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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2016, 02:37:53 PM »
Mr. Habbal,
Here is the text
"The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537"

There is no evidence that one wing has a disease and the other wing has the cure for that disease.

It might be that we derive certain treatments from insects, such as the fly.  There is no evidence that one is well advised to "dip it in the drink" because the fly can carry a wide variety of pathogens, and antidotes to those pathogens have not been found on one wing of the fly or anyplace else on they fly.

You are engaging in fallacious thinking.  If you do not understand how your reasoning is fallacious then I invite you to study logical fallacies and how to make an argument that avoids them.

Brother Osama questions the validity of this Hadith here:
The Hadith of the fly is not a Mutawatir one
http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm


The topic of this thread is "There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an"  and that is the topic I intend to address here.




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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2016, 01:51:18 AM »
Mr. Habbal,
Here is the text
"The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537"

There is no evidence that one wing has a disease and the other wing has the cure for that disease.

It might be that we derive certain treatments from insects, such as the fly.  There is no evidence that one is well advised to "dip it in the drink" because the fly can carry a wide variety of pathogens, and antidotes to those pathogens have not been found on one wing of the fly or anyplace else on they fly.

You are engaging in fallacious thinking.  If you do not understand how your reasoning is fallacious then I invite you to study logical fallacies and how to make an argument that avoids them.

Brother Osama questions the validity of this Hadith here:
The Hadith of the fly is not a Mutawatir one
http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm


The topic of this thread is "There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an"  and that is the topic I intend to address here.


"Maybe if I keep denying it, it will go away: Stardust

The Hadeeth on the Fly

One Wing Carrying Disease and the  Other Carrying the Cure

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Student Research Seminar Team 
Course Med 497


Team Supervised By 
Dr. Jamaal Haamid

Students:

1-Sami Ibrahim Aj-Taili
2-'Aadil 'Abdur Rahman Al-Misnid
3-Khalid Dha'aar Al-'Utaibi.

Dept. Medical Microbiology
College of Science
Qassim University

Course Co-Coordinator
Dr. Saleh As-Saleh (rahimahullaah)


In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

Allah, the Most Might and Most Majestic, sent the Prophet Muhammad
(sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam: may Allah Exalt his mention, and render him
safe from all derogatory things), with guidance and the truth and said about him:


Nor does he (Muhammad sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam) speak of (his own)
desire. It is only a Revelation revealed [Translation of the meaning of the Qur'an;
Ch. 53, verses 3 & 4).
 
And from this, is the Prophet (sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam) saying:

"If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the
drink), for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of
the disease." [Bukhari, vol. 4: 537].




Panel A   

Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the E Coli type were identified after taking samples from the
water in the flask for culture.   

Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete
inhibition of growth in plate 2

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eCjzHFVfBEY/TSCShw8Z31I/AAAAAAAAAJo/cd-rWhtFJNw/s320/Snapshot+2011-01-02+18-55-57.jpg

Panel B

Same as in Panel A,  but from another fly.

Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the Coynebacterium Dephtheroid type were identified after
taking samples from the water in the flask for culture.   

Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics (more than 70%) can be extracted. This explains the
complete inhibition of growth in plate 2


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eCjzHFVfBEY/TSCSuo5gDcI/AAAAAAAAAJs/qBxwxsMyc94/s320/Snapshot+2011-01-02+18-58-36.jpg
                                                                     
Panel C

Panel C: Same as before, yet with another fly.


Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the  Staphylococcus sp. type. were identified after taking
samples from the water in the flask for culture.   

Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete
inhibition of growth in plate 2

The Same results were obtained with another type of disease-causing bacteria of the Salmonellas sp + proteus sp. Type.


Ooops... the study confirms the Hadeeth

Than you for strengthening my faith


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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2016, 02:08:22 AM »
O and I see you evaded all my questions


Not very honest... but that's expected with the Hasbara brigade


Who was behind 9/11

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2016, 07:14:35 AM »

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #101 on: January 18, 2016, 07:52:26 AM »
Clearly the fly has both the disease and and the cure and that's not something you can refute. Also the prophet clearly states that the fly has both the disease and the cure.


 Over 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhammad told his followers to submerge the fly completely to be protected from any diseases.  1400 years later, scientists and student put it to the test and the results are as you see.

I cited peer reviewed scientific experiments which you most likely didn't even read because "Hasbara"

Check the links, and follow the research - it is actually MIND BLOWING and proves the hadeeth true.



You do not want to admit that, I get it :)

It gotta hurt


And now.. About 9/11 attacks....


I am still waiting. Hopefully you won;t keep me waiting for too long now

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
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