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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2016, 05:15:53 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2016, 05:32:47 AM »
refuted by brother Osama in the article about scientific miracles itself ;)

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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2016, 05:41:11 AM »
i want you to explain what you think dahaha means because you haven't explained it in your DAHAHA HOAX section, no it is a miracle because people at the time in mecca thought the earth was flat, btw your explanation of flatness is extremely unhelpful and doesn't make any sense...."when the Quran says things like "do they not see how the Earth was flattened" it means flattened to the eye" that makes absolutely no sense. the arabic word is SUTIHAT meaning pressed and expanded not flattened. Brother Osama explained this already http://www.answering-christianity.com/sutihat_miracle.htm

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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2016, 05:46:15 AM »
Why would i lie to you? if something is refuted then i'd tell you it's refuted, if something isn't refuted then i wouldn't say it's refuted, brother Osama just refuted Hamza again...Hamza isn't an arab and he's trying to interpret the Qur'an using translations so there's all the proof to make me stay away from such a person

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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2016, 05:46:58 AM »
explain to me what DAHAHA means according to you then i'll show you the refutation

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2016, 05:55:24 AM »
Also in other threads or topics you keep telling people who ask questions to shut up, who are you to say that? they can ask as many questions as they like and if you don't like it DON'T ANSWER. simple as that, are you trying to terrify them and stop them from asking questions? they have doubts or waswas about something and you want them to stay like that? your attitude towards people is atrocious.

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2016, 06:33:40 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,


Another STUNNING Miracle discovered!


Quite amazingly, the youtube video that Abdullah Almadi gave me that supposedly refutes my points on DAHAHA (earth spread out spherically), has further proven my points and has given me a new Scientific point that I overlooked.  Here are the details:



1-  The youtube video is located here:  https://youtu.be/5D4ChAnqkxU.

2-  My detailed proofs about the earth spread out spherically are listed here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2243.msg10156.html#msg10156
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2270.msg10136.html#msg10136






3-  Now, in the youtube video, we find the following:



The Noble Verses are listed exactly after each and they say in Noble Verses 79:30-32

And the earth after that He has spherically expanded
Brought forth from it its water and pasture
and the MOUNTAINS HE SET FIRMLY.


Indeed, scientists have proven that:

1-  The earth has spherically expanded.

2-  The earth produced its water and pasture on a large scale as a result.  I have posted a Scientific Video from History Channel proving this:





3-  The mountains due to this expansion were formed; due to the plate tectonics movements, which caused for land to be pushed on top of each other, which formed mountains and hills.  You can learn about this at:

https://www.google.com/#q=mountains+formed+through+plate+tectonics

Read all of the details at my article:






But Prophet Muhammad didn't interpret them like this:

I get this lame argument a lot.  But Prophet Muhammad himself admitted, and Allah Almighty thoroughly confirmed that the Prophet couldn't interpret much of the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm

So this lame argument that if it's not in the Hadiths (sayings) of the Prophet, then we don't accept it fails.



So Abdullah Almadi, like the infidels' stubborness, the more you fight the Glorious Quran, the more you prove it.

More to come on your other nonsense, insha'Allah.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2016, 09:35:28 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2016, 12:39:38 PM »
Almadi, so you've only shown 1 tafsir of the earth being flattened while all the others said SPREAD OUT, did you not see in brother Osama's article when he addressed that? i never said DECEPTIVE attitude, i'm telling you that the doubt has already happened, if he never asks about these things he might leave islam and die a kafir, then who's to blame? YOU and him....prophet Muhammad pbuh said it is haram to ask too many questions about what ALLAH DIDN'T REVEAL in the Qur'an....do not make false claims and distort the meaning to make it suit your messed up ideology

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2016, 12:42:14 PM »
as long as the questions have answers Allah gave us then it is for his benefit, he is not trying to annoy us

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Re: Top 10 Scientific Miracles Debunked- A Response to Osama Abdallah
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2016, 08:16:03 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have banned this salafi Almadi.  Unlike other users who ask questions, this guy is obnoxious and is not here to learn.  He is a spammer and also a liar.

Anyway, this is not why I made this post.  I wanted to bring to your attention the above update that I made to my reply.  Here it is:



A warning to Mankind:

Did you guys catch this Noble Verse, above:

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-

This Number 19 Numerical Miracle is so big that is is one of the GREATEST ONES, and so important that Allah Almighty said it is a WARNING TO MANKIND!

These Muslims who continue to speak ill and display despicable attitude towards the Glorious Quran's Miracles need to be very very careful.  "A warning to mankind,-".  Why would Allah Almighty say this if it's something ludicrous?



Let's cut all of the Nonsense!  And let's visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm


  • This last link is about Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to Reveal the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran so that it will become clear to us that the Holy Book is the Truth from Him, the Almighty.
  • "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"


One more point.  Ever since when these rotten salafies respect philosophers??  Ever since when someone like Hamza Tzortis is considered even a human being and not just a creature?  Do they not have bloody history against philosophers, like Sufis and Muatazila and others?  And no, I am not defending those sects.  I am just a Muslim who follows the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.  But I am just pointing out the rotten traits and hypocrisy of these people.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2016, 03:11:48 AM »
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Ok first of all, why would you ban him? Please unban him, and let us discuss this in a proper manner, that includes you brother Osama, instead of just calling him a "rotten Salafi", and instead of being close-minded Almadi, be ready to learn.

This is disgusting, how 2 Muslim brothers are simply just getting angry at each other, see it is the Muslim ummah that is suffering from disunity like both of yours.

Now onto moving onto the point.

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Your attempt to save the lie of the "scientific miracles" which many scholars have forbid because of its harmfulness to Islam and Muslims

Give evidence, of any scholar saying such things.

You barely even address many of the true scientific miracles in the Quran.
 Allah (SWT) always sent his revelation to the people, in what they were advanced in or were interested in or reasearching at that time. Why? Because, so when they see the amazing miracles, that theymselves cannot replicate, they know the Prophet is speaking the truth. So in Musa's time, people were interested in magic, what did Musa do by the will of Allah (SWT)? He struck his staff, turning it into a real snake, which eats all the other "snakes" from the magicians. In 'Isa's time, people were interested in medicine, so when 'Isa, by the will of Allah (SWT), 'Isa did many medicinal miracles, such as curing lepre, making a clay bird into a real bird, curing a blind man,etc. So at the time of Muhammad (SAW), people were interested into poetry, the Quran, was a miracle, which is beyond their  abilities to replicate. Now, what are people interested in? Essentially, science. Then in the Quran, look at the scientific miracles.

Now a major point in your so called "refutation" was that those miracles already predate to the Greeks, or other civilisations. Do you know who the Greeks were, or at least what they were known for. They were philosphists. Look at what all they did. They made millions upon millions of "hypotheses" or "theories", and when it turns out, one of them is partially right, people make a big deal out of it, when in fact, all they did was guess-work. And the ones that were partially right, that was not the Greeks' favoured view, like, look how they believed in the 4 humours. That was very pathetic, they had no evidence to back most of their claims. And the ones who were partially right? Well they were wrong in other aspects, and I GUARANTEE you that! I challenge you to bring me one Greek philosophist, who was not wrong in any of his claims, well, you can't because, as I said, some made partially right claims, yet other parts of it were wrong, and the partially right parts are often cherry-picked.

Furthermore, Muhammad (SAW) was illiterate, he would not have had access to any of the Greeks ideas. And lets say hypothetically, that he did have access to the material, and hypothetically he was literate. If like the non-Muslims say that he had access to the Greek's knowledge, how would he have differentiated between which claim was right, which was wrong, if it were like the non-Muslims say, it would have been inevitable, that in a million claims, that after "plagiarising" (which Muhammad (SAW) did not do, and the scientific miracles are accurate), there would be a mistake, yet look at the Quran, not a single mistake. Why? Because it is the word of God. See, you can't even see through the illogical claims you are making, Brother Almadi. See, look at the Big Bang one for instance, the major claim at that time, was that the earth was flat, there were many people, saying that it was round, but the Church and others, hid their claims, like look at Galileo, he said that, and then he was persecuted, his claims were hushed, and not many people know of it, and this was during or after the 1500s. Nearly 1000 years after the prophet. Whether or not, the Quran says if the earth is egg-shaped, it does not say it is flat. Also FYI, that image is highly exaggerating the folds and crevices, so it is easy to see. So you say that some Sumerian texts say that the big-bang happened, so what? That text was probably not have been easily accessible at Muhammad (SAW)'s time. So it would have been highly unlikely that he would have accessed it and then used it, especially since he was illiterate.  And he didn't need to, as Allah (SWT) gave the Quran to him, which had the scientific miracles.

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a sceptic could argue that it could be just a guess

How it could have been guess work? There are many many many, scientific miracles in the Quran, and there are no un-scientific claims in the Quran. Even If hypothetically speaking, it cannot have been guess work, especially since, you could make a million hypotheses, for one scientific question, yet none of them can be right, a good example is the Greeks, as I said, they made many many claims, for example, what is matter, none of them said atoms, yet they said many other things, the closest claim was, that everything, can keep on being split into half, then it cannot be split anymore which is substance that makes up matter. That claim is partially right, however, atoms are made up of electrons, protons and neutrons, all which, are different substance. So if there was a 0.000000001% chance that was guess-work, and it came right, if another question arises, then there is a 0.000000001% chance that, that is guessed, and then correct. So the chance of guessing and getting them both right is 0.000000001% squared, and if this is done many many times, it is statistically speaking, extremely close to impossible for it to be a guess. However, practically it is impossible for it to be a guess, and since Islam is the right religion that is practical, then of course it is cannot have been guess-work. Also, scientific theories are like that too, after many evidences, it is like a 0.000000001% chance that is wrong, so the theory is then deemed to be correct, and to be used.

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I don't think that their is a contradiction between science and Islam, but they might appear later on

For you to even say that, is potentially blasphemy, because then you are saying, that scientific facts, are contradicting Islam. So are you saying that, Allah (SWT) does not know how he has designed his creation?!?!?? Are you saying, that Allah (SWT)'s guidance, is wrong?!?!??!?!?? ?Repent to Allah Brother Abdullah.

 

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