Quennel Gale: A typical desperate Christian tries to respond but he fails

 

By Ahmed Eldin

 

 

 

 

Gale, the desperate Christian attempted to respond me on the topic “Does being called "Kyrios" really imply Deity?” you can find his refutation here:

 

http://./q_jesus_kurios.html

 

The type that I am going to refute and make him more desperate is that I will respond to his responses in order not to full the text and make it hard for the reader to understand. So I advice first to read his pathetic response to me and then read my response.

 

 

Answering his first response:

 

This desperate Christian fails to realize that I am talking about the word “Lord” in the context of what Jesus said about himself, not in an Islamic context. It is obvious that this Christian kid cannot defend the issue of the “Lord” and he is attacking to me describing me an ignorant Muslim that I do not know about the context of the word “Lord” in the Quran, indeed very funny. If Gale accepts Jesus as Lord and from that concludes that he is his god then he must accept as his gods other biblical prophets because they are described also as lords. Gale continues barking by saying that these prophets are called lords in a different context not in a deity like Jesus. I am asking “so what”? Are they not called Lords?. The context of Jesus lordship must be analyzed from his own words not by others, especially not from the antichrist Paul who corrupted the true teachings of Jesus. I wonder why this kid Gale did not refute the links that I posted about this false Apostle. Read:

 

http://islamic-answers.com/jesus__words_only

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Pauline_Corruption_of_Biblical_Analysis.pdf (a must read)

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Jude_s_Epistle__More_Evidence_of_Rift_Between_
Jerusalem_and_Paul__.pdf

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Was_Paul_or_James__Church_the_more_succesfull_Evangelist.pdf

http://islamic-answers.com/jesus_or_paul_____audio_lecture_

http://islamic-answers.com/christianity

But also we must not forget what Paul himself said about himself.

 

But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.( 2 Corinthians 12:16)

 

This antichrist also said:

 

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? (Romans 3:7)

 

Yes, you are a sinner and a liar.

 

So how can we trust this man? Gale uses the words of Sam Shamoun by saying:

 

It isn’t merely the fact that Jesus is addressed as Kurios that leads Christians to believe he is Yahweh, BUT IN THE MANNER in which the NT writers use this Greek word for Christ that leads them to this conclusion. (http://www../Shamoun/q_jesus_kurios.htm)

As I said I do not care how Paul described Jesus, but I care what Jesus said about himself. Jesus never presented himself as God. In addition, I challenge this kid Gale to present me words from Jesus that says that he is God. Only Paul describes Jesus as God. And again he only tries to describes him as god, he never said, “Jesus is God Almighty” 

 

 

Answering his second response:                   

 

Again, please read his response and then mine.

 

The desperate Christian presents the quote “Acts 9:3-20” as the word of Jesus indeed very funny. This ignorant or more correctly uneducated on Christianity does not know that this quote describes the so-called vision that Paul had. This is a story that Paul said which also we could find in it many contradictions:

 

Please read the following article concerning the contradiction and the confusion that Paul committed with his “vision”

 

http://muslim-responses.com/Did_he_really_meet_Jesus/Did_he_really_meet_Jesus_ 

 

Gale continuous by saying or at least try to give a picture that Paul was with disciples and that results that he was approved by the disciples and he was in peace with them. Unfortunately, I will disappoint the desperate Christian and inform him that Paul fought the disciples. Please read the detail article concerning the relationship of Paul with the disciples:

 

http://muslim-responses.com/Paul_VS_the_Disciples/Paul_VS_the_Disciples_

 

This amateur missionary says that the disciples are Muslims. Moreover, according to the Quran as Muslims were believers and they chosen Paul. I wonder where this kid saw the name of Paul in the Quran or where he saw that the disciples choose Paul. At least hilarious. This ignorant fail to realize that if he accepts that disciples are Muslims then in any case could not choose this antichrist Paul because he insulted the religion of Jesus (see the link above) or they could not believe that Jesus is God as the Christians claim. This kid just does not understand the basic things.

 

Then he quotes an Islamic source and claims that they speak good about Paul. He qutotes a strange “ Islamic Source”  “Ibid. p. 653; bold and capital emphasis ours). Personally I don’t know this Islamic Source but even if it is a valid one then nowhere in the text present Paul as the truthful Apostle. The strange thing is that it claims this quote that Paul was NOT one of the disciples of Jesus. In addition, this quote is not an authentic hadeedth from our Prophet Muhammad or a verse from the Holy Quran. Despite the fact that the most important to say about these Islamic sources are not ALL of them Valid in a Islamic Theological concept, is just expressing a personal opinion of the Muslim writer. The same apply for the quote “[State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], p. 123;”

 

Concerning now the Quranic verses that this uneducated Christian posted:

 

Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.” S. 3:55 

Superior in the sight of Allah and superior to the guide of the true path. He then posts

 

O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples, “We are Allah's helpers!” then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, AND THEY BECAME THE ONES THAT PREVAILED. S. 61:14 

Of course the followers (those who followed the original teachings of Jesus) of Jesus prevailed not military not in power but in the sight of Allah and wining His pleasure. Most important the Quranic verses never say that the followers of Paul will be the successful. Yet this missionary posted the tafsir of ibn kathir and he was exposed in his own!

 

 

THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, the Christians had the upper hand and dominated the Jews. ALLAH AIDED THEM AGAINST THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN THE JEWS, even though both groups were and still are disbelievers, may Allah’s curse descend on them.” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2, Parts 3, 4, & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh, Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition: March 2000], p. 171; bold and capital emphasis ours) 

 

Yet he realized that he exposed by this quote and claims :

 

“Ibn Kathir’s explanation doesn’t solve the problem since the Quran claims that the true followers of Christ would prevail and yet the Christianity that prevailed is the one that Ibn Kathir attacks as false. At the same time Ibn Kathir admits that this aberration is that which God caused to prevail!”

What can you say ? this man is so desperate. He is answering to himself by the quotation of ibn kathir. Again the true followers not Paul prevailed in a manner not military not in power but in the sight of Allah and wining His pleasure.

Please read the following article that deals in detail concerning the issue “ Quran affirms Paul”

http://muslim-responses.com/The_Quran_and_Paul/The_Quran_and_Paul_

 

The desperate Christian continuous by saying that Allah quoted Paul.

The Prophet said, "ALLAH SAID, 'I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things) as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.'" (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 589)

This was prepared by God NOT by Paul I wonder if these ignorant missionary knows how to read:

"However, as it is written: 'No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him.'" 1 Corinthians 2:9

He exposed by himself

Answering Third response

Well I do not accuse here Gale because it seems that he did not understand my point or maybe I was not clear enough. Gale didn’t understand, that I refer to the word “Lord” to the quote Acts 22:14-16 and Romans 10:9-13 not the quote of the Old testament because the Old testament refer Lord as God but this is not the case with Jesus because never Jesus himself supported his lordship to be a deity. So simple, but Gale likes to play around or honestly this kid didn’t understand, actually he exposes once again his amateur character. Once again, to make it clear for this fool, Lord in the Old Testament clearly describes God as well as some biblical prophets. For example as Gale quotes:

For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, YOUR SAVIOR; I gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place. Isaiah 43:4

Here God indentifies himself as the Lord God not the Lord Prophet as some biblical Prophets are called. Jesus is the Lord prophet according to his own words not the Lord God. Ok Mr. Gale, did you get it now?

Also Gale presents some translations of the Bible that use the word “Jehovah” as Lord. But when Jesus is called Lord in the New Testament why the English translations don’t use the word Jehovah for Lord if he was Jehovah. Simple because Jesus is not the lord Jehovah. Even if the name of God was Jehovah then why Jesus called God in Aramaic “Allah”? For more proofs read:

  https://www.answering-christianity.com/allah.htm

 About Jesus saving his people from for their sins this not something unique for a prophet. All the prophets of God with their messages saved their people for their sin. Every message of a Prophet had a purpose of salvation otherwise, their mission was useless. Is this so hard to understand kiddy Gale? Again the context of lordship of Jesus(by his own words not Paul the antichrist) is total different from the context of the Old Testament for it uses Lord for God AND for the Prophets. Again another missionary like Gale fails to quote Jesus and says the same words as the antichrist Paul said. I challenge this kid to show me where the context of Jesus of lordship(Jesus words) agrees with the context of Paul about the lordship of Jesus. Good luck kid J !!

If you notice his 3^rd response the only quotes that HARDLY supports him are the quotes of Paul not Jesus. This kid also challenges me to show him where the Quran claims that Paul was wrong, this challenge has already answered here: http://muslim-responses.com/The_Quran_and_Paul/The_Quran_and_Paul_

This ignorant and uneducated Christian missionary insists that Jehovah is true God and quotes many passages from the bible to prove his point. But unfortunately for him this not the case at all. The word “Jehovah is an invention word in order not to pronounce the word God in Hebrew. I dedicate to Gale this quote in order to learn who and what this “Jehovah” is and to see that ALLAH is the true name of God:

“WHO IS JEHOVAH?

Astonishing as it may sound, it is an admitted fact that prior to the sixteenth century, the word "Jehovah," was unheard of. Whenever the origin of this word appeared in its true Hebrew form in Jewish Scriptures (read from right to left as in Arabic) Yet, Huh, Wav, Huh; or Y.H.W.H. these four letters were preceded by a substitute word "Adonai," to warn the reader that the following word was not to be articulated. The Jews took meticulous care in repeating this exercise in their "Book of God" six thousand, eight hundred and twenty-three times - interpolating the words "Adonai" or "Elohim." They sincerely believed that this awesome name of God was never to be pronounced. This prohibition was no ordinary affair: it called for a penalty of death on one who dared to utter it, and this taboo has been more successful than all the "DO's" and "DON'T's" of the Ten Commandments put together.

If Jehovah is the name of God Almighty, and if the 27 Books of the New Testament were inspired by Him, then it is an anomaly of the highest order, that He (Jehovah) signally failed to have His Own Name recorded in "His Word" (N.T.) the Christian addition to the Jewish Bible. The Christians claim that they have in their possession over twenty-four thousand so-called "originals" of their Holy Writ in the Greek language, and yet not a single parchment has "Jehovah" written in it. Curiously this "name of God" (?) has been sacrilegiously replaced by the Greek words ky'ri.os and the.os', which mean 'Lord' and 'God.' Yet, miracle of miracles - Alleluya!  - no devil or saint has been able to eliminate the word "ALLAH" from the so-called New Testament of the Christians.

NEW FANGLED DOCTRINES

A hundred years ago, all of a sudden, more than a hundred new cults and denominations of Christiandom mushroomed in the United States of America. The Seventh Day Adventists, the Christian Scientists, the Menonites, the Christiadelphins, The Jehovah's Witnesses and the like. The founder of the last named cult, a Judge Rutherford, about whom the orthodox Christians say that he was no "Judge." This Judge was a voracious book-worm and a prolific writer. He stumbled across the word "Jehovah" which tickled him immensely, and he made a religion out of it.

Judge Rutherford, followed by Charles T. Russell created a new "church," which in its system of organisation and administration is second to none in the world. There is very much we Muslims can learn from their enthusiasm and methodology. Read, "Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave" by Schelin. It is not their theology I am enamoured with but their modus operandi (the way they operate). Read, how this incorrigible sect came very close to conquering Germany before Hitler. Read, about their second come- back in West Germany. Think, why they are making a most concerted effort in Nigeria. Will the system or religion that prevails in Nigeria, be utlimately the norm of the rest of Africa! This giant is the hero of the majority of the African people south of the Sahara. Muslims must reflect.

VIRILE SECT

The "Jehovah's Witnesses," have made the most phenominal progress of all the religious sects of the past hundred years, on a percentage basis. The Bahaies are moving at a snails-pace in comparison, actually receding in ratio with the other Christian off-shoots. These "Witnesses" are the fittest in their fight against the other Christians as well as against the Muslims. Simply because they programme themselves five times a week in their "Kingdom Halls," and what they learn they implement during the week-ends. We Muslims are supposed to be "programmed" five times a day in our daily Salaat, but we have lost the true purpose of this Pillar of Islam. Our Salaat is for earning Sawaab (spiritual blessings) only.

They have made the word JEHOVAH famous. They knock at people's doors, asking the question - "What is His Name?" The orthodox Christian replies - "God." They say, "God is not a name, it is an object of worship. What's His Name?" "Father," says the orthodox as a second try. "Is your father God?" Of course not! So what is His Name? "JEHOVAH! is His Name," says the "Witness" to both Muslims and non-Muslims alike. He has become a professor of this one word. He has made it into a religion.

THE "TETRAGRAMMATON"

Why not for a change ask him, a question or two. Ask him where he got the word Jehovah from? He will surely reply - "From the Holy Bible." What does it say? Does it spell out the word J-e-h-o-v-a-h? "No," he will reply. "There is a 'tetragrammaton' in the Bible from which the word Jehovah is derived." What is a tetragrammaton? No one seems to have heard this highly mystical term. In the University of Illinois in the U.S.A. I asked a gathering of students and lecturers whether any one had heard this jaw-breaker! Not one of them knew its meaning! But every Jehovah's Witness seems to know, even the commonest of them. They have really specialised - ours is a world of specialisation. They are Professors of the one word - Jehovah.

What then is a "tetragrammaton!" The Jehovah's Witness replies, "Y H W Hi!"
"No!" "What I want to know from you is, what does the word tetragrammaton mean?" You will find him most reluctant in explaining. Either he does not really know, or he is feeling embarrassed in replying. "Tetra," in Greek means FOUR, and "grammaton," means LETTERS. It simply means "a four letter word."

Can you read into Y H W H the word Jehovah? I cannot. "No!", says the Jehovah's Witness, "we ought to add vowels to these four consonents to produce the sound. Originally, both Hebrew and Arabic were written without the vowel signs The native of each language was able to read if even without those vowels. Not so the outsider, for whose benefit the vowels were invented.

THE "J" SICKNESS

Let us add the vowels as the "Witness" suggests. YHWH becomes YeHoWaH. Juggle as you like but you can never materialise Jehovah! Ask him, from which hat he drew his "J". He will tell you that "this is the 'popular' pronunciation from the 16th century." The exact sound of the four letters YHWH is known neither to the Jews nor to the Gentiles, yet he is ramming JEHOVAH down everyones throats. The European Christians have developed a fondness (sickness) for the letter "J" They add J's where there are no Jays. Look!

Yael	he converts to	Joel
Yehuda	to	Juda
Yeheshua	to	Joshua
Yusuf	to	Joseph
Yunus	to	Jonah
Yesus	to	Jesus
Yehowa	to	Jehovah

There is no end to the Westerner's infatuation for the letter "J." Now in the busy streets of South Africa, he charges people who carelessly cross them for "jay-walking," but nobody charges him for converting Jewish (Yehudi) names into Gentile names.

The letters Y H W H occur in the Hebrew (Jewish) Scriptures 6 823 times, boasts the Jehovah's Witness, and it occurs in combination with the word "Elohim;" 156 times in the booklet called Genesis alone. This combination YHWH/ELOHIM has been consistently translated in the English Bible as "Lord God," "Lord God," Lord God," ad infinitum.

COMMON ORIGIN

What is YHWH; and what is ELOHIM? Since the lews did not articulate the word YHWH for centuries, and since even the Chief Rabbis would not allow the ineffable to be heard, they have forfeited the right to claim dogmatically how the word is to be sounded. We have to seek the aid of the Arab to revive Hebrew, a language which had once died out. In every linguistic difficulty recourse has to be made to Arabic, a sister language, which has remained alive and viable. Racially and linguistically, the Arabs and the Jews have a common origin, going back to Father Abraham.¹

Note the startling resemblance between the languages, very often the same sounding words carry identical meaning in both.

YHWH or Yehova or Yahuwa all mean the very same thing. "Ya" is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Hebrew and Arabic, meaning Oh! And "Huwa" or "Hu" means He, again in both Hebrew and Arabic. Together they mean Oh He! So instead of YHWH ELOHIM, we now have Oh He! ELOHIM.

 

CHAPTER FOUR

ALLAH IN THE BIBLE

The suffix "IM" of the word "ELOHIM" is a plural of respect in Hebrew.

(Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the "godhead," hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost).

Hence ELOHIM = ELOH + IM. Now I want you to perform an exercise. Do you see the words: YA-HUWA ELOH-IM? Place your left hand index finger on the first two letters "YA" meaning oh! and the other index finger on the "IM" a plural of respect. What you now have remaining in Huwa Eloh or Huwa Elah. El in Hebrew means god, and Elah or Eloh also stands for the same name - god. Therefore, "Huwa el Elah" or HUWA 'L LAH, which is identical to the Quranic expression - Huwal lah hu (meaning: HE IS ALLAH) of the verse QUL HUWAL LAH HU AHUD

Holy Qur'an 112:1

The above exercise proves that El, Elah and Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah. This is not my wishful thinking. Please see below. It is a photostatic reproduction of a page from the English Bible, edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield,D.D., with his Bible Commentary· This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his "NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION" of this translation by a galaxy of eight other D.D.'s:

Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President Crozer Theological jeminary.
Rev. W. G. Moorehead, D.D., President Xenia (U.I,) Theological Seminary.
Rev. lames M. Gray, D.D., President Moody Bible Institute.
Rev. Elmore Harris, D.D., President Toronto Bible Institute.
Rev. William !. Erdman, D.D., Author "The Gospel of John," etc.
Rev. Arthur T. Pierson, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher, etc.
Rev. William L. Pettingill, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher.
Arno C. Gaebelein, Author "Harmoney of Prophetic Word," etc.

I have not listed the above luminaries to awe you. They have been unanimous in supporting Rev. Scofield in his "New and Improved" commentary.

Please note that in their comment No. 1 below left, they concur that - "Elohim, (sometimes El or Elah meaning God)" and alternatively spelled "Alah" (line three, third word). All the eight D.D.'s above could not have been blind in dittoing the spelling "Alah" for God. How far were they from the Arabic word spelled - ALLAH - in English, I ask you dear reader? This is Allah's handiwork, but the Devil (I must give him a capital "D," he deserves it) was not slow in making a quick come-back through his agents. He succeeded in firing all the D.D.'s responsible for that debacle, and had them replaced by nine others with more impressive degrees than the previous lot. You will find them in the recent reproduction of "The New Scofield Reference Bible." You will not be able to lay your hands anymore on the Bible with "Alah" in it. The Devil has seen to that.

MY ONLY PLEA

I had made some public statements regarding my discovery of the word "Alah" as alternatively spelled from the usual Christian spelling "Elah." My plea to the Christians was this that spell the word as you like, with an "A" or an "E", with a single "L" or double "LL's", but for goodness sake pronounce the word correctly, as we Muslims do. Because even with its proper Anglicised spelling -
A L L A H: "IT IS SO FAR FROM ITS ARABIC ORIGINAL, WHEN PRONOUNCED WITH A THIN ENGLISH CONSONANT AND FEEBLE VOWELS, THAT MANY AN ARAB MUSLIM WOULD FIND IT UNRECOGNIZABLE." Says Rev. Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem in his book, "The Call of the Minaret," page 36.

As much as the Englishman has the right to dictate to us as to how his language is to be sounded, surely we Muslims have as much right to demand a common courtesy when taking the name of God. We do not wish the word Allah to go into limbo like the "Yahuwa" of the ]ews. More than 6000 times the formula "YAHUWA ELAH," or ya"HUWA ALAH," or "HUWALLAH," (He is Allah!) occur in the Hebrew manuscripts of the Jewish Bible, commonly called the "Old Testament," by the Christians. If this fact is openly acknowledged by the learned men of Christianity and broadcasted as Rev. Scofield had done then the day for Muslims and Christians to worship God together would not be far distant. But the Devil will not have it. Vested interests are involved. Instead of prenouncing the word ALAH correctly, they would rather have the whole word omitted.

QUICK ABROGATION

"Now You See It" - "Now You Don't" is an old, old gimmick in the West. Compare the above and see how cleverly, how deftly the new band of missionaries expunged the word "Alah" from the "Authorised King James Version" of the Scofield translation of the Bible¹.

As a guide to one of the largest Mosques in the Southern Hemisphere, the JUMA MUSJID, Durban, my companions and I are often asked by the tourists, "Why Allah?" "Is He another God?" The answer of course is "NO!" There is not another god. The Muslim creed, the Kalima is: "There is no god except Allah!" makes this explicit; every Muslim must utter this unequivocal statement. And the second half of the Kalima: "Muhummed is the Messenger of Allah," excludes even Muhummed (p.b.u.h.) from being associated with Allah in His Divinity. We are made to say, so to say - NOT EVEN MUHUMMED is god, or object of worship. It is Allah, and Allah alone who is the Only Tue God.

1. For further examples of the Christian gymnastics in the Bible, see Chapter 4 in my book - "Is the Bible God's Word?".

UNIQUE NAME FOR UNIQUE GOD

"We Muslims prefer the Arabic word Allah to the English word God, because this English word God is often misused or misapplied," I explain to my non-Muslim visitors to the mosque, on their so-called "Oriental Tour" as arranged by the Durban Publicity Bureau, I continue, "On your last port of call, you will be ending off at a Hindu house of Prayer, called a Temple, and there, you might rightfully point out to your children the idols and the images found, as 'the gods of the Hindus', and if a Hindu overhears you; he will not mind, he will not be offended, because what you said to your child is actually what he believes. Then, again, we speak of the gods of ancient Greece; of gods and goddesses, who ate and drank, who wrangled and plotted; carried away the wives of other gods.

"Further, in English, if some gentleman was to look after somebody's child as a guardian, we would say that he is a "godfather" to the child, and the woman - a "god- mother" to the child. And if one tried to be a bit too funny, a bit too clever, one would say -'What do you think of yourself, are you a tin god!' We spell god with a capital "G" (God), and we spell god with a small "g" (god), which creates in your minds grades and grades of divinities."

This Arabic word, Allah, is never used in any other sense. There is no such thing as an "Allah-father" or an "Allah-mother" or a "Tin-Allah." ALLAH is a unique word for the only God. Arabic, like every other language, also has its rules of grammar, but in Arabic you cannot make a plural form for Allah, nor can you make a feminine of Allah. All this is very unlike the English word, God. If you want to make a plural, just add an "s" (Gods); You can make God feminine by adding "dess" (goddess); and you can make God diminutive by adding "ling" (godling). Look at the sheer mockery the Westerner has made of the word "GOD," and how his fertile imagination has run riot and havoc in denigrating the Glory and Majesty of the Incomparable Creator, sustainer and Cherisher of all the worlds as recorded in the Oxford Dictionary:

You have a variety of choices in the list above. Take your pick like that old woman who lit one candle to St. Michael and another to the Devil. So that whether she went to Heaven or to Hell she would have a friend.

Jupiter the god of Heaven
Pluto the god of Hell
Mars the god of War
Neptune the god of the Sea and
Zeus the god-father of them all

with his many wives and many children. His Hercules, his Appolo, his Horus, his Isis and Osiris.

Sheer mythology and rank blasphemy, but to a people who believed in mythology, mythology was no mythology; it was empirical truths. And this terminology of the West lended itself well to paganistic theology, with their "gods" and "goddesses." BUT ALLAH IS FREE FROM ALL CORRUPTIONS. YOU CAN DO NOTHING WITH THIS WORD IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ARAB. YOU CANNOT MANIPULATE IT IN ANY WAY!

PEARLS OF FAITH

Here is a passage of great sublimity, summing up in marvellous terse verses the Asma-ul-Husna, the Most Beautiful names of Allah.

Holy Qur'an 59:22-24

Where is there in the religious literature of the world anything to compare with this!

"ALLAH" IN EVERY BIBLE AND IN EVERY LANGUAGE

There is no difficulty in our agreeing that in the languages of the world, every nation has given a distinctive name to God. Most of these names are attributive names, describing some aspect of God. But the proper name for God Almighty in the Semitic languages, i.e. in the mother-tongues of Moses, Jesus and Muhummed (Peace be upon them all) is ALLAH! This name is still extant in the Christian Bible in every language of the world. The Christians are boasting that they have translated their Bible into over fifteen hundred languages, more specially the translation of the New Testament. In every Gospel that I have scrutnised in the various languages I find the word "Allah" preserved - English or Afrikaanz, Zulu or Swahili. Why not check up in your own dialect to prove me wrong. I would love to hear from you.

If what I claim is Gospel Truth, then how is it that the whole Christian world of over 1 200 000 000 people have not been aware of it. This is what effective programming or brain-washing can do. They have been trained NOT to see the obvious. Did not Jesus bewail:

"Seeing, they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." (Matthew 13:13).

FROM THE LIPS OF JESUS

I ask my Christian visitors, "Do you remember your Gospel narrative, that when Christ was supposed to have been on the cross, he cried out with a loud voice:

"ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI? which is, being interpreted, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34).

The above is a translation from the Greek manuscripts "ACCORDING TO ST. MARK." Obviously his Hebrew has a Greek accent. Because, his so-called originals were written in Greek. But listen to Matthew, who is supposed to have written his Gospel originally in Hebrew, which was aimed at the Jews. St. Jerome, an early Christian father of the 4th and 5th centuries after Christ, testifies as follows:

"MATTHEW, WHO IS ALSO LEVI, AND WHO FROM A PUBLICAN CAME TO BE AN APOSTLE, FIRST OF ALL THE EVANGELISTS, COMPOSED A GOSPEL OF CHRIST IN JUDEA IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE AND CHARACTERS, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION¹ WHO HAD BELIEVED."

Naturally, Matthew's accent would be more Semitic (Hebrew and Arabic) than that of Mark. Matthew records the same scene as Mark 15:34, but note the variation of the dialect:

Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me'? (Matthew 27:46).

Please memorise the words - "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani." (Eli - pronounced like L and I in English) Utter the words - ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI; ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI, to your Christian friends and neighbours and ask them whether these words - "Eli, Eli," sounds like "Jehovah, Jehovah!" to them? No! is the answer if they are not deaf. Ask further, whether "Eli, Eli," sounds like "Abba, Abba!" (meaning father, father! in Hebrew) to them! Again the reply will be "No!" if they are not deaf. Can't they see that the cry is to Allah? "Eli, Eli - Elah, Elah, Allah, Allah!" Let them hear these words from your lips and watch their reactions. No honest per- son can help agreeing with you.

1. Of the circumcision: means those who had been circumcised. Referring to the Jewish converts to Christianity. 

ALLELUYA!

Now ask your Christian friend, if he had heard the word - "ALLELUYA." No Christian worth the name will fail to recognise it. Whenever the Christian goes into ecstasy, he exclaims - "Alleluya! Alleluya!", just as we Muslims might exclaim the Takbir - "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" Ask him, what is Alleluya? Take him to the Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament, Chapter 19; we are informed there that John the disciple of Jesus, saw a vision, in which he heard the angels in heaven singing, Alleluya, Alleluya. Ask him again, what is Alleluya! Is it "hip, hip, hooray; hip, hip, hooray!" Are angels in heaven singing - hip, hip, hoorays to God? Every time when God creates a new galaxy, do the angels exclaim - "hip, hip, hooray!" When He explodes a super-nova, do the angels say, "hip, hip, hooray!"? How absurd!

Then what is Alleluya! The last syllable "YA" is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Arabic and Hebrew meaning "OH!" In other words YA = OH, (the vocative); and YA = (!), a note of exclamation, or an exclamatory particle, or as is more commonly known an exclamation mark.

The Semite, both Arab and Jew, begins with the exclamatory particle or exclamation mark. The Westerner, in his language ends with the exclamatory particle or exclamation mark, eg. Stop! Go! Fire! Bang!

Let us repeat the above Tasbih (words of praise) as an Arab or a Jew: ALLE-LU-YA will be YA-ALLE-LU because, as explained above, YA is always at the beginning in both Arabic and Hebrew.

YA ALLE LU would be YA ALLA HU: Meaning, "OH ALLAH!" (You are the Only Being Who deserves worship and Praise) "OH ALLAH!" (You are the Only Being Who deserves worship and Praise).

Unbiased Christians will not fail to recognise Allah as none other than his - El, Eli, Alle, Elah, Alah, Allah. Call upon Him by any name, for His are the Most Beautiful names, as long as those names are not contaminated and as long as they do not conjure up in our minds the images of men or monkeys howsoever glorified they might have been.

THE CONCEPT OF "GOD THE FATHER"

There are many beautiful attributes of God, which are common to both the Holy Qur'an and the Holy Bible. A lengthy thesis can be written on this. But a very interesting facet I have discovered in this that among the 99 attributes of God given to us in the Holy Qur'an the word "Father" is not one of them. If the Holy Prophet was the author of the Holy Qur'an as his adversaries allege, then how could he have avoided the term - Father - for God, for twenty-three years of his prophetic life! Abb, meaning father in Arabic (Abba in Hebrew), is an easier word than Rabb, meaning Lord and Cherisher; yet the attribute Rabb abounds in the Last and Final Revelation of God. The reason for the omission of the word Abb (father) for describing God Almighty is obvious: MANKIND HAD DENIGRATED THAT BEAUTIFUL CONCEPT OF THE LOVING Father in Heaven to being the Father of the "only begotten son"¹ - to being physically like a human being, because begetting is an animal act, belonging to the lower animal functions of sex.

1. John 3:16

UNIQUE TO THE QUR'AN AND CONCLUSION

SAY: "SHALL I TAKE FOR MY PROTECTOR ANY BUT ALLAH THE ORIGINATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH? WHEN IT IS HE WHO FEEDS BUT HAS NO NEED TO BE FED."

Sura An-am 6:14

No creature who is ever in need of earthly food can be "ATNATU!" If you can make the worshippers of the "man-gods" to apply this touchstone to their heroes, you can retrieve millions from the impending Hell-fire. Learn a lesson from the Australoid (give him one last look on the frontispiece), who despite his abject primitiveness still stands high above the millions of the civilised men and women of both East and West who strut the world today.

GLORY BE TO ALLAH!

Source: ( Ahmed Deedat from his Book “ What is His Name?” page 21-39)

 

Answering his fourth response:

Gale presents 3 quotations in order as he claims to prove that Jesus answer to prayers and we must ask from him like we ask from God. Let us expose him from his own quotations: He posts the following

“And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” John 14:13-14

 

“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” John 15:16

 

“And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full… At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you.” John 16:23-24, 26

We must note from John 14:13-14 That Jesus will do, ONLY that the Father may be glorified in the son. To Glorify the Father through the son, what that means? It means that the Father is the source of glorification and the Father will respond through Jesus. That does not make Jesus God. The Father again is the source of everything, clearly, Jesus has a role of a Prophet according to this verse and he is not presented like the Father. For example when Moses split the sea was not Moses who splited but Allah, Jews glorified Allah through Moses, through his miracle.

In John 15:16 things are more clear but this kid Gale cannot comprehended. This verse says that we must ask FROM THE FATHER not from Jesus. The phrase “ask the Father in my name” means that we must ask from the father through the way of Jesus learned his people to ask” Jesus never say ‘ASK ONLY FROM ME” he always elevates the Father as the only God that you must ask.

In John 16:23-24 Jesus goes further by praying to the Father in order to satisfy what the people asked from his name. In other words Jesus tells them to ask from him and he then ask the father by praying, so who is responding? The Father not Jesus. Amazingly, this fool missionary expose himself through his quotations like Sam Shamoun. Good work Gale !

Actaully Gale admits from his own words:

“Moreover, performing something in someone else's name has two implications. First, it is the authority of another person that allows someone to perform the work. In other words, it is because someone else authorized you to take these actions that you are able to perform them; a person is not doing them in his own authority. For example, when David fought Goliath he came unto him "in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied" (1 Samuel 17:45). He was not coming in his own power or authority but in that which belonged to God alone. This gave David the authority and ability to fight against the giant Goliath… and win!

 

Second, when you come in someone’s name, you come in his stead. The person to whom you come is expected to respond to you, not on the basis of who you are, but on behalf of the one you represent, in whose authority you have come. They are to treat you as they would treat the one who authorized you to come. For instance, when David sent servants to Nabal to ask for food, “they spake to Nabal according to all those words in the name of David” (1 Samuel 25:9). Therefore, when Nabal insulted David's servants (who came in David's name) he insulted David just as if he had spoken directly to his face.”

 

Excatly, Jesus was like David, like a Prophet of God. Because All authority and power  was given to him by God:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.( Matthew 28:18)

The same power to forgive sins.

But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. (Matthew 9:6)

So all the power of Jesus is not his own, belongs to God therefore I take as God the one that gave power to Jesus.

He continues his desperate attempts by posting the following quote:

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." John 17:1-5

 Again, this missionary continues to expose his self through his own unholy book. He tries to give some meanings with has nothing to do with the verse, and he claims that I do not know the true meaning.

The phrase: “"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had WITH YOU before the world began."

So what is the “ great” thing about this verse Gale? All the prophets had glory with God before the world began.

70. As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:  (Luke 1:70)

 

Also John the Baptist gave salvation. To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, (Luke 1:77)

 

He then tries to give us understand that Jesus “Commanded God” to glorify him. Well I am asking Gale if he prays to God as Jesus taught him. If yes then for sure he says the following words:

9. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11. Give us this day our daily bread.

12. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.( Matthew 6:9-13)

In other words Gale and all Christians alike COMMAND God to do the follows:

1) To give them their daily bread

2) To forgive them

3) And to lead them not into temptation.

Like Jesus commanded God to glorify him. So also according to the Gales argument, all the Christians that Command God to do these actions are also Gods.

 

But let us analyze the verse again:

 

1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them , and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. John 17:1-8

 

From this verse again we can see how Jesus is NOT equal with God. He is a Prophet of God. Jesus clearly says that the only true God is the Father and he (Jesus) is the Apostle His messenger:

3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Gale forgets to mention the last phrase “ whom thou hast sent” obviously because describes Jesus as a person that God sent. Amazingly, Jesus admits that the Father sent him

“and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me”

this according to Jesus immediately makes him inferior comparing with the Father. 

 

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. John 13:16

 

Therefore Jesus is not greater than the Father because the Father sent Jesus. So how Jesus is equal with God? Or worst how Jesus is God? I would love Gale to give me an answer here. Good Luck Buddy!! J

 

 

Answering his fifth response:

 

Gale by posting John 5:19-23 in the supposed context illustrates how Jesus is inferior again comparing with the Father. But the quote that Gale gives is not the context actually he do not mention the verse John 5:30 simply because do not suit him. But let us paste the whole context to expose him once again:

 

19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them ; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23. That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27. And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

30. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5:19-30)

 

From the above verses, we can conclude that Jesus is indeed inferior comparing with the Father. Is clearly that we read that Jesus “can do nothing from himself”, “that the father committed all judgment unto the son”, committing the judgment to the son does not mean that Jesus is God; God gave to the other Prophets the ability to Judge. Again, The Father sent Jesus as the verse 23 say. Verse 26 mentions that the father gave life to Jesus. Verse 27 silences completely the kiddy missionary by clearly stating my point “Father GAVE authority to Jesus to execute Judgment, because Jesus as he mentioned “can not do nothing from himself”. Therefore, the real source is Father and without the Father Jesus cannot do nothing. The verse 30 support the whole context, that is that Jesus indeed cannot do nothing he needs the help of God as a true Prophet.  I really enjoy when their own “holy” book testify against the Christians.

 

Gale continues by saying that I posting verses from the New Testament that disproves Islam. When I posted the verse

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know” Acts 2:22

Gale argues that the next verses disprove Islam. Indeed childish remarks. Even he admit why I did that, he said: “Now Mr. Eldin is trying to use Acts 2:22 to disprove the divinity of Jesus;”

Actually this missionary is totally confused. The verse that posted is obviously refutes the divinity of Jesus, check the verse again:

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know” Acts 2:22

Gale never answered simply because he cannot, he knows that the above verse disprove the divinity of Jesus and continuous to argue about crucifixion, a total different topic. The reason that I posted the verse is to show you that the book of acts consider him as a man not as a God. This missionary out of his panic  don’t understand that also in all kind of debates or arguments also Christians use verses from the Quran to “prove” their point. Check the whole Quranic verses that Gale used in his article. How fool can a missionary be?

 

He posts the verses:

“For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’ Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD (Kyrion) and Christ.” Acts 2:34-36

Then argues that the issue of the word Kyrios support his point. This missionary cannot understand that the phrase “The Lord said to my Lord” simply means “ Lord God said to my Lord Prophet”(because as I proved to my first article many prophets are called Lords) otherwise we have the funny meaning of Gale which is “ The Lord God said to my Lord God” ???????? indeed stupidity of the high order !!

 

 

Answering his sixth response:

 

Then this English speaking missionary tries to correct me (a Greek citizen) in the Greek language. He says

“Here is what the word for worshipers is:

 

Proskunetes

 Definition

a worshipper (http://www.biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4353&version=kjv)    

 

Now look at the definition for worship:

 

Proskuneo

 Definition

1.       to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence

2.       among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence

3.       in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication

a.       used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank

1.       to the Jewish high priests

Word Usage - Total: 60

worship 60 (http://www.biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4352&version=kjv)”

 

This foolish Christian actually support my claim, he says that the word “proskinites” is a worshiper now look what definition gives about what is worship.

.     “  in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication

a.       used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank”

Exactly what I said. This kiddy did not understand that I emphasized the point that to prostrate does not always mean to worship in theological way. You can, sometimes, prostrate as respect to someone not to worship him as God. This ignorant again tries to back up his claim by quoting passages from the Holy Quran indicating that prostrate means worship. Yes, but this fool does not realize that I am talking about his unholy book. He then argues that “Jesus accepted worship and even commanded the people to worship him as God” and he support his argument by quoting:

And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, AND WORSHIPPED HIM. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. Matthew 28:8-10

 

Therefore, Gale supports that Jesus is God. Well I am going to disappoint Gale by telling him that Prophet Daniel also received worship (as Gale means with Jesus):

Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.(2:46)

According to Gale Prophet Daniel, is also God? This is actually the reason why I said that prostrating to someone does not always mean that you prostrate to him in a manner to worship him like you worship God. In addition,

“The word “worship” in Mark 5:6 (But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,) and many other places means to adore, to adulate, to respect, to revere. Compare the same verse with Luke 8:28(When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.) where the word “worship” alternatively recorded as “ fell down before him” ( Ahmed Deedat, Compat Kit)

 He further makes some desperate attempts to say that Jesus is God because the disciples saluted Jesus by the word “Hail” which in Greek is “Chairo”. Indeed very funny. As a Greek Citizen that I am, every day they salute me and I salute my friends by the word “Chairo” well according to Gale, he must take me also as his God because they salute me and salute them in the Greek word “Chairo”These missionaries getting more and more desperate. See below the definition of the Greek word “Chairo”

χαίρω πάρα πολύ				=	exult
chairo para poly
χαίρω	=	rejoice
chairo

(http://kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon) 

 

Answering his seventh response:

In that, point the desperate Christian goes mad. He said that the revelation of John is the words of Jesus and Jesus said that he is alpha and omega therefore Jesus is God. This argument has already dealt in detail here:

“Jesus said I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA THE FIRST AND LAST

 

Did he really say that? Let us quote each alpha omega verse and you will see for yourself and not a single one of them is Jesus speaking:

 

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

 

Both times were the I am alpha and omega is used, is not said by Jesus but by THE God as the text clearly shows. Christians would like to say read on which shows that it is indeed Jesus, so let us read on and see:

 

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death

 

Christians will see since John tuned back to see who was speaking, and he saw Jesus then this would mean it was Jesus speaking. That does not work neither, John heard a voice as a trumpet behind him saying ' I am the Alpha and Omega' the first and last. John simply turned around to see who was speaking to him, when he turned around he had a vision, what he saw in this vision does not mean what he sees in the vision is what was talking to him. God not Jesus told John I am the Alpha and Omega and to WRITE what thou sees, so God already told John to make sure what he sees, because God knew John would turn around to see what was speaking to him. As soon as John turns he sees this vision, the man he sees in the vision is assumed to be Jesus, however so Jesus is not the one who made the Alpha and omega statement, they are two different situations.

 

1- God tells John I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, and be sure to write what you see.

 

2- John turns around and sees a vision, he sees Jesus.

So even reading on it is still not Jesus saying I am the Alpha and Omega.

Now Christians will be shouting that Jesus told John I am the first and last and I was dead and I am alive evermore. That is Jesus without a doubt.

 

However so let us read Revelations 1:1:

 

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

So from the first verse see that Jesus cannot be God. God gave Jesus the revelation, does God give God a revelation? It has already been shown that Jesus is not God in this article, and this supports the case even further, so hence if Jesus said I am the first and the last to signify that he is God then this would be blasphemy! So hence Jesus commits blasphemy if he is trying to imply he is God. I don’t think he is, so I don’t believe when Jesus said I am the first and last, that he meant he was God. Secondly Jesus said he was dead, God never dies to be dead, God is never dead PERIOD. So it would seem funny if Jesus is trying to claim he is God and also say he died when death is something God does not go through. So this does not prove Jesus is God, not at all.

 

Revelations 21: 1-8

 

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

This is not Jesus speaking but rather the Father. As it says I will be his God and he will be my son. Or does Jesus have a son now?

 

Revelations 22 : 6-18

 

6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Christians once again will say that is Jesus. In fact it is clear that that is not Jesus. Read the text very carefully, you will notice that it is suddenly THE God speaking when he says I am alpha and omega. Let us Quote to make it simple so every one can see who is talking rather than making everyone confused:

This is John

 

6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things

 

This is angel

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be

 

Now this is THE God

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie

 

Now it is Jesus

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

So it is not good English, no one knows who is talking unless you really try to find out. When you do, you see that Jesus is not claiming to be alpha and omega first and last.”

Source : https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/rebuttaltosamshamoun24.htm (

 

Now let us say that indeed Jesus claimed that he is alpha and omega. I am asking, so what?

“When Muslims corner Christians on the subject “Is Jesus God”? Christians often try to prove the divinity of Jesus by quoting the passage from the Revelation that Jesus said, “I am Alpha and the Omega”. However, this argument is soundly refuted:

 

https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/rebuttaltosamshamoun24.htm

 

 

Now personally I want to draw the attention of the Christians in another passage of the Bible, in the book of Hebrews we read:

 

1. For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2. To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3. Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ( Hebrews 7:13)

 

Notice this Priest Melchisedec “has neither beginning of days, nor end of life”, in other words very logically we can say that this statement is much more superior than the statement supposed uttered by Jesus (that he is Alpha and the Omega). Because alpha and Omega has a beginning and end but this Priest Melchisedec has no beginning and no end, therefore why Christians don’t consider this Priest as God Almighty? Because his superiority from Jesus is not only for his eternal existence but also because he does not have a mother, Jesus had a mother, and he does not have a descent, Jesus had descents (two genealogies according to the gospels). So when Christians try to prove the divinity of Jesus by the statement “Iam Alpha and Omega” I advise them to better look the statement of Melchisedec which is much more superior than Jesus. However, Christians do not support that Melchisedec is God. So there is no big deal when Jesus said I am Alpha and the Omega.

 

Source : https://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/Alpha_and_Omega.htm

 

 

 

Answering his eighth response:

 

 Gale Present some quotes from the Gospels:

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven

He argues that Jesus used the word “not everyone” not “all” in order to prove that some people calling him lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Yes because Jesus refers to the people that call him Lord in the wrong essence, these people will not enter, the people that will enter the kingdom of heaven are the people that call him Lord in the essence of his prophet hood. Because Lords are called other biblical Prophets. As for the quote:

MANY WILL SAY TO ME on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?

The coward Gale afraid to post the next verse that Jesus will reject such people(making such testimonies) that did in his name all this things happened.

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" Matthew 7:23

According to Jesus all this people are evil doers. Gale asks

“If this referred to all who called him Lord then why does Jesus only say “many”?”

Because many like you Gale you take Jesus as God Lord and you will be rejected infront of Jesus, because you took Jesus as Lord God and you and many others worship him in vain. Jesus confirms that many people after him will worship him in vain

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.( Matthew 15:9)

All this stuff that you call Christianity, Jesus called them “teachings and doctrines of men” wow, how much clear can it be?

Gale continuous his funny article by claiming that Jesus is the lord of the Sabbath, therefore his God. Again this missionary like all of them use arguments that already have been dealt. Read about the Lord of the Sabbath in details here:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/lord_of_sabbath_rebuttal.htm

Even if this desperate Christians invent someday a clearly statement that Jesus say “I am God” we must never give attention simply because others have been called Gods:

Psalms 82:6

⁶ "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

Actually Moses deserves to be worshiped as God according to the bible not Jesus because Moses was called God of Pharaoh;

Exodus 7:1

Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet

Lord of The Sabbath, and Moses being God, and the Gods that God address, is just respectful titles and nothing else. Wake up Gale.

 

 

Answering his ninth response:

 

Here Gale ignore in a very diplomatic way that God gave power and authority to Jesus. For detail answer check the fifth response that I proved the inferiority of Jesus comparing the father.

Gale presents this Quranic verses and wonders how Allah will be the heir of his own things

"And certainly We! We it is Who give life, and cause death, and We are THE HEIRS." S. 15:23

"Lo! We, only We, inherit the earth and all who are thereon, and unto Us they are returned." S. 19:40

 The fool missionary does not understand that this is an expression of speech. In addition, God gave the earth for the service of people then to him all belongs. It is a metaphorical tone. Finally, he boasts that Jesus will inherit God and therefore Jesus is God but this argument also has been addressed here:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_heir_of_god_lie.htm

 

Also check the rebuttal section of Quennel Gale:

 

https://www.answering-christianity.com/quennel_gale_rebuttals.htm

  

   

  

   

 

Rebuttals and Exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team.

Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.

Back to brother Ahmed Eldin's section.

 

  

Also Visit:

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

Also visit:

Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

  

Other important links: [1] [2] [3]

Also:
Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?
Jesus said he had no Divine Will.  Jesus had to seek permission from GOD before performing any Miracle.

  

What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]

Note to Muslims:

The Gospel Christ:

So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?  Even among Christians, this remains a mystery.  But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ.  The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate.  There are always forgeries and alterations.  This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.

For ample proofs, watch the debate-video above.

  

See Also:

The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

666 | Anti-Christ | Dividing Israel

  

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