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A Counter-Response to Critic Quennel Gale's Rebuttal of Osama Abdallah's Article

Quennel Gale's comments to Osama Abdallah's comments are
in black. Mine are in blue

The scope of this paper is to highlight the several assumptions and logical fallacies of one 
Mr. Quennel Gale, which he presented in his answer to Osama Abdallah's
paper. I will not be refuting every single paragraph in detail,
because Br. Osama have done the job himself. However, what I wish
to point out in this paper is the assumptions and logical
fallacies deployed by the Critic himself to achieve his means,
which had not escaped my attention (there are many others, but
these are the more serious ones). I wish to then let the honest
and sincere reader, not bigoted Christians such as the Critic
himself, to evaluate Br. Osama's statements and re-evaluate the
claims of this Critic that Br. Osama have been using deception to
see if what Br. Osama have stated in his article above is false
or not.

FALLACY 1: The Issue of

The Critic, for the most part of
his argument, brought up the fact that Jesus being called the
"Son" of God is distinguished from others who were
called "Sons" in that Jesus was specifically called as
an "only begotten" son. His argument:

Now lets talk about Osama’s misunderstanding of “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON”. The word for “ONLY” in the Greek language is “MONOGENES” which is defined, as the only one of it’s kind. The reason why Christian apologists can claim this is because we know the meaning of this word “only”. For more information we turn to Strong’s Concordance of the Bible for the word: Monogenes Definition:1. single of its kind, only a. used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents) b.used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God.
John 3:16 and John 1:18 each have the word 'monogenes' in Greek. This word ordinarily means "of a single kind". As a result, "unique" is a good translation. It does not mean "only begotten", it means "only". The reason you sometimes find translations that renders the word as "only begotten" has to do with an ancient heresy within the church. In response to the Arian claim that Jesus was made but not begotten, Jerome (4th century) translated the Greek term 'monogenes' into Latin as "unigenitus" ("only begotten").The Greek term for "begotten" is 'gennao' as found in Mt.1:2, which John did not use. Therefore, Strong's Concordance did not translate the word 'monogenes' correctly for (b), because 'monogenes' means "only" or "unique", not "only begotten". The link to Strong's Concordance on "monogenes" can be found at the following: http://www.biblestudytools.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3439&version=kjv FALLACY 2: The Issue of "Kurios"
Mr. Osama doesn’t have any knowledge of the word lord “Kurios” in Greek. Strong concordance says this about the word when it refers to the Messiah- 1.he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord a. the possessor and disposer of a thing 1.the owner; one who has control of the person, the master. b.is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master c.this title is given to: God, the Messiah. When referring to Jesus, it has always meant a sign of divinity. Since this term has always applied to God and the Messiah and Muslims believe that Christ is the Messiah then this clearly shows just how divine Jesus really is. If Osama wants to teach about Christianity he should go out and purchase a Greek concordance and interlinear text. You don’t have to know Greek to find this stuff out. What do you have to lose Osama?
The editors of the New Testament have created confusion by translating the Greek word 'Theos' (meaning, God) as "Lord" and, the Greek word 'kurios' (meaning, Master, Owner, Head of a house) as "Lord", as well. For those who consider Jesus to be God, it may not make any difference, but for the rest it does. The link to Strong's Concordance on the word 'kurios' can be found at the following: http://www.biblestudytools.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2962&version=kjv And the link to Strong's Concordance on 'theos' can be found at: http://www.biblestudytools.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2316&version=kjv As for the argument that calling Jesus "Messiah" means that he has Divinity, I invite the reader to read my article refuting this claim: http://members.xoom.com/lordexarkun/Islam/almaseeh.html FALLACY 3: The Issue of "Royal Plural"
Osama's comments in green:
If the
word "us" in the book of Genesis is refering to Trinity
as trinitanians believe, then how come people back then were not
Trinitanians? How come the concept of Trinity was born 2300 years
after the book of Genesis? More than 1/3 of The Holy Quran (The
  Muslims' Holy Book) talks about Allah Almighty (GOD).Allah
Almighty in numerous verses says "We" about himself.
  Muslims today believe in One GOD and don't believe in Trinity.
Jews also believe in One GOD and not in Trinity, even though in
their Holy Books such as the Talmud, GOD refers to Himself as
"We" and not "I". 

My dear friend, you must first
study the languages of Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic before you (as
a trinitanian) start corrupting the Old Testament's real meanings.
I think this would be a sin!

I totally agree with Mr. Osama about studying
languages of Hebrew. Unfortunately this idea of Plural of
intensification isn’t known in ancient Hebrew and is a
modern explanation based on the sayings of Queen Victoria, who
spoke English!! In ancient cultures of the Middle East, the Kings
or people in high positions in the Bible said “I” when
referring to themselves not “WE”. Don’t believe me
then read Daniel when Nebcudnezzer spoke. I wrote an article on
this matter and first showed a Hebrew expert I knew and he couldn’t
really prove that there was a plural of majesty, etc. I will add
it on at a later date.

The Critic's statement only goes
to show how much he knows about Semitic languages - a near zero.
In the Qur'an (Arabic), Allah sometimes refer to Himself as
"We" - a majestic plural, which Hebrew and Aramaic
certainly has. I am interested to see what proof the Critic
supposedly has and I will certainly be ready to refute it with
what resources I currently have.

FALLACY 4: Misunderstanding of John 10:30

What Osama doesn’t tell his reader is that Christians look on Jesus as a servant too, but he doesn’t show the claims of Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Just look at John 10:31-33: 30 I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Jesus himself said this and they stoned him. So for Osama to say that Jesus wasn’t God because of this matter is fallible since Jesus claimed to be both a servant and God.
So the Critic believes the Jews' claim more than Jesus! We need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying, 'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God ' " (John 10:33).   Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36). Therefore, Jesus is saying that just as the Jews called those who are sanctified by 'The Father', "gods", so too does Jesus have the right to be called "a son of God" FALLACY 5: The Critic's Straw Man Argument
Osama's comments in green:
Let us
look at John 5:31 "If I (Jesus) alone bear witness about
myself, my witness is not true. There is another that bears
witness about me, and I know that the witness which he bears
about me is true." Here we also see that Jesus admits and
preaches to his followers that he is not powerful. The only
powerful is GOD, his GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD  forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Jesus never mentioned anything about power. Mr. Osama
is trying to develop a straw man argument and then refute it to
show his reader that Jesus wasn’t powerful. However, talking
about a witness is totally different than power. The Greek word
for power is “dhynami”, which isn’t present at all
in this verse. 

The Critic Quennel Gale is
correct in asserting that this verse is not talking about power.
However, I do not think that this is a straw man argument,
because Br. Osama is trying to relate this verse to a previous
one, which shows the distinction between God and Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD  forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). 

In this verse, we can clearly
see that Jesus is saying that SOMEONE ELSE is bearing witness
over him and if that SOMEONE ELSE is not bearing witness over him,
his witness alone would render his statements true. One only has
to ask a very basic question: "If Jesus is God, why would he
say that he needs SOMEONE ELSE to bear witness over him? Doesn't
that mean that SOMEONE ELSE has a higher authority over him,
someone POWERFUL over him?"

When seen in this context, Br.
Osama's argument is not a straw man argument after all, it is
merely an interpolation of the original one, perhaps.

The Statement here (5:31) might be paraphrased as follows ‘If I testify about myself, you will say my testimony is not valid.’ Against the charge our Lord, in defending his messianic claims urges the biblical rule of evidence which requires two or three witnesses (Num. 35:30; DT. 17:6; Jn 8:17-18). The additional witnesses are cited in vs. 32-47.” (IBID). Jesus had to have a witness in order to go along with the rules set by God in the OT.
I think the Critic is trying to create a straw man's argument here. Jesus has made no reference that he is talking about the prophecy of Scriptures about his coming. To validate his argument, the Critic should produce a verse in this Chapter 5 of the Gospel of John that Jesus is indeed making a reference to the prophecies about his coming.
It’s amazing how Muhammad never had a single witness to verify his alleged call at the cave. This disqualifies him from being a prophet based on God’s rules.
So, are you saying that Muhammad's call at the Cave of Hira' is not mentioned in the Bible? Please read Isaiah 29:12 (read verses 11 through 18 for full context), the Critic will be amazed, for sure. Since I do not wish to create a straw man's argument here as the Critic have done, I will not go into detail about the stated prophecy about Muhammad (pbuh). The reader, however, is free to e-mail me to discuss about this prophecy and many other prophecies about the coming of Muhammad s.a.w. which can be found at my site in this link. FALLACY 6: The Critic's argumentum ad hominem
Osama's comments in green:
I would
like to take this apportunity to thank you very much for taking
the time to read my paper. I wish it was helpful and useful for
you in your journey in seeking and learning about the truth of
the Almighty God (Luke 2:52: GOD  forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). May God bless you all the way.

Mr. Osama flat out lies about
Psalms 45:3 and 2 Samuel. These are the many things present in
his paper. I am glad that I read it to discover his covering up
of the truth.

And I am glad that I read his to
see the means he tries to justify to achieve his ends. The Critic
is commiting the fallacy of argumentum ad
hominem, or name-calling in other words, to
Br. Osama. The Critic has no warrant to substantiate his claim
and as I have laid out above, has himself commited many logical
fallacies himself. 

FALLACY 7: The Critic's Fallacy
of Equivocation

I will add more articles in the future. To see how Allah is actually mice read this link - http://www.geocities.com/queball23/AllahAkbar.htm
This is actually a deviant from the main Issue, but I wish to answer it in brief. To his claim that "Akbar" means mice, to sum up his whole article which I have read, I will answer this argument when I have the time, Insya-Allah. What I wish to add here is that the Critic's fundamental argument is already flawed to begin with. Just because the word "Akbar" in Ancient Chaldee language originally mean "mice", that does not abrogate the fact that "Akbar" have evolved to mean "Great" in Arabic. For example, in my mother tongue (Bahasa Melayu), the word "kitab", the word being borrowed from Arabic, is primarilly used for "Scripture". The Muslim Malaysians call the Qur'an "Kitab Allah". However, I am made to understand that the original meaning of the word "kitab" covers not only "Scriptures", but also encompasses other meanings too. In this same way, even if what the Critic say is true, i.e. that "Akbar" originally means "mice", it does not change the fact that the Arabs use the word "Akbar" for the word "Great". The word "Injeel" is primarily used for the Gospel of God sent to Jesus, but originally meant "Good News" (from Gr: Evangelion). And as I have said, even if the argument of the Critic is found to be correct, then what can he say about the 6 - 10 million Christians living in the Middle East, who speak Arabic and use the word "Akbar" to mean Great? I suppose when they say the word "Akbar", they really mean that they are mice? Being a bigoted Westerner, the Critic sadly has no respect for those who are of the same faith as him. Just as Dr. Morey before him have tried to "prove" that the word "Allah" is the name of a moon-god, so is the Critic using the same method of trying to "prove" that the word "Akbar" mean mice. And I suppose just as the Arab Christians who are worshipping "Allah", are worshipping a "Moon-god", so too is the Critic asserting that they (Arab Christians) are calling the God of the Bible "mice" whenever they wish to praise Him as "Great"? The reader can read my refutation to the Moon-god lie by Dr. Morey by clicking here. The Critic here has committed here what in logic is known as the fallacy of eqivocation. He takes a term which meant one thing in a certain context and the same term which means another thing in a new context and pretends that since the term is the same the meaning is also the same. He argues that the word "Akbar "of the Ancient Chaldee is used to meant "mice", and the word "Akbar" is also used by the Arabs, therefore the word share the same meaning in these languages. To see how this fallacy works, consider this argument for illustration:
This argument of course is not
true. Now let us consider the Critic's argument:

So the Critic implies that
"Akbar" is
therefore "mice". But this is no more true than to say
that Christians believe in the Japanese emperor.


The reader can judge for himself
the methods deployed by the Critic to achieve his ends. I have
certainly not and would not stoop so low to the level of the
Critic to deploy misunderstandings and logical fallacies such as ad
hominem arguments. I leave it to the reader
who it is who is really biased and bigoted in his assessment.

Peace to those who seek the
Truth of God.




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From Me, Osama Abdallah:  Please visit my third rebuttal to Answering Islam's rebuttal: Part 3.   You will see how deceiving the team of Answering Islam really are by ignoring 70% of my original paper's points.






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Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind.  For example:

1-  The root letters for "message" and all of its derivatives occur 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran.  Yet, the Prophets' and Messengers' actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran.  See detailed listing here.

  See 1,000s of examples! [1]. (zip file).

Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]


2-  Allah Almighty said that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years.  Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah (chapter Noah) is exactly written in 950 Letters.  You can thoroughly see the accurate count in the scanned images.

3-  Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran said that earth is:

       -  Spherical: "egg-shaped" [1].
       -  Is rotating around itself.
       -  Is moving in space in curvy orbits [2].
       -  Is traveling through the constantly expanding universe [3].

"When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
As we also see from the picture, Noble Verse 55:37 is a Divine Promise (Allah promised to show mankind) that mankind will actually see this come to pass one day.  NASA and other space agencies, by Allah Almighty's Will, have certainly fulfilled this Prophecy, because a natural rose wouldn't form when a "Heaven" or a Solar System or even an entire galaxy and its
trillions of solar systems all blow up (explode).  It is rather the look of it, and this is exactly what NASA confirms.


Coincidence?  See 1,000s of examples [1].Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

Islam also thoroughly rejects as man-made lies the Trinity and Crucifixion [2].  Jesus was also thoroughly called
slave of GOD [1] in both the OT and NT.

Quran:  All Bibles are mostly of corrupt [1] قول   (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed).  See also the 39+ members of trinity.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.


John 5:30  "I cannot do anything on my own."  (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!).  I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!!  I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty!

John 5:31  "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!" 

GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses.  GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient!  Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims  (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more";    ; Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40)  Muslims do everyday, and prayed to GOD Almighty.