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This is a continuation to my detailed must-read rebuttal above....



Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus?

Yes it does.  GOD Almighty created the flesh and blood Jesus, and GOD Almighty MADE Jesus from the Word.  I have also covered this topic in one of my debates in great details:

Is Jesus the GOD-Man?

Dr. Edward Dalcour VS Osama Abdallah

Jesus Christ belongs to the World of Command.  He is a BEING.  We belong to the world of Creations.  We are CREATURES.  Our SPIRITS belong to the World of Command.  And so does also the Word, the Holy Spirit, Melchizedek (the Jews' Highest Priest who had no father and no mother, and no beginning and no end, whom Christ had to be created "in his order", and had to be Miraculous like Melchizedek in order to be a match to him, and be made "in the order of Melchizedek".  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20), and perhaps many of the Angels and many of the invisible Beings out there.  Yet, everything is under the Power and Command and Control of Allah Almighyty:

"In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For God hath power over all things."  (The Noble Quran, 5:17)"

Jesus was declared to be the "first and the last" and the "beginning and the end".  So what is Jesus' first or beginning?  It's when he WAS or WAS MADE according to John 1:1.  Jesus came from the "REALM OF COMMAND" according to the Glorious Quran.  The Bible also agrees with this:

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God with authority.

Why did I cross "God" and replace it with "with authority"?  The following gives the clear answer:

The Word encompasses Jesus:

  

One might ask: Why was "God" crossed out and replaced with "with authority"?

Answer: Because the same word (THEOS or the compound one HOTHEOS) was also used for satan to describe him the "God of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4:

"The GOD of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Corinthians 4:4)"

SATAN WAS CALLED GOD in 2 Corinthians 4:4.  Yet, satan, like the idols, fails the challenge of GOD Almighty to prove that they are GOD:
   
Isaiah 41
21 Come then, says the Lord, your pleadings! Let the King of Jacob hear your contentions;
22 let them come forward, these other gods, and tell us the future. So read the past for us, that the study of it may disclose what needs must follow; coming events make known.
23 Foretell you what is yet to be, we shall know you are gods indeed. Then, if you have the power, grant good or ill fortune to mankind; confer we, and pass judgment on it!
24 Why, you are all empty air, a nothing that nothing can effect; he courts his own shame, that makes choice of you.

Satan can not do any of these.  So THEOS ("God", the same Greek word used for The Word in John 1:1)  means having rule and authority, and not being actually GOD Almighty Himself.

The cursed satan obviously was no one's Creator.  So the use of the word "GOD" for him is a mistranslation, because GOD here means one with authority or rule, and not actually Allah Almighty Himself.  The same thing about Jesus Christ, who was created from the Word of Allah Almighty.  Jesus was given a limited authority by Allah Almighty here on earth ONLY:

John 5
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 17:21-22
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Matthew 28:18
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

The Bible declares that Jesus is the one who will inherit EARTH after he crushes satan.  This is where he is called the HEIR OF GOD.  The Bible limits Jesus inheritence to earth only, and also limits Jesus' power and authority to earth only as well.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm

This is also where Jesus was called called:

1-  Mighty God.
2-  Wonderful Counsler.
3-  Everlasting Father (Rabbi).
4-  Prince of Peace.

This is all discussed in great details at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122.

All Jewish Rabbis were called "Father".  This is also where Roman Catholics get the "Father" title from.  And Jesus being "Everlasting Father" means he is the highest Jewish Rabbi and Messiah, because he is the Messiah and the King of the Jews.  See the previous posts above for a lot more details.

Also, Son of GOD in the Bible means a Righteous Chosen Servant of GOD Almighty.  Also, GOD Almighty called "THE FATHER" means He is the Al-Knowing and Al-Mighty GOD Almighty.  Also, all believers are called GOD in the Bible:

Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "

For ample more proofs, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm.

And again, please visit the link that I gave above for ample more Biblical verses and proofs and discussions:  http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg3122.html#msg3122.

Also visit this important discussion about Jesus' Will, and how GOD Almighty makes him live ("I live because of GOD"):  http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1617.msg6417.html#msg6417

Also, the following are my thorough answers to many of the Questions that were asked regarding trintiy on this board: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1635.msg6491.html#msg6491

Also on the main website, you can visit the Answering Trinity main section, which has tons of articles and refutations to the falsehood of trinity.

Also visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm.

2 The same was in the beginning with God (YAHWEH ALMIGHTY).
3 All things were made by him (that's YAHWEH ALMIGHTY); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


The World of GOD's Command:

In Islam there are:

1-  GOD Almighty, the Supreme and Soverign LORD and Creator of Everything.

2-  Then under GOD Almighty, there is what is known in Islam as عالم الأمر or the World of Command.  This is where the Word of GOD Almighty, the Spirit (includes the Holy Spirit), and perhaps many of the special Angels were all WERE MADE IN.  Allah Almighty Made a reference regarding this World in many Noble Verses such as the following:

‏2:117 بديع السماوات والارض واذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له كن فيكون

[002:117]  To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.

‏3:47 قالت رب انى يكون لي ولد ولم يمسسني بشر قال كذلك الله يخلق مايشاء اذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له كن فيكون

[003:047]  She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

‏3:59 ان مثل عيسى عند الله كمثل ادم خلقه من تراب ثم قال له كن فيكون

[003:059]  The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

‏6:73 وهو الذي خلق السماوات والارض بالحق ويوم يقول كن فيكون قوله الحق وله الملك يوم ينفخ في الصور عالم الغيب والشهادة وهو الحكيم الخبير

[006:073]  It is He who created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): the day He saith, "Be," behold! it is. His word is the truth. His will be the dominion the day the trumpet will be blown. He knoweth the unseen as well as that which is open. For He is the Wise, well acquainted (with all things).

‏16:40 انما قولنا لشئ اذا اردناه ان نقول له كن فيكون

[016:040]  For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, "Be", and it is.

‏19:35 ماكان لله ان يتخذ من ولد سبحانه اذا قضى امرا فانما يقول له كن فيكون

[019:035]  It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

"They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: 'The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)' (The Noble Quran, 17:85)"

[097:004]  Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's Command, on every errand:

This World we call in Islam "Aalam Al-Amr" (عالم الأمر) or the World of the Command of GOD Almighty, where everything in it was Created by a Simple Command from GOD Almighty of BE and THEY WERE.

The Bible too speaks about Spirits, and interestingly, the Spirit of FEARING GOD will rest upon Jesus, the Servant of GOD Almighty:

Isaiah 11:1-3
"1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;"

For ample more details and proofs, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/holy_spirit.htm


3-  And there is Alam Al-Khalq (عالم الخلق) or the World of Creation.  This is where the water and dust, and the flesh and blood creations are.  And this is also where the SELF (nafs) and the SPIRIT (rouh), two seperate beings, enter into our fleshes to make us Humans.  This is also where we carry the Attributes of GOD Almighty in Islam, or as the Bible puts it, this is where we have become the Image of GOD Almighty, or were created in the Image of GOD Almighty. 

I talked about SELF (nafs) and SPIRIT (rouh) in great details in the past on this blog.  For ample more details, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,650.msg1523.html#msg1523

http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm



And what is Jesus' End or Last?

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ must inherit the earth from GOD Almighty by crushing all evil on it, forever.  Jesus is the HEIR OF GOD ALMIGHTY only on earth and nothing more.  The Bible makes this abdundantly clear.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

The Bible also calls all believers as the HEIRS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.  So Jesus' Last or End is when the Lord Jesus Christ defeats the army of the anti-Christ, and establishes the Kingdom of GOD Almighty here on Earth while the earth and the Universe lasts, and before DEATH comes upon all creations:

[003:185]  Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.

According to Islam, everything that was ever created and made by Allah Almighty will and must taste death.  They must go through death.  Only Allah Almighty doesn't die and never dies, and will never die.

I ask Allah Almighty that this helps to clarify the blasphemous trinity confusions.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum my dear brother Tariq,

I don't know what we would've done without you, akhi.  Hehehehhe .  I got very used to your bumps that after I make a post, I go to sleep for a while to wait for you to wake me up .  Thank you for help us to push ourselves.  I appreciate it dear brother.

Hi brother,

God bless you all. I would just like to quickly reply to one of your points: that "God is one in all believers".  I am afraid you have misinterpreted this passage completely.

John 17:21,22
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

This verse is saying that all the believers should be as one. What does it mean for the believers to be one?

Peace be upon you my dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

All I needed to do to thoroughly silence this blasphemy that you wrote, and believe in, was simply emphasise a couple of quotes from your writings.  Do you even see how ridiculous and stupid trinity is?  I mean, we're not talking about here some straight forward and clear texts that your Bible has about Jesus being MY CREATOR, and here me the blasphemous Muslim rejecting them.  No, we're talking about your polytheist and pagan people inventing insults and blasphemies on GOD Almighty.  Let us take a look at a few simple points here:

1-  The Believers are to be one in each others and in Jesus and in GOD Almighty EXACTLY GOD Almighty and Jesus are also one in mission and purpose.  I have no idea how you missed that my dear one.

2-  The Glory that GOD Almighty gave to Jesus??  Do you even understand what you read, my brother?  If Jesus was your Creator, then how could GLory be GIVENNNN to him?  It would've been part of him from eternity.  The fact that it was given to Jesus proves that Jesus was a mere creation of GOD Almighty, my beloved brother.


An Amazing Blasphemy!

And I have already proven in my thorough refutations above, that this whole thing about Jesus' Kingdom, Power and Might, and him being the Heir of GOD, and the Authority that was given to him by GOD Almighty, are all limited and contained to planet earth ONLY, according to the Bible itself, and that Jesus had to have all of this might, power, miracles and authority because HE HAD TO BE A MATCH to the Jews' heighest priest, Melchizedek, who had no begining and end, nor had he father or mother.

I find it quite interesting here that Melchizedek being Eternal, and not having a begining nor an end, nor was he born from any father or mother, nor did he have any father or mother is not literal to you from the Bible, but Jesus and the Father are One in purpose and mission has to mean that Jesus is our Creator.  I truly find that to be quite an amazing trinitarian blasphemy and absurdity.

To the reader, please see my refutations above for ample Biblical verses on Melchizedek and many other points.

And I have already proven in my thorough refutations above, that "THE FATHER" in the Bible means the Al-Knowing GOD Almighty, according to how the Bible defined it.

And I have already proven in my thorough refutations above, that "The Son" means Righeous and Blessed Servant and Creation of GOD Almighty, also according to how the Bible defined it.

Acts 4:32
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

Lord Jesus said that he and the Father are one -

John 10:30
30 I and the Father are one.”

If you read John 17:21-22 carefully, it is saying that the believers should all be one just as Jesus and God are one.

This further proves my point and refutes yours, my dear brother.

Clearly, this does not mean that the believers are all literally one person  but that they are of one heart and mind.

So why do you then want to force the same statement on Jesus and GOD Almighty to be literal, and to mean that Jesus is your Creator?  Why can't you humble yourself (arrogant, bold and daring towards GOD, and humble towards humans is what Christians are) before GOD Almighty and not force nonsensical reading and blasphemies into the simple text?

There verses later that say that the believers should be one in God and Jesus (that they also may be one in us). Unless the spirit of God is in them and is helping them, it is impossible for people to always be completely of one heart and mind. I.e. unless they are walking in God's path, they cannot be one. Therefore, when we look at the passages, we can see that Jesus and the Father are one and the believers should all be one. I hope you can see the difference - the Bible does not say that believers and God are one but it says that Jesus and God are one.

I will reply to the rest of your post in the next few days, if it is God's will.

Let us humble ourselves before Almighty God, His steadfast love and mercy endure forever.

Praise the Lord

May Allah Almighty continue to lead you and lead the reader more and more towards Islam, and may Allah Almighty open your heart to Islam and have you convert someday.  Ameen.


Did you know that it's not ELOH-IM?  It's ALLAH!

My beloved, Allah Almighty had sent you here to test you.  There is a purpose and a reason why you and I are having this discussion.  I am very sorry if I ever offended you.  I just sincerely hope and pray to Allah Almighty that you see that you're being called by GOD Almighty to embrace Islam.  Islam is the Original Faith.  And Islam came to the Arabs (fresh and had no previous and corrupt scriptures) to restore the original Faith.  The original Believers from Adam and Noah and others were always called Muslims, according to your own Scriptures in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek.  Other ancient Scriptures also outside the Bible have the same claim.  And Islam had started with Adam and ended with Muhammad, peace be upon all of the Messengers and Prophets of Allah Almighty. 

And last and definitely not least, Did you know that Elohim is Allah?  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following links for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

www.answering-christianity.com/allah.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/allah6.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

Consider these points and take them to heart as you type your next response.

Take care dear brother,
Osama Abdallah

As'salamu Alaikum my dear brother Zulfiqar,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns akhi.  I am not sure if you're familiar with the history my website, but I used to be a big enemy for Wahabies.  I am not saying that you are my dear brother.  But I personally used to see the restrictions as something repulsive.  However, quite honestly, I had a big change of heart after that.  Man is evil and is stupid.  Not dumb, but very stupid and evil.  You give them an inch, they want 10 meters more of greed and evil.

I myself am 100% for the Mutawwa System (this is where four or so men walk around in random places making sure that everything is in order.  They're not police, but they're upheld by the Law).  My dear brother, if you know that the law prohibits you from playing music in public, then you should follow it.  Every country on this earth has laws that might look weird.  I read on Yahoo a year ago about the weirdest laws in some of the US States.

My sister and her husband and childern live in Kuwait.  Kuwait just passed a law last year prohibiting any person from pointing their mobile phones at anyone, especially women.  The fine could go up to $500 Kuwait Dinars (A Kuwaiti Dina is worth 3.5 to 4.0 US Dollars).  The reason for this law is because punks at the malls used to take snap shots of girls and women from the back.  As you know, the Gulf Countries are rich, and they have many Westerners and other Foreigners there.  So not all women there would be dressed modestly in the traditional Arab dresses for women.  So to crack down on them, the government passed this Law.  Quite honestly, I am 1 TRILLION PERCENT for laws of this kind that enforce by law and by force chastity and modety and order in the Muslim society.  I don't want us to ever westernize.  I lived in the US most of my life, and while it's the Greatest Country in the entire World in many ways, but when it comes to chastity and modesty it is among the worst!  And Europe is defintely the WORST! 

We just came from Italy for vacation last year.  Did you know that men and women share bathrooms over there in resturaunts and public places??  That's right.  No men-only bathrooms and women-only bathrooms.  It's ONE BATHROOM for both genders.  At least here in the USA we don't have that.  Also, the hotel that we stayed in had the bathroom walls as transparent glass!  You could see right throw it!!  Good thing we had bed sheets there.  AND THIS IS NOT EVEN A MILE AWAY FROM THE VATICAN!!!!!  So much for their "Christian Mecca" garbage.

So I say to those who want to modernize us (and again dear brother, I am not saying that you are saying that here), I tell them to please take a second serious look at Islam and Islam's values.  We are the BEST when it comes to modesty and chastity.  Let's enforce it and always keep it alive.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

There is progress on the Donald Trump and Bill Maher case: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/donald-trump-bill-maher-feud-courts-89073.html.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Dear Brother Osama,

Apologies for the late reply.

Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 25, 2013, 11:52:24 AM

Jesus is one in the Father.  Yes.  But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father [2].  Why did you ignore this part?  Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?

Could you please clarify which verse you are referring to that says believers and God are one?  Jesus said that he and the Father are one. [John 10:30 - I and the Father are one The Bible does say that God will live in those who love and obey Him and put his Spirit in them.
John 14:23 - Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Ezekiel 36:26 - I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

My dear brother Jesus.breadoflife, it is beyond clear that you are a victim of the paganism and blasphemy of trinity.  One thing that I really humbly want to ask you, and that is to actually read the sources that I give you, because I believe everything about the blasphemy of trinity had been soundly refuted in the arguments and links that I gave above.

Regarding all in GOD Almighty are One, and GOD Almighty is One in all Believers, EXACTLY AS JESUS AND GOD ARE ONE, here is the verse:

John 17
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21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

A Plea to All Christians:

I ask you and ask every Christian in the Holy Name of GOD Almighty to actually READ your entire New Testament from Matthew to Revelation!  Picking verses off of pamphlets or  "cheat-sheets" that are handed to you by missionaries to quote verses left and right from them, and make baseless arguments will only doom you to Hell.  Not saying that Jesus.breadoflife is doing that here.  But the shallow and out-of-context arguments that trinitarians continue to present are just too pathetic, and also demonstrate their lack of knowledge about their own Scriptures by the wholesale.  I wouldn't be exaggerating if I say that it is a case of the blind leading the blind, or (sorry to say that) the dumb leading the dumb!  As Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

[002:018]  Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

[002:171]  The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat- herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

[017:097]  It is he whom God guides, that is on true Guidance; but he whom He leaves astray - for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgment We shall gather, them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase from them the fierceness of the Fire.

GOD Almighty is ONE and ABSOLUTE ONE.  Jesus Christ is not even a bacteria when compared to GOD Almighty!  Jesus and all of the Prophets and EVERY THING created in the Universe are less than a microscopic bacteria when compared to GOD Almighty.  Jesus was no more than a GOD-FEARING Servant:

Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;"

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm to see the Spirit of GOD Almighty coming down upon many of the Righeous Believers.  But it is amazing that the Bible says that the spirit of FEARING GOD will rest upon Jesus, and yet we find pagans calling him the Creator of the Universe!

A dangerous mix of ignorance and blasphemy and inheritance of ancient 3-headed pagan religions that your fathers had and worshiped all mixed and blended together, which is what the polytheist trinitarian paganism and blasphemy is all about today.

Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God in the Bible. The Bible does not speak of any other only begotten Sons of God. Worship in the Bible does not mean to simply bow down before someone. Worshipping of the Lord comes from your spirit and it is giving praise to the almighty creator.

I already refuted this blasphemy in my rebuttal in the previous post.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm.  Here are few examples:

Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."

Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."

And in Genesis, where it speaks about Religions and people millions of years before Judaism, every Believer was also called SON OF GOD!  Also Angels were called Sons of GOD Almighty, and that they slept with the "daughters of men" and caused for giants to be born on earth.

Again, Jesus had to match Melchizedek:

Furthermore, like I mentioned, everything about Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, had to be this way (him being powerful, miraculous, born out of a virgin, mighty), because he had to at least match up to the Jews' Highest Priest Melchizedek who had no beginning and no end, and no father and no mother, and he was mighty and miraculous.

Furthermore, all of Jesus' miracles were performed by other Prophets in the Old Testament.  Please visit my previous post for all of the references.

Also as I already elaborated on in my previous post, "Son of GOD" means the Servant of GOD Almighty, and a pious Believer who has the Likeness of GOD Almighty:

Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,

You are obviously a victim of the trinitarian blasphemeis.  It's really not that difficult to see from the New Testament how Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, is only a creation of GOD Almighty.

I do not wish to drag this too long, because I have a lot of things to do.  But all of your points above had been soundly and thoroughly refuted at: www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm.



Jesus and the Father are One:

Jesus is one in the Father.  Yes.  But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father [2].  Why did you ignore this part?  Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?



"Son of GOD" Title:

As to Jesus being the so-called "only begotten son of GOD Almighty", yes, and go to the Old Testament to see the other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF GOD ALMIGHTY!  And even the Bible itself defines Son of GOD to mean a Righteous Believer and Servant of GOD Almighty.  Also, Jesus Chist reduced his "Son of GOD" title to be even BELOW the "God" (Elohim) title that is given to every single Believer.  The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for ample proofs from the NT.

As to Jesus being worshiped, you know very well that many others in the Old Testament were "worshiped" and bowed down to.  Worshiped in the Bible means to bow to the chosen leader or master and follow him.  It doesn't to pray to him or to worship him as GOD Almighty is Worshiped!  Again, are you trying to fool or mislead the reader with trinity-lies and blasphemies??



Definition of "The Father":

Furthermore, did you know that "Father" in Hebrew means The Supreme GOD Who Knows Everything?  Rabbis and Priests in the Bible and in Judaism are called "Father".  This is where Roman Catholics get the "Father" title for their Priests from.  This is also where Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called "Everlasting Father" [1] (Highest Priest or Rabbi or Teacher for being the Messiah and King of the Jews and all Earth) in Isaiah 9:6 [1] [2] [3] [4] comes from.  GOD Almighty being "The Father" means that GOD Almighty is the Supreme and All Knowing GOD Almighty of the Universe.  That's what Father means.  And Son means the Righteous Believer and Follower of GOD Almighty [1].

And again, Jesus Christ being called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty, because throughout the Bible, the Righteous Believers are all called "God" (Elohim) and "Sons of God".  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for ample proofs.

The reason why Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called MIGHTY God was because he is the Messiah, and the King of the Jews, and the coming Ruler of the entire Earth who will crush the anti-Christ.  He is the heir of all earth, and ONLY THE EARTH according to the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.  So he is no mere God.  He is a Mighty God.  But he is NOT the Creator of the Universe.  Besides, many Prophets and Angels were also given Mighty Godly Names similar to the one given to Christ.  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm for ample proofs.

Furthermore, the Bible declares that GOD Almighty created us in His Image.  The Bible further defines being in the "Image of GOD" means having the Attributes of GOD Almighty that He, the Almighty, Has put in us, humans.  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm for ample details and proofs.  This is another reason why GOD Almighty is symbolically called "The Father".  He is the Supreme GOD Almighty who created man in His Image, by giving him some of His Divine Attributes:

Genesis 1:26-27
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 3:5)"

"and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.  (From the NIV Bible, Ephesians 4:24)"

"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.   (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 7:1)"

"On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them.  (From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 12:8 )"

Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm for ample more details and proofs.



Jesus had to match Melchizedek:

And furthermore, did you know that Jesus Christ had to be this way (miraculous, has authority, and is powerful), because he needed to match up with Melchizedek?  Melchizedek had no father and no mother (Jesus at least had a mother), and he was the Highest Jewish Priest.  And he was Eternal.  Jesus had to at least be equal to Melchizedek.  See: Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20:

Genesis 14:18
18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,


Psalm 110:4
4 The Lord has sworn
    and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
    in the order of Melchizedek.”


Hebrews 5:6-10
6 And he says in another place,

“You are a priest forever,
    in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]

7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.


Hebrews 6:20
20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.


Hebrews 7:1-20
Melchizedek the Priest
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”

3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!
5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.
6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater.
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

Jesus Like Melchizedek
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life (another proof Jesus Christ never died!).
17 For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
    in the order of Melchizedek.”

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,

Again, to the reader, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm



A Brotherly Reminder:

I want to end this reply by reminding you also with the following verses:

Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." 

Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows.  Notice here how "The Father" title was used for the All Knowing GOD Almighty.

Also, if Christ was indeed your Creator, brother Jesus.breadoflife, then JESUS HERE CLEARLY LIED!  If he were GOD Almighty, he would've certainly known when the Hour would come.  Him denying that he had any knowledge about the Hour, while he supposedly knew it, makes him a liar.

Luke 18:19 ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

Trinity is false and a blasphemy.  Islam is the Divine Truth.  Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles!  And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Trinity is another form of the pagan 3-headed god religions:

So again, your belief is paganistic that originated from paganism.  This whole 3-headed god thing is all pagan, and comes from pagan origins.  Hinduism and Europes' pagan religions were all about 3-headed god, and/or 3 gods.  This is where your blapshemous and false trinity comes from.  It's another pagan version of the 3-headed god pagan religions.

John 4:24
24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.’

Jesus is the King of Jews/King of Israel in the, also the Saviour - all in the New Testament.

Mark 15:32 (Lord Jesus is mocked when he is on the cross)
32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.’ Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him

2 Peter 3:18
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

When we looked to the Old Testament, we can see that the terms used to describe God matches this.

Isaiah 44:6
‘This is what the Lord says –
    Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.

Lord Jesus also says of himself that he is the first and last in the New Testament.

Revealation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

There are many such examples which show that Jesus and the Father are one.

Finally, dear brother, there is no need to call me a liar. I know the Bible to be amazing and true. My faith is not paganism or polytheism. My God is one - he is my Father, my rock, my protector, the Spirit who lives in me. Jesus is my Lord and I love him in perfect truth. God loves all of you, we are the work of his hands. Let there be no unpleasantness between us.

God bless you all

First of all, the Book of Revelation was a dream written by a person named "John".  He was neither the desciple John nor John the Baptist.

Second of all, read Revelation 20, 21 and then 22.  You'll see clear distinctions between GOD Almighty, Jesus Christ, and the Servant-Angel and the rest of the Angels.  Jesus had Angels assigned for him from GOD Almighty.  And Jesus here, in this dream, is the beginning and the end here on earth!  The battle with satan, in other words, ends with HIM!  He is the Mighty Messiah that will create the Kingdom of GOD Almighty here on earth.  And as I already proved in my previous post, Jesus' inheritence (him being the heir of GOD Almighty) was ONLY FOR PLANET EARTH AND NOTHING MORE.  The Bible further says that all of the Believers are also the heirs of GOD Almighty.

Read my previous rebuttals.  Start from this thread: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2677.html#msg2677.

May Allah Almighty continue to lead you to Islam.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

(I posted this in my Projects and Research section because it contains new websites that I have acquired)

As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Not sure if you all heard of it, but Donald Trump is suing comedian Bill Maher for $5 million dollars over his challenge on the Jay Leno show to pay Donald Trump $5 million dollars if the latter could prove that he wasn't the son of an Orangutan (a monkey).  This was the former's response to the latter's challenge to US-President Barack Obama to produce his college transcripts to the public, and in turn, Donald Trump was going to pay $5 million dollars to charity of the President's choice.

Anyway, in response to all of this, I have decided to acquire the following websites.  Since this is an unprecedented and historical lawsuit, that also involved the USA's President, then I thought it was worth investing into the following sites to further the cause of Islam, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing):

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Enjoy!

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

So what can we do to stregthen or bodies and/or lose weight

The text is in the images, dear brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

The following images were taken from: http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/list/201303/6-worthless-exercises-you-probably-do#5:













Take care,
Osama Abdallah