made lie. The Bible is no more than a book that contains collections of writings of people that were not the original Prophets and Disciples. Even the Christian theologians declare this:
www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htmIronically, the very Bible itself also declares this:
www.answering-christianity.com/deuteronomy4_2.htmI've heard that Quran 2:79 is not really referring to the Jews, but the "ummi", the gentiles who write books, because the verse right before 2:78 is talking about people who don't know the book, writing the book.
Also the others say that the Quranic mensions of "distort the scripture" is "by their tongue". So they are not describing the written text being distorted, but the way they speak, they distort it.
If someone can show me that the context of this verse is referring to the Jews corrupting the scripture, that would be very helpful!
If there is any new thing you could add, it would be helpful to me for native Arabic speakers like Osama to help prove that the Quran conclusively says the older scriptures were corrupted.
[002:078] And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
[002:079] Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.Again, these Noble Verses confirm that there is nothing called "Bible". It is a book of conjecture, false desires and lies. Indeed, woe to them for what their hands do write.
Which Book is their book?Notice Allah Almighty mentions His Book and their corrupt book that they fabricate. Their Divine Book is the Laws that call for the Oneness of GOD Almighty, and the Laws that Allah Almighty called
"burdens and shackles" (7:157) upon the Jews that Islam came to free them from:
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm#no_abrogationLike all previous Divine Books that Allah Almighty willed for them to be lost forever (ex: books of Ishmael, Noah and others), the people of the Book's "book" is no different. It's original text too got lost forever. However, the Divine Commandments still live. Again, those are the BURDENS AND SHACKLES that Islam came to free them from. What the Jews and Christians have is
crookedness of false desires and conjecture. This is why Allah Almighty said this about the Glorious Quran:
[018:001] Praise be to God, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:[039:028] (It is) a Quran in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein): in order that they may guard against Evil.So the Ultimate Book of the people of the Book is the Glorious Quran. Not the pile of dung of praising boyfriend-girlfriend fornication in an
incestuous-like description that is called "the Bible":
www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htmHope that helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah