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As Muslims, we do not embrace the pedophilia, rape, terrorism and all of the other forms of evil that exist in the Bible, nor do we believe that the Prophets of Allah Almighty, peace and blessings be upon all of them, ever committed such cruel acts that are falsely attributed to them.
We're only exposing the corrupted bible and the evil that exists in it.
Rebuttal to Jochen Katz' 2 Samuel 1:2-16 about justifying David's selective murders:
In my article about King David selectively killing innocent people, Jochen Katz of "Answering Islam" team raised some verses in a hope to refute my points.
Important Note: Without cheap shots or exaggerations, but this article will further expose Jochen Katz' ridiculous bias and cover-ups to the Bible's unjust murders that are listed in great details at the end of this article. You will clearly see why he is a LIAR below. YOU BE THE UNBIASED JUDGE BETWEEN US!
Just a quick note for Mr. Katz about him relying on the foul-mouthed (he is fond on using the f*** word) piece of trash: I don't read most of his emails nor do I pay much attention to him. His emails get deleted as if they were porn or junk emails. Yes, I used to include him in my mass-emails as I include all of my enemies, but I don't have any regard to him nor to his hopeless "rebuttals." He had been badly exposed in the link above, and I exposed his profane manners to the public, which literally wiped the floor with him in front of everyone and completely sealed his fate on the internet. Without pride, but I am glad that I was that one who sealed his big and trash mouth and saved everyone from his herrasements.
Anyway, here are my initial verses that talked about King David's selective murders to innocent people:
2 Samuel 4
1 When Ish-Bosheth son of Saul heard that Abner had died in Hebron, he lost courage, and all Israel became alarmed.
2 Now Saul's son had two men who were leaders of raiding bands. One was named Baanah and the other Recab; they were sons of Rimmon the Beerothite from the tribe of Benjamin-Beeroth is considered part of Benjamin,
3 because the people of Beeroth fled to Gittaim and have lived there as aliens to this day.
4 (Jonathan son of Saul had a son who was lame in both feet. He was five years old when the news about Saul and Jonathan came from Jezreel. His nurse picked him up and fled, but as she hurried to leave, he fell and became crippled. His name was Mephibosheth.)
5 Now Recab and Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, set out for the house of Ish-Bosheth, and they arrived there in the heat of the day while he was taking his noonday rest.
6 They went into the inner part of the house as if to get some wheat, and they stabbed him in the stomach. Then Recab and his brother Baanah slipped away.
7 They had gone into the house while he was lying on the bed in his bedroom. After they stabbed and killed him, they cut off his head. Taking it with them, they traveled all night by way of the Arabah.
8 They brought the head of Ish-Bosheth to David at Hebron and said to the king, "Here is the head of Ish-Bosheth son of Saul, your enemy, who tried to take your life. This day the LORD has avenged my lord the king against Saul and his offspring."
9 David answered Recab and his brother Baanah, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, "As surely as the LORD lives, who has delivered me out of all trouble,
10 when a man told me, 'Saul is dead,' and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!
11 How much more-when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed-should I not now demand his blood from your hand and rid the earth of you!"
12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner's tomb at Hebron.
As you can clearly see, King David in 2 Samuel 4:10 appears to be quite an arrogant person who selectively kills innocent people as he wishes. Now let us look at Mr. Katz' verses that supposedly refute 2 Samuel 4:10 above:
2 Samuel 1
2 On the third day a man arrived from Saul's camp, with his clothes torn and with dust on his head. When he came to David, he fell to the ground to pay him honor.
3 "Where have you come from?" David asked him. He answered, "I have escaped from the Israelite camp."
4 "What happened?" David asked. "Tell me." He said, "The men fled from the battle. Many of them fell and died. And Saul and his son Jonathan are dead."
5 Then David said to the young man who brought him the report, "How do you know that Saul and his son Jonathan are dead?"
6 "I happened to be on Mount Gilboa," the young man said, "and there was Saul, leaning on his spear, with the chariots and riders almost upon him.
7 When he turned around and saw me, he called out to me, and I said, 'What can I do?'
8 "He asked me, 'Who are you?' " 'An Amalekite,' I answered.
9 "Then he (Saul) said to me, 'Stand over me and kill me! I am in the throes of death, but I'm still alive.'
10 "So I stood over him and killed him, because I knew that after he had fallen he could not survive. And I took the crown that was on his head and the band on his arm and have brought them here to my lord."
11 Then David and all the men with him took hold of their clothes and tore them.
12 They mourned and wept and fasted till evening for Saul and his son Jonathan, and for the army of the LORD and the house of Israel, because they had fallen by the sword.
13 David said to the young man who brought him the report, "Where are you from?" "I am the son of an alien, an Amalekite," he answered.
14 David asked him, "Why were you not afraid to lift your hand to destroy the LORD's anointed?"
15 Then David called one of his men and said, "Go, strike him down!" So he struck him down, and he died.
16 For David had said to him, "Your blood be on your own head. Your own mouth testified against you when you said, 'I killed the LORD's anointed.' "
Before we continue, it is important to know that David and Saul had animosity with each others and they were going after each others. Later on, they reconciled and became friends again.
Read the entire chapter of 1 Samuel 24.
It is beyond question that David's army or entire tribe did not know about the reconciliation between him and Saul. This is quite apparent in the ignorance of David's men in 2 Samuel 4:10,12 and 2 Samuel 1:9,10,15 above.
The men saw no problem in killing Saul and his son. Not only that, but they even rushed to give David the "GOOD NEWS"!!
So what did David do to them? Instead of being just and forgiving the ignorant soldiers for their unintentional "crime", because as far as they were concerned, THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOBS AS LOYAL SOLDIERS TO DAVID, who he himself was an enemy to Saul in the past, for they knew NOT, he decided to annihilate them in the most brutal way!! He maimed their bodies and killed them. He also hung their bodies after he cut their hands and feet! It is not even clear from the text above whether they were hanged alive or dead. It is quite possible that they were hung alive after their hands and feet were all cut off.
Since David's animosity to Saul was the REAL reason for Saul and his son's death, did David kill himself also as a punishment?
No!! Instead, he killed the IGNORANT soldiers who only did their job!!
Also, as clearly shown in 2 Samuel 4:10 above, David seemed to have quite an arrogant attitude to a level where he would kill if his "feelings" were violated! Let's read the verse again:
2 Samuel 4:10
when a man told me, 'Saul is dead,' and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!
That was the reward he gave him for his good news?? Is this how you speak about dead people? Remember that this is the Bible we're talking about here and not a book that its pages are supposed to be toilet papers!! I don't see the Wisdom in the great arrogance and injustice that David played in the above scenarios.
You, the Jewish or Christian reader, can be as biased and ridiculous as you want, but the Truth is the Truth!
The Truth here is that David used brutal maiming and killing to innocent, loyal and most importantly IGNORANT soldiers of his!! Yes, Mr. Katz still insists on defending this ridiculous injustice from his Bible. This is clearly and indisputably making Jochen Katz himself a preposterous liar because he knows better. He also had been soundly exposed at:  . Not only that, but he still refuses to accept the below list of Pedophilia, Murders and Terrorism from his Bible and insists on insulting Islam unjustly through the papers on his site that were written by him and the rest of his team of clowns.
He's too arrogant to accept the Truth. But that's no problem with me, because I will gladly continue to annihilate him and expose his preposterous lies and ridiculous bias to hopelessly cover-up the Bible's pedophilia, murders and terrorism, to the public. Anyway, here is the list:
Aisha in Islam:
1- See proofs, in the "Aisha being 9" article, from the Bible about little girls as young as 9 were married off and even sold off by their fathers as slave girls to men who were even older than their fathers.
2- See also irrefutable proofs that pedophilia and terrorism exist in the Bible. During the Mosaic times in the Bible's Old Testament, 3-year old slave girls were literally forced into sex under Moses' Orders and Command. You sometimes have to read things twice to believe them!
See also: Maiming of the enemies' bodies in the Bible. Cutting the hands and feet of the enemies in the Bible, and hanging their live bodies on trees until they DIE.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.
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had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got
crucified or not.
Early Christians' Doctrines confirm Jesus DID NOT GET crucified. See proofs that the early Christians' scriptures during the 1st and 2nd centuries claimed that GOD Almighty Saved Jesus from crucifixion.
Quotes from NIV Bible theologians, and Roman Catholic Encyclopedia admitting that the Bible had been corrupt and the original manuscripts had been lost. Also, proofs that it was Constantine and his council who wrote the New Testament with their hands and words around year 300, not Jesus and his original Disciples.
Answering Trinity. See detailed refutations to every single so-called "trinitarian verse" in the Bible. Jesus can not be the Creator of the Universe.
"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources. Allah in Arabic and Aramaic means "The Supreme GOD". Yahweh or Jehovah in Hebrew mean "The Eternal". GOD Almighty's Names are Attributes of Him. They're all the same. They're not just names like "Osama" or "Todd". Jesus by the way used "Allah" when he preached in Aramaic.
Links to 100s of Islamic Web Sites and Pages. You're not just limited to the views and sources that exist my site.
Back to Refutation to the preposterous LIES of Jochen Katz about his Bible not containing inhumane murders from its Prophets!
More deliberate and preposterous lies by Jochen Katz and another clown of his, Quennel Gale! This is the worst hoax of all! The so-called "rebuttal" does not even address ONE POINT from my article!
My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.
Rebuttals to Jochen Katz' articles.
The Dumpster section.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
Pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls in the Bible.
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