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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2016, 07:10:23 AM »
Most of the earth verses in Quran are describing about how spacious the earth from one's viewpoint as the space is constraint by the the farthest of horizon one sees anywhere he stands. One will feel at ease seeing the vastness of earth.

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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2016, 08:50:41 PM »
To Ramihs,
The Scholars of the old taught the earth was a circular sphere,
look at Old Muslim maps
For Example Muhammad Al Idrisi's Map
Al-Kashgari's map
This is Al-Idrisi's Map

http://crossingtheoceansea.com/OceanSeaPages/OS-14-Al-Idrisi-Map.html

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2016, 03:20:16 PM »
Again a great thanks to you all. I'd be so lost and miserable if it weren't for this website.

Guys have any of you seen the video of Z. Al naggar saying the quran says the earth came before the heavens ? Isn't that a major error ?

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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2016, 09:37:26 PM »
He never said that akhi.  Take a listen here from minute 01:20:

www.answering-christianity.com/time_and_speed_of_light_precisely_in_noble_quran.mp3

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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2016, 09:43:29 PM »
@Osama akhi i believe I've seen it on youtube under "Naggar claims earth came before universe quran."


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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2016, 05:06:41 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2016, 05:25:58 PM »
In addition. Surah 21:44 uses the word ?????. Which means tip,end or side.  Isn't similar to the bibles 4 corners of the earth ???

InshAllah there's an answer for this.
???? ????.

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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2016, 05:42:29 PM »
Also,in quran.com/21:44 the word is translated to  border. Doesn't this also imply a flat earth ?

I never thought I'd find these words in the quran ??

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2016, 05:48:51 PM »
Lastly,border appears in 13:41

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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2016, 07:11:28 PM »
i already mentioned them in previous replies. how many outlying parts to the egg dear ? 1 or 2 or it depends ? how many outlaying part to the American football ? 2 right ? can i make in some magic another outlaying part ? did the Quran mentioned how many outlying parts the earth have? so can the spherical shape have some outlying parts ? do you think that the spherical shape you see from NASA can show you the outlying parts of earth? when you hold a magnet in your hand they will tell you this is the south pole and north pole , can you call the pole of the magnet just a pole or an outlying part either ?

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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2016, 07:24:38 PM »
@khdrb I'm very sorry akhi i couldn't comprehend ur analogy?

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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2016, 09:36:27 PM »
Anyone ?

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2016, 01:16:48 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Ramihs,

Here are my responses to your points above:



Noble Verse 51:48:

1-  ?51:48 ?????? ??????? ???? ????????

FARASHNAHA ??????? is derived from FARASHA ???, which means:

1.  To spread out.
2.  To clothe.  As in farasha al-sareer (placing the cover on the bed).  Farasha al-sareer also means prepared the bed, as in made it neat and ready.

???????? MAAHIDOON is derived from MAHD, which means:

1.  Make comfortable.
2.  Cradle.  As in from cradle to grave (Mina al-madh ????? ila al-lahd ???).

So basically earth is a PREPARED BED for us.  But this bed is also a rocking one as Allah Almighty Said in:

78:6 ??? ???? ????? ?????

[078:006] Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse rocking cradle  ?????,

Notice the following:

??? means bed.

????? means a rocking bed.


The relationship and balance between ??? and ????? in Arabic is like:

1-  ??? (harth), tilth, and ???? (hiraath), plowing the earth.

2-  ??? (qatl), kill, and ???? (qitaal), fighting.

3-  ??? (juhd), effort, and ???? (jihaad), struggling.

So ??? is bed.  ????? is a bed in action.


Let us now look at our planet earth's "Axial Tilt" that makes it look like a cradle:



www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain




Noble Verse 84:3:

This is a future Prophecy regarding the streching of earth that had been scientifically confirmed.  It is a STUNNING one and I have written an article on it with detailed Western scientific references and also videos proving this:

www.answering-christianity.com/end_of_times_volcanoes_caused_by_stretching_of_earth.htm




Noble Verse 21:44:

There are two scientifically proven answers for this Noble Verse:

1-  The actual planet earth is shrinking.  This had been confirmed by NASA and other Scientific agencies:

www.google.com/#q=earth+is+shrinking


2-  The rising seas (a Quranic Prophecy) are reducing the livable lands that we live on.  Entire towns will drowned by the sea:

www.google.com/#q=sea+levels+are+rising

The rising seas before the Hour is an End-of-Times Prophecy in the Glorious Quran;

[052:001]  By the Mount (of Revelation);
[052:002]  By a Decree inscribed
[052:003]  In a Scroll unfolded;
[052:004]  By the much-frequented Fane;
[052:005]  By the Canopy Raised High;
[052:006] And by the Ocean filled with Swell;-

[052:007]  Verily, the Doom of thy Lord will indeed come to pass;-
[052:008]  There is none can avert it;-
[052:009]  On the Day when the firmament will be in dreadful commotion.
[052:010]  And the mountains will fly hither and thither.
[052:011]  Then woe that Day to those that treat (Truth) as Falsehood;-

?52:1 ??????
?52:2 ????? ?????
?52:3 ?? ?? ?????
?52:4 ?????? ???????
?52:5 ?????? ???????
?52:6 ?????? ???????
?52:7 ?? ???? ??? ?????
?52:8 ???? ?? ????
?52:9 ??? ???? ?????? ????
?52:10 ????? ?????? ????
?52:11 ???? ????? ????????

By the way, the atmosphere being our raised and protective roof is also mentioned in several Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/ozone_layer_protecting_earth.htm


As to "sides", the spherical earth does still have boundaries.  Lands on earth are divided into sections.  Perhaps this is even referring to the continents after they broke off from each others as the earth expanded:

?13:4 ??? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??????

[013:004] And in the earth are neighbouring tracts ??? ????? ??? ????????, and gardens of vines, and green crops (fields etc.), and date-palms, growing out two or three from a single stem root, or otherwise (one stem root for every palm ), watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Verily, in these things, there are Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs) for the people who understand.



This is explained in more details in the following sub-section.


Also, the Glorious Quran supports this through the The land-sea ratio Miracle - Mentioned in the Glorious Quran and confirmed by Science.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/land_sea_ratio_miracle.htm








The earth expanded spherically:

Also, if you read in my material, you will find that Allah Almighty Said that He has expanded the earth spherically:

1-  To push.

2-  To throw.

???   (daha):  ???? ? ??? ?? (dafa'aahu wa ramaa bih) Caused it to move, pushed it, or threw it.

??? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ???????????   Daha the boy the rolling toy, means the boy pushed the rolling toy.


3-  To make something roll, as in DAHA the barrel from the top of the hill, which means he rolled it down from the top of the hill.  Also, this is where the Arabic word DAHRAJA is derived from, which means to make something roll down.

4-  To make something round.  I used several examples for ROUND AND BULGED TUMMY, and making round objects.  I even used a Hadith from Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when he said:

In Prophet Muhammad's Hadith: ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????   Osama had a round and big tummy.

Also the dictionary says:
??????? ?? ???????? ???????    The dahdaah is the person who is ROUND and STOCKY.

? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??????  His tummy is mun-daahun means it is OUT THERE AND ROUND ??????.



So when Allah Almighty DAHA THE EARTH, it means that Allah Almighty EXPANDED IT SPHERICALLY through rotating it around itself and moving it in its orbit in space.  And this is why Allah Almighty Said after that (after He DAHAHA), He brought forth from it its water and pasture.  Science has proven this to be 100% accurate and True:


1-  Water was brought forth from the earth - Science confirmed it and the Holy Quran claimed it 1400 years ago:




2-  Our earth expanded and produced its own water:



And





So ????? (sides) can refer to either the entire earth shrinking, or the lands that we live on shrinking and sinking.  And Allah Almighty Always Knows Best.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain
www.answering-christianity.com/bringing_forth_its_waters.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing but noise on Islam.




But Prophet Muhammad didn't interpret them like this:

I get this lame argument a lot.  But Prophet Muhammad himself admitted, and Allah Almighty thoroughly confirmed that the Prophet couldn't interpret much of the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm

So this lame argument that if it's not in the Hadiths (sayings) of the Prophet, then we don't accept it fails.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Supposed "Flat earth verses" and judgement day.
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2016, 02:49:14 AM »
looool Osama laying the smackdown !! Thanks for all the help you give us,you're saving lives lol.

So the earth expanded first then started contracting ? Does the Quran refer to both events happening ? If so won't there be any contradiction between both theories ?

Wouldn't one assume the verse to be saying end of earth ?

Also,to clear misinterpretations. How can one differentiate between Land,Ground,Floor and Earth in the Quran since they all have the same meaning ?

 

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