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My rebuttal to Jochen Katz' "The Qur'an and the flight of birds" article:

The sections of this article are:

1-  The Divine Claim in Noble Verse 16:79.   No error found in the original Arabic!
2-  The metaphoric speech and many metaphoric Verses in the Noble Quran and the Bible.
3-  The Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran.
4-  The ample scientific, textual and historical errors and contradictions in the Bible.
5-  Conclusion.

 

 

 

1-  The Divine Claim in Noble Verse 16:79:

Jochen Katz in his article claimed that Noble Verse 16:79 contains some "scientific errors" regarding the birds' ability to fly.  Let us examine the Noble Verse in good details.  Below we'll see that the Arabic Word could also mean that Allah Almighty Special-Designed the birds to enabled the them to fly in the air as ships float in the sea.


Allah Almighty Said:

"Do they not look at the birds, held poised (musakhakharatin) in the midst of (the air and) the sky? Nothing holds them up but (the power of) God. Verily in this are signs for those who believe.  (The Noble Quran, 16:79)"

It is often claimed by Muslims that the non-Arabic translations of the Noble Quran does the Holy Book no justice!  This Noble Verse is a good example of that.

The Arabic key word here that we must look at is musakhkharatin or musakhkharat.   The word is derived from the root word "sakhkhara", which means:

 

  1. To dedicate something as a resource for a task.
  2. To preserve or hold special sources for accomplishing something.
  3. To enable or to cause for a creation to do something for another creation.
  4. To subject something for something else.

 

Let us look at few examples where the root word "sakhkhara" was used in the Noble Quran:

"It is He Who has made (sakhkhara) the sea subject, that ye may eat thereof flesh that is fresh and tender, and that ye may extract therefrom ornaments to wear; and thou seest the ships therein that plough the waves, that ye may seek (thus) of the bounty of God and that ye may be grateful.  (The Noble Quran, 16:14)"

"Seest thou not that God has made (sakhkhara) subject to you (men) all that is on the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command? He withholds the sky (rain) from failing on the earth except by His leave: for God is Most Kind and Most Merciful to man.  (The Noble Quran, 22:65)"

"Do ye not see that God has subjected to your (use) (sakhkhara) all things in the heavens and on earth, and has made his bounties flow to you in exceeding measure, (both) seen and unseen? Yet there are among men those who dispute about God, without knowledge and without guidance, and without a Book to enlighten them!  (The Noble Quran, 31:20)"

"In order that ye may sit firm and square on their backs, and when so seated, ye may celebrate the (kind) favour of your Lord, and say, "Glory to Him Who has subjected (sakhkhara) these to our (use), for we could never have accomplished this (by ourselves),  (The Noble Quran, 43:13)"

"It is God Who has subjected (sakhkhara) the sea to you, that ships may sail through it by His command, that ye may seek of his Bounty, and that ye may be grateful.  (The Noble Quran, 45:12)"


As the reader clearly sees, the root word "sakhkhara" was used for subjecting things for us humans.  The creations that GOD Almighty talked about in the above Noble Verses were all put under our service so that we may use them as freely as we wish without restrictions.

The Noble Verse in question, "Do they not look at the birds, held poised (musakhakharatin) in the midst of (the air and) the sky? Nothing holds them up but (the power of) God. Verily in this are signs for those who believe.  (The Noble Quran, 16:79)", is not talking about a Scientific Miracle in the Noble Quran, because everyone during Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, time knew that birds fly, and they were special-designed to fly.  The Noble Verse was rather speaking about the Glory of GOD Almighty and how Miraculous it is indeed to have birds fly on their own.

The Arabic Word in Noble Verse 16:79 really means "dedicated" or "Designed it specifically for"; that GOD Almighty dedicated the birds for flying as a Sign for the Believers about the existence of GOD Almighty.  

 

There is clearly no scientific error in the Noble Verse!

 

The reason there is no scientific error is because Allah Almighty said the same thing about dedicating the sea for our ships as I already mentioned above:

"It is God Who has subjected (sakhkhara) the sea to you, that ships may sail through it by His command, that ye may seek of his Bounty, and that ye may be grateful.  (The Noble Quran, 45:12)"

Everyone back then knew that wood was the only thing perfect for building ships to enable them to float on water.  Yet, we see Allah Almighty Saying that He subjected the sea for our ships to float on.

 

There is no question that Noble Verse 16:79 is a Metaphoric and Symbolic One.

Otherwise, explain why Allah Almighty used the same Word for ships and seas.

 

 

 

2-  The metaphoric speech and many metaphoric Verses in the Noble Quran and the Bible:

I have documented ample examples of metaphoric speech from both the Noble Quran and the Bible.  The article is too long to paste here, and the Verses are many.   Therefore, please check out the article at:

The metaphoric speech in both the Noble Quran and the Bible.

 

 

 

3-  The Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran:

From www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm:

 

Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

Here are some of my favorite Stunning Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran from among the tens (10s) that are listed in the main sections, below:

1-  Here is one stunning Numerical Miracle, from the 10s below, for you:

The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.

1-  The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
2-  The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.

See the XLS file for 100% confirmation.
  

2-  The Great Miracle.  Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran called the Number 19 Miracle "One of the Mighty Ones (Miracles)" (74:30-37) [1] [2].  See the 100s of Noble Verses that clearly testify to this Great Miracle.  Also, did you know that Allah Almighty Said in Surat Nuh (that's Noble Chapter Nuh (Noah)) that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years among his people. 

Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters [1] [2]!  You can thoroughly see this in the scanned images that thoroughly verify every single Noble Letter, in the links.  Click on the links to see the many other Numerical Miracles in the Holy Quran.  Also, see the Numerical Miracles section along with all of the other great sections.  Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

  
3-  19 X 115 = 2185 Number 19 and BASMALA Miracle.  The total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it.  The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185.  The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran.  It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task.  Again, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article!

  
4-  Please also checkout the many hundreds (100s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles:

  

Quran's STUNNING-Miracles Section: [1]

Click on the following numbers:

1-    Geology, Earth's spherical expansion, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
2-    The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
3-    Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation.

4-    STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  With 1,000s of examples! [4]

5-    Medicine, Humans, Insects and Animals.
6-    Life, Origins of life from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
7-    Psychology.
8-    Archeology and History.
9-    Great Web Sites and Online Books.

10-   Rebuttals.
11-   General articles.

12-   STUNNING Prophecies, and Allah's Divine Promises to reveal the Quran's Miracles.
13-   Audios and Videos.
14-   Other.

  
For example:

1-  The explosion of the Universe, Galaxies and Stars bring about Smoke.
  
"When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (
وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
  

  

The Glorious Quran declares that the earth is spherical: [1]
  
Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran said that earth is:

       -  Spherical: "egg-shaped" [1].
       -  Is rotating around itself.
       -  Is moving in space in curvy orbits [2].
       -  Is in constant motion.
       -  Is suspended in space.
       -  Is swimming in space.
       -  Is traveling through the constantly expanding universe [3].
       -  The sunsetless North Pole miracle in the Glorious Quran [4]. 

  • At the top of the North Pole, the sun never sets, and I showed the video for that, and also quoted the scientific sources for that. Also in the lands near by, it almost never sets either, and I quoted sources for that as well, and also showed pictures of the "polar night" skies on these lands.
  •        -  The Glorious Quran also speaks about many earths [5] and not just earth.
           -  The Glorious Quran predicts
    11 planets in our solar system [6].

      
    This is also all demonstrated in good details in the following
    video file and articles:

    www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm.  I used seven encyclopedic dictionaries:


    This is a picture of the seven encyclopedic dictionaries that I
    used that thoroughly demonstrate the Noble Words that contain
    the Scientific Miracles in them, and how they were used by the
    Arabs of old before and after Islam.  Ample quotations, sayings,
    proverbs and examples quoted from these dictionaries at:
    www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm

      

    5-  The Glorious Quran's Perfect Preservation despite all of the odds and the many challenges to corrupt It.

  • Hafs vs Warsh, and Ahruf vs Qiraat thoroughly compared here.
      
  • Also, the produce Surah like it Quran challenge to all.  Click here.
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    4-  The ample scientific, textual and historical errors and contradictions in the Bible!

    Since Jochen Katz is a Christian, then the question that raises itself is whether or not Katz is willing to take his own Bible to the same challenge or not.  In other words, is Jochen Katz truly a hypocrite or not.

    To the reader and to Mr. Katz, please visit:

    The ample scientific, textual and historical errors and contradictions in the Bible!

     

    Here is a small sample from the many that I provided on my site:

    Consider the following few examples that consist of historical contradictions in the Bible:

    II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700 chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
    I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen

    I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
    I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses

    Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
    Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.

    II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
    I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

    How did Judas die?
    "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matthew 27:5)
    "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18)

    2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
    2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.

    2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
    2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

    26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
    36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1

    How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
    22 in 2 Kings 8:26
    42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2

    Who was Josiah's successor?
    Jehoahaz - 2 Chronicle 36:1
    Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11

    Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible's own theologians and historians.  It's quite hilarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's garbage:

    "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

    The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

    And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, as I quoted above, here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:

    "Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

    "Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

    "The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients.   (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"

    "It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

    "Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

    "The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

    "The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

    "Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"

    "There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

    "Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

    "According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"

    "Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

    "The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"

    "Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"

    etc...

    How do you respond to this?


    Please visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!

    It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors' words as the words of GOD.  This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible's followers.  Please visit "Is the Bible the true word of GOD?" to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers opinions that agree with the Bible's corruption.  I have their personal quotes in that site.

     

     

     

    4-   Conclusion:

    As we've seen above, Noble Verse 16:79 did not contain any scientific errors in it what so ever, because the same Noble Word, "sakhkhara", was used for the seas and ships in Noble Verse 45:12 and in the other Noble Verses that I presented above as well, which clearly proves that Allah Almighty was rather speaking to those who ponder and wonder about how beautiful His Creation and Design is and how He Subjected some of His creations for the service of other creations. 

    The Noble Verse was not speaking about aerodynamics, even though as we clearly saw above, the Arabic Word could also mean that Allah Almighty Special-Designed the birds to enabled them to fly in the air as ships float in the sea.  The Noble Verse was rather speaking about the Glory and the unquestionable existence of GOD Almighty; something that is very difficult for the polytheist trinitarian pagans and the far eastern pagans to fully comprehend, because they have to defile GOD Almighty's Absoluteness and Oneness with man-made gods such as jesus and idols.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Rebuttals to Jochen Katz' articles.

    The Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran section.

    The Dumpster section.

    More deliberate and preposterous lies by Jochen Katz and another clown of his, Quennel Gale!

    Rebuttal to Jochen Katz' 2 Samuel 1:2-16 about justifying David's selective murders.  Further exposing his ridiculous bias and cover-ups to the Bible's unjust murders.

    X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

    Pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls in the Bible.

    Dhul Qarnayn's story.  Sunrise and sunset.  Also Why حمئة and not حاميةٍ.  Dhil Qarnayn's journey is detailed with scientific and geographical maps that are more 1000 years old.

  • The sunsetless North Pole Miracle in the Glorious Quran [1].
  • Sunrise and sunset in the Hadiths.
  • The iron gates of Dhul Qarnayn were found.
  • The overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
  • The North and South Poles, and Prayer and Fasting Times.

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