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Offline AhmadFarooq

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2016, 01:41:22 AM »

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2016, 03:00:04 AM »
You see how he been avoiding my questions and replies like the plague?


I know where to squeeze


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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2016, 09:15:22 AM »
Brother Ahmad,
We are getting into a rather fine detail of parsing an English word I am not certain is absolutely the correct or best translation, but "overtake" does seem to be a fair word to use in this case.

When driving on a multi-lane road in the same direction one car overtakes another when it passes the other.  If they were in the same lane there would be, instead, a rear end collision.

To overtake on a curve is similar, one car passes the other, but in different lanes.  On a circular track the runners run in different lanes, and to overtake means to pass but along a different path.  Passing means to achieve a greater distance run which can also be expressed as a greater angular measure traversed.

In the 7th century nearly all people accepted the Ptolemaic system.


Note, the moon, mercury, venus, sun, mars, jupiter, and saturn were treated the same in terms of motion and were all considered planets of the earth. 

Also, note the position of the stars in a spherical shell outside the planets, hence the reference to spheres in the Qur'an.

It is interesting to note that this system got the order of the planets correct, is correct in that the moon is closest to the earth, and interchanges the position of the earth and the sun such that mercury and venus are inside whereas mars, jupiter, and saturn are outside which is also correct.

This model was no accident, rather, it fits quiet well with careful naked eye observations.  Not shown in this image are the epicycles needed to account for retrograde motion.

So, brother Ahmad, we can see that the verses in the Qur'an are simply poetic and very simple words that describe the prevailing view of that day.

But, those words are in error to the extent that the planets do overtake each other as they move in their circular tracks, just like racers who stay in their own lanes but overtake by running faster.

The heliocentric model was known to learned people as a hypothesis dating back to ancient Greece, and at least one Muslim scholar did in fact promote that hypothesis.  But, it seemed rather fantastic to people that the Earth, which is obviously standing still, would actually be moving, and the sun, which is obviously moving, would actually be standing still.  That idea seemed so outlandish to nearly all humans that Aristotle and Ptolemy ruled the day for millennia.

It was Christian Europe that deduced the truth we all know today, and corrected the scientific errors of the Qur'an and nearly everybody else, thanks to Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton.

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2016, 09:22:04 AM »

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2016, 09:41:28 AM »
Riiiite... you "answered"


Still i will take the scientists' words over yours.

And they confirmed the Fly's miracle

Subhanallah

How did Sayyidna Muhammad know about pathogens and anti-pathogens 1500 years back.. one revelation among 100s others i may add  :)

Mind blowing

Shalom! :)

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2016, 07:37:38 PM »
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Note, the moon, mercury, venus, sun, mars, jupiter, and saturn were treated the same in terms of motion and were all considered planets of the earth.

Stardusty,

In space, any object can be the center of its system or even the Universe.  Not that Allah Almighty ever said this about earth in the Glorious Quran, but the Noble Verses that speak about the sun and the moon and other planets in relation to the earth are not in contradiction with sceince.  You can technically and scientifically speak a system with the earth being the focus or the center.  After all, this is our planet that we live in.  Consider the following images.  All rotate around each others even when the sun appears to be the center and the focus:







The Earth's Movement in Space:

Watch this video to see the Noble Verses that speak about earth's movement in space:


 
Also visit this article:  What about the sun "running" (different from the "sun's orbit" or "orbit of the sun" in other Noble Verses) in Noble Verse 36:38?

  

A must-watch video:

Scientists today believe that our galaxy is currently traveling towards a Black Hole and Star Vega.  So the sun, which is the mother of our Solar System, will not just exist forever.  There will come a time where it will come to a halt in both motion and light.

  

Also, the Glorious Quran [1] declares that the earth is:

1- Spherical.
2- Suspended in Space.
3- Rotating around itself. (emphasis on dahaha and its derivatives)
4- Is traveling in Space.
5- Also, all celestial bodies are Yaa'rujoon (traveling in orbits) in space.  Another Video:  The countless orbits in the Universe, and the day-layer reveals the sun's brightness [2] [3] [4] [5].
  1. Video file.
  2. The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.
    Egg-shaped earth.

  

A STUNNING Hadith [1] [2] [3] [4] from Prophet Muhammad regarding the rising and setting POINTS:

 


To the reader, the following links thoroughly demonstrate many of the Glorious Quran's STUNNING and Overwhelming Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2016, 06:10:49 AM »
Stardusty,

Debating with you has devolved to ridiculous levels.  You just like to endlessly argue and argue even when you know your position is weak, or even soundly refuted.  I won't let you drag the brothers here into your endless spiral, especially when we have thoroughly refuted you here.

You keep bringing your nonsense about what brother Hamza Tzortzis said as if he is the ultimate authority.  I have already refuted you and him by pointing out that he never even addressed the Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  And you also danced around this point.  And he also said he's uncertain about the Scientific Miracles.  So he wasn't even speaking with certainty, and worst, he is not even an Arabic speaker!  I have used 7 encyclopedic Arabic dictionaries that demonstrated the Noble Words' Scientific meanings.  The reader can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

I also showed you Allah Almighty's Divine Prophecy and Promise about someday revealing His Miracles in the Universe and inside ourselves so that the Miracles of the Quran would make it abundantly clear that this Holy Book is indeed the Divine Truth.

I am going to freeze this thread.  People have lives, and I don't like it when they start getting obsessed with blogging.  It becomes addictive and compulsory

To the reader, to see where Stardusty had been thoroughly refuted, begin reading here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1999.msg8248#msg8248

Also, my refutation to brother Hamza Tzortzis is located here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1999.msg8259#msg8259

You're still welcomed to blog on this board.  Just don't spam please!  I still want to be fair to you.

This thread is now locked.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2016, 02:40:51 PM »
And Stardusty, here are links that talk about other Scientific Miracles in space:

1-  Black holes, www.answering-christianity.com/black_holes.htm

2-  Pulsars (knocking and piercing), www.answering-christianity.com/pulsars_are_knocking_and_penetrating.htm

3-  Our sun will turn into a White Dwarf (Science says because it lacks iron).  The Glorious Quran said also that our sun will turn into a White Dwarf: www.answering-christianity.com/sun_becomes_white_dwarf_star.htm

4-  The expansion of the earth.  Science declares that it was 10% of its current size today.  The Glorious Quran fully supports this:  www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm

5-  The moon reflects light, www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/light_of_moon.htm

6-  The earth's egg-shaped physical form and orbit: www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm

7-  The moon's S-Shaped orbit around the earth: www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm

8-  The Universe is full of Cosmic Webs: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe

9-  When a Solar System explodes (Samaa' is singular Heaven and not Plural Samawaat) it blows up and forms a shape of a rose: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe



There are literally 10s of other STUNNING Miracles mentioned in the Glorious Quran.  See them at:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


This brief post does not do it justice!

Don't forget also to visit the Glorious Quran's stunning Numerical Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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