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I'm sorry but in the end, was it an eclipse or did the moon get cracked?

 It is all rubbish. The prophet (peace be upon him) split the moon.

@Abdullah I get you bro but how can one make a concrete statement to claim the Quran has no scientific error in it ? Are there any sources references?

 How? What do you mean brother? Dr. Maurice Bucaille has made a book called The Bible, the Quran, and Science in where he comes to a conclusion in the end that the Quran, unlike the Bible, doesn't have scientific mistakes. The links above refute almost all of the claims made by anti-Islamics.. I have a question brother:

 If it is discovered later on that the Quran contradicts science in some way in the future. Wold you disbelieve in it?

so do you not believe in any scientific miracles in the Qur'an?

 No, what I believe in and what Osama ignored is the biggest miracle of the Quran. Its challenge to the whole world.

Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another." [Qur'an 17:88]

And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful. [Qur'an 2:23]

And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!" [Qur'an 10:37-38]

Or they say, "He (Prophet Muhammad(P)) forged it (the Qur'an)." Say: "Bring you then ten forged surah (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth!" [Qur'an 11:13]

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it (this Qur'an)?" Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur'an) if they are truthful. [Qur'an 52:33-34]

See this page:

 So in short, no. I don't believe in these so called "scientific miracles" nor should you or anybody else since they are harmful to Muslims.

@Abdullah lol i lost so many nights of sleep. But how can one prove/be so sure of it :-/

 I too lost lots of sleep because of these so called "mistakes". I discovered about them because of Osama Abdallah's "scientific miracles". But I strengthened my faith by studying the religion and looking at other religions and their people. And I have come to the conclusion after my journey that Islam is the TRUTH. Whether the kufar like it or not.  These websites deal with these so called "mistakes" so check them out:


Always use this website to look for Islamic stuff instead: 

There are other websites if you want. Rest assured brother, no need to panic. Also, is it summer vacation for you?

I remember coming across the cat eye nebula on those answering islam fiends.

Listen,as long as there aren't any scientific errors then i can sleep at night.  :-\

 Don't worry lol. You can sleep safely.

I know many scientific miracles have been exaggerated, but some of these ''refutations'' are old arguments which have been refuted themselves (such as the refutation to the iron,big bang and embryology miracle)

 Then show me your rebuttals.

« on: September 16, 2016, 10:32:31 AM »
Just to clear up any misunderstandings, my posts have nothing to do personally with Abdullah Almadi (keeping a healthy distance from this Abdullah vs. Osama "discourse").

 But why? Why don't you contribute to the discussion to make it more interesting and fun?

What happened?  Did you finally realize the Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran, or did you get silenced again?  Your cult's nonsense is fantastic.  Are you too arrogant and stubborn to accept the Signs of Allah Almighty?  Or did your zionist SWTs in Saudi Arabia order you continue to dumb down Islam?

Please update us...

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 Don't worry. I will make an other thread soon debinking your "scientific miracles" tommorow. I have to deal with a bunch of Christians today.

 I had also dealt with your claims against the "Salafi" link in an other section. When people say that the Earth is egg shaped they don't mean that it is egg shaped literally. Everyone nowadays says that the Earth is "egg-shaped" but do they mean that it is literally "egg-shaped"? No!

My articles are mostly based on works of big scholars that wrote their materials and did their research before you.  While I do have original work and findings of my own, but most of my work had been done by others.  And I give credit where it is due.

As to apostates, this is outside the topic of the Scientific and Numerical Miracles discussion here.  And the brothers here have thoroughly refuted you on this point.  The reader can also visit:

As to Dahaha, I can't believe you man.  LOL.  Didn't you get thoroughly refuted here so bad that you ran away from the discussion:,2137.msg9273.html#msg9273

Care to respond to the ample points and definitions that thoroughly refuted you?

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Regarding Apostasy:

 I had already dealt with that in an other article. I gave hadiths which refute your points and some of the other brothers' points. The only one over here who was really able to debate this issue with me properly was Ahmad Farooq. But his points were weak. He claims that some scholar has said that the apostate shouldn't be punished, but he didn't provide any reference for that and even if that scholar did do that that still wouldn't matter since all scholars make mistakes and his view is wrong according to almost all of the scholars. He also said that their is no evidence that the one who was born a Muslim and leaves Islam shold the be killed however that is wrong since the hadiths regarding apostasy are general to everyone who leaves Islam.

The Dahaha issue:

 No translation besides that of Rashad Khalifa, who is a false prophet, translated the word to mean "made it round" or something like that. You further criticize the website IslamQA and call it a Salafi link but the funny thing is that you used material from their website in your own website!!!!!!! LOL! Check this link:

Your so called "evidence" for the Dahaha verse has been dealt with over here by an Arabic professional Muslim brother:

 I NEVER said that Ibn Kathir or any scholar is infallible or never makes mistakes. I dare YOU to show that! The reason to why I trust I need Ibn Kathir more than you is because one is very knowledgeable, wise, and doesn't interpret religion falsely based on his modern beliefs (for example: your attempts at proving that apostasy isn't punishable). An example of how you interpret the Quran falsely is the Dahaha verse. No one is denying that dahaha means egg, however it is Arabic grammar proves that the verse cannot mean that the Earth is round. If it did, then it would've said (كالادحي) I already gave you many links before refuting your statments from Muslims themselves! STOP changing the word of Allah. Don't worry, I will make an article on this website called "Top 20 Scientific Miracles Debunked". Unless yout lied about your promise and decide to ban me. NONE of the scholars over here in Saudi Arabia say that they are infallible or that all they say is true. No one said such things. I dare you to give me ONE proof of a scholar saying that.  YOU failed to refute ANY of the arguments that I gave! Then show me were the Muslims "exposed" that guys videos. Most of the stuff that he said is true. Refute it or just don't speak.

"With regard to the barrier between the two seas that is mentioned in these verses, there are two scholarly views concerning it:


That what is meant by the barrier between the two seas (i.e., between rivers and seas) is the vast lands that separate the rivers from the seas, so that there is no mixing of their waters; rather each of them has its own course and destination that is separate from that of the other.

This is the literalist interpretation that we find with many of the commentators.

First of all, "land" is not mentioned anywhere in Noble Verses  55:19-22  and 25:53.  So it can not be a literalist interpretation.

Also, ‏55:19 مرج البحرين يلتقيان MARAJA AL-BAHRAYN YALTAQIYAAN (merged the two bodies of waters) does not imply that there is land between them.  The Noble Verses are clear about actual bodies of water look like they're one when they're not, because there are barriers (BARZAKH) between them:  55:20 بينهما برزخ لايبغيان  .

The Noble Verses in 55:19-22  and 25:53 speak about:

1-  Salty bodies of water merging together.

‏55:19 مرج البحرين يلتقيان
‏55:20 بينهما برزخ لايبغيان

‏55:21 فباي الاء ربكما تكذبان
‏55:22 يخرج منهما اللؤلؤ والمرجان

[055:019]  He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:
[055:020]  Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
[055:021]  Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
[055:022]  Out of them come Pearls and Coral:

Right from Noble Verse 55:22 we know that the Noble Verses are referring to salty seas and oceans, because pearls and corals could only be found there.  The Noble Verse says: "Out of them come (يخرج منهما) Pearls and Coral".

2-  Salty and fresh bodies of water merging together.

‏25:53 وهو الذي مرج البحرين هذا عذب فرات وهذا ملح اجاج وجعل بينهما برزخا وحجرا محجورا

[025:053]  It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

We all know rivers pour into salty seas.  No lands separate them.  And the BIGGER MIRACLE is in the Barriers that are between the salty waters that science has just recently just confirmed in our age.  Also, notice يلتقيان (meet) in 55:19.  How can they meet if there is land separating them?

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 I don't like to post Anti-Islamic things however this one isn't necessarily "anti-Islamic" and it only shows the correct meaning of the verse:

 As for your claim that a "land" isn't mentioned in the verse, then the same thing can be said about the density between the waters. The "barrier" can be easily a land. Again, go to the video above. Second, yes, land can seperated salty and un-salty water.

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