Rebuttal: Does
“Kyrios”
really imply Deity”? Silencing once more the
desperate amateur Christian Quennel
Gale
By
Ahmed Eldin
The
desperate Christian propagandist continues his pathetic so called
“responses”
to me. In this paper I am going to respond on all of his pathetic
attempts and
arguments to show to you and justify you why this man is desperate. My
formula
of answering this clown will be like the previous one, for example I
want the
reader to read his article and then mine because I don’t want
to flood the text
by quoting him. I just am going to refute him directly by answering his
“responses” to me. So let us justify his immaturity.
First
of
all, as I said read his article: http://./Kyrios_rebuttal1.html
Answering
and refuting his whole article:
Someone
must tell that guy that our subject of discussion is not the Holy Quran
words
and interpretations, or the Prophet Muhammad (p). Our dialogue is about
“Does Kyrios
really imply Deity?” by analyzing the New Testament.
Easily you can understand why Gale tries to hide himself by speaking
about the
Quran. Quran or general Islam is NOT our topic of discussion Gale, yet
this
amateur calls me a person “that divert attention away from the
Quran”. Wake up Gale and concentrate on
the topic please.
But
let as
answering this amateur missionary. Gale must realize the use of the
word “Lord”
in the Quran. “The actual word used in the Quran is
“Rabb”.
There is no proper equivalent for “Rabb”
in the
English language. It means the One and the Only Lord for all the
Universe, its
Creator, Owner, Organizer, Provider, Master, Planner, Sustainer,
Cherisher, and
Giver of security. Rabb
is also one of the Names of
Allah. We have used the word “Lord” as the nearest
to Rabb.
All occur nesses of “Lord” in the interpretation of
the meanings of the Noble
Quran actually mean Rabb
and should be understood as
such”. (Source: Interpretation of
the
meanings of the Noble Quran in the English language, a summarized
version of At
Tabari, Al Qurtubi, and Ibn Kathir
with comments from Sahih
Al Bukhari, By Dr.
Muhammad
Muhsin Khan, page 11.)
Therefore
it cannot be compared the word “Kyrios”
with the word
“Rabb”.
So the immaturity of this missionary who
falsely appeals to the Quran and its used of the word
“Lord” are silenced.
Furthermore the desperate missionary says that the Prophets called
Lords from
the Quran or from the Islamic perspective. That man has serious problem
of
twisting my words. If you check my argument I said that the BIBLE
REFERS THE
PROPHETS AS LORDS NOT THE QURAN. It is obviously that the missionary is
ignorant or he doesn’t know how to argue.
Continuing
with his so called “response” Gale returns to the
subject of discussion. Here
we must remind to this missionary what the Greek word “Kyrios”
really means:
kurioV
kurios
koo'-ree-os
|
from kuros (supremacy); supreme in
authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Master
(as a respectful title):-- God, Lord,
master, Sir.
|
Source
: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/index2.htm
Also
visit: http://www.whoisjesus.com/yhwh-LORD.html
We see
from the above
that the word “Kyrios”
does not necessarily means
Deity. He further claims that “Shamoun
and I
demonstrated, the NT uses
the word Lord, or more
specifically “Kyrios,”
as a synonym for God’s
covenant name YHWH. We cited references where the NT quotes an OT text
which
uses the name YHWH and substitutes it with “Kyrios”.
We further showed how the NT writers applied to Jesus specific OT texts
which
speak of YHWH, proving that the NT authors were clearly calling Jesus
Lord in
the sense of his being YHWH.” In my turn I claim
that Shamoun
and Gale didn’t demonstrated anything at all, both of them
and their pathetic
arguments are soundly refuted:
Shamoun
refuted here: https://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/Response_to_Sam_Shamoun_1.htm
After I
refuted Shamoun, it was
Gale turns to be exposed as his friend. He
wrote two “responses” to me here: http://./q_jesus_kurios.html and http://./Alpha_and_Omega.html
Then
I answered his articles: https://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/Alpha_And_Omega_rebuttal.htm
, and https://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/Kyrios_rebuttal.htm
Then
he “responded” to me here http://./Alpha_And_Omega_rebuttal.html
and http://./Kyrios_rebuttal1.html
, By the Grace of Allah I silencing him again in this paper and Insa Allah every time that he
tries to argue against the
religion of God Almighty (Islam) - he will find me on his way-(as we
Greeks
say) J
Actually
the “response” of Gale is nothing more than a
repeating procedure of his old
articles that have been answered above. He says that: “And yet
Jesus is said to have the exclusive characteristics of God, can
perform the works which God alone can perform, and there are several OT
references which speaks of Yahweh that are applied to him! Here are
some
examples to help drive home this point:”
Let
us see these exclusive characteristics of God. Gale posts:
"And this
was why the Jews persecuted
Jesus, because he did this on the sabbath.
But Jesus answered them, ‘My
Father
is working still, AND I AM WORKING.’
This was why the Jews sought
all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath
but also called God his Father,
making himself equal (ison)
with God."
John 5:16-18
We read in Scoffield’s
notes on the Greek text
that:
Literally, “His own
Father”-Greek- patera
idion. It
is clear that the Jews understood THAT JESUS WAS CLAIMING TO BE
GOD.’” (Scoffield
NKJV, footnote on John 5:18; pg 843;
1989)”
Concerning the argument about the
day of Sabbath has been already addressed:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/lord_of_sabbath.htm
Also the Jews understood that Jesus
is God because Jesus called God his father (God also said that he is
the father
of Israel and Ephraim Jeremiah 31:9), which
also does not prove
that Jesus is God. The assumptions of the Jews do not mean that they
were real.
For example Jews believed and still believe that Jesus is an
illegitimate child
of a roman soldier and that his mother is a prostitute. Will the
Christians or
Gale accept that this is true because it was such understood by the
Jews? I
don’t think so. Also read about if Jesus was God because some
of the Jews
accused him of making himself as God https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/the_accusations.htm
Gale posts the comments of A.T
Robertson:
“But
also called God his own
Father (alla kai patera
idion elege ton qeon). "His own" (idion)
IN A SENSE
NOT TRUE OF OTHERS. That is precisely what
Jesus meant by
"My Father." See Romans 8:32 for
o
idioß uioß,
"his own Son." Making himself
equal with God (ison eauton poiwn
twi
qewi).
Isoß
is an old common adjective (in papyri also) and
means equal. In Philippians 2:6
Paul calls the Pre-incarnate Christ
isa qewi,
"equal to
God" (plural isa,
attributes of God). Bernard thinks that Jesus would not claim to be isoß qewi
because in John 14:28 he
says: "The Father is greater
than I." And yet he says in John 14:7 that
the one who sees him sees in him
the Father. Certainly the Jews
understood Jesus to CLAIMED EQUALITY WITH THE FATHER IN NATURE AND
PRIVILEGE
AND POWER as also in John 10:33; John 19:7.
Besides, if the Jews misunderstood
Jesus on this point, it was open and
easy for him to deny it and to clear up the misapprehension. This is
precisely
what he does not do. On the contrary Jesus gives a
powerful apologetic
in defence of his claim
to equality with the Father
(verses John 19-47). (Source)”
But
amazingly Gale refuted from his favorite
Scholar! By
Saying “Jesus would not claim to be
isoß qewi
because in John 14:28 he
says: "The Father is
greater than
I”. If
the father is grater than Jesus I am asking Robertson and Gale how
Jesus is
equal then with the father?.
Robertson fails to give
references where Jesus SAID that he is equal with the Father, instead
of that
he gives references of what Paul said. As I stated from my previous
articles
Paul has nothing to do with Jesus, actually distorted the teachings of
Jesus.
Read about who Paul really was:
http://islamic-answers.com/jesus__words_only
http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Pauline_Corruption_of_Biblical_Analysis.pdf
(a must read)
http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Jude_s_Epistle__More_Evidence_of_Rift_Between_
Jerusalem_and_Paul__.pdf
http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Was_Paul_or_James__Church_the_more_succesfull_Evangelist.pdf
http://islamic-answers.com/jesus_or_paul_____audio_lecture_
http://islamic-answers.com/christianity
The
quotes
that Robertson gave are John 14:7, John 10:33, John 19:7 and these
verses are “indicating”
according to Robertson that Jesus is equal with God. These verses have
been
explained by Muslim apologists here:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/john14_8_9.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/john10_30.htm
( in that verse we see that God in the Old Testament calls the Jews
“Gods” a
title that was never attributed to Jesus, indeed hilarious!!!!. And
finally
concerning the verse John 19:7 is nothing interested there. In that
verse Jesus
is just accused by the Rabbis that he was called “Son of
God” a
title that has been given also to others in
the Old Testament and New Testament, for example read Luke3:38, Genesis
6:2,4 ,
Jeremiah 31:9, Psalms 2:7, Romans 8:14
But
let us
see some interesting quotes from the Bible that actually rejects the
Deity of
Christ and shows that Jesus is inferior to the Father.
“Not
everyone who
says to Me,
‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of
heaven, but he who does the will of My
Father in heaven”
(Matthew 7:21)
“And
the Father
himself, which hath sent me, bore witness of Me.
You have neither heard his voice at any
time, nor seen his shape” (John 5:37)
“And
Jesus said
to him, ‘Why do you call me good?
No one
is good but God alone.” (Mark 10:18)
“And
I do not
seek My own glory; there
is One who seeks and judges.” (John
8:50)
“
Jesus
answered them and said, “my
doctrine are
not Mine, but His who sent Me” (John 7:16)
“he who does not love me does not
keep My words; and the word which you hear is
not Mine but
the Father’s who sent me” (John 14:24)
“For
I have not
spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave
Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak”
(John 12:49)
“Jesus
said to
them, ‘My food is to do the will of
Him
who sent me, and to accomplish His work” (John 4:34)
“For
I have come
down from heaven, not to do My own will,
but the will of Him who sent me”
(John 6:38)
“saying, ‘Father, if it
is your will, take this cup away from
Me; nevertheless, not My will, but
Yours, be done”
(Luke 22:42)
“I can of Myself
do
nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous,
because I do not
seek My own will but the will of the
Father who sent Me”
(John 5:30)
“I tell you the truth, no servant is greater
than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him”
(John 13:16)
“You
heard me
say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’
If you loved me, you would
be glad that I am going to the Father,
for the Father is greater than I”
(John 14:28)
“Jesus
said to
them, ‘If God were your Father, you would love me, for I
proceeded and came
forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but
he sent me” (John
8:42)
“To
sit at my
right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for
whom it
has been prepared by my Father”
(Matthew 20:23)
“So
Jesus
answered them, “My teaching is not
mine,
but his who sent me”
(John 7:16)
I
believe
that has been made crystal clear to the reader if not that Jesus is
inferior to
God that at least he was sent by the Father, no Christian can deny
that. Jesus
by being the one that the Father sent, automatically puts him in lower
level
because Jesus said ““I tell you the truth, no servant is greater
than his master, nor is a
messenger greater than the one who sent him”.( John 13:16). So easily we can
construct the following argument that proves Jesus was not equal with
God
1)
Jesus was sent by Father
2)
Nor is a messenger (wrongly translated as a
“messenger” the word in Greek is “apostolos” which means
the one that is sent:
apostoloV
apostolos
ap-os'-tol-os
|
from apostellw - apostello
649; a delegate; specially, an
ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ
("apostle") (with miraculous powers):--apostle, messenger, he that is
sent.
|
)
greater than the one who sent him (according
to john13:16)
Source:
http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/index2.htm
3)
Jesus was that “Apostolos”
Apostle because he stated
that he is the sent one from the Father.
4)
Therefore Father is superior to Jesus
Simply the discussion has over, but
I want willingly to continue and expose this amateur Gale and teach him
the
reality of his pagan man made religion of Paul.
Gale support that “Jesus
was essentially saying that because
God was his spiritual (not physical) Father in a special manner he had
the
right to perform certain functions and to act in certain ways that no
other child
of God could. Thus, by making such an assertion Jesus was expressly
claming to
have THE VERY SAME NATURE OF GOD HIMSELF.”
First, Let as see some others
“Childs of God” that perform the same things like
Jesus. All the miracles that
Jesus performed by God permission, is also
performed by others in the
Bible for example:
“Bringing the dead back to life:
"Then
he
cried out to the LORD , "O
LORD my
God, have you brought tragedy also upon this widow I am staying with,
by
causing her son to die?" Then he
stretched himself out
on the boy three times and cried to the LORD
, "O
LORD my God, let this boy's life return to him!" The
LORD
heard Elijah's cry, and the boy's life returned to him,
and he
lived. Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from
the room
into the house. He gave him to his mother and said, "Look,
your son
is alive!" (From the NIV
Bible, 1 Kings 17:20-23)"
"But
the
child's mother said, "As surely as the LORD lives and as you live, I
will
not leave you." So he got up and followed her. Gehazi
went on ahead and laid the staff on the boy's face, but there was no
sound or
response. So Gehazi
went back to meet Elisha
and told him, "The boy has not
awakened." When Elisha
reached the house, there
was the boy lying dead on his couch.
He went in, shut the
door on the two of them and prayed to the LORD. Then he got
on the bed
and lay upon the boy, mouth to mouth, eyes to eyes, hands to hands. As
he
stretched himself out upon him, the boy's body grew warm. Elisha turned away and walked
back and forth in the room
and then got on the bed and stretched out upon him once more. The
boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes.
Elisha summoned Gehazi and said,
"Call the Shunammite."
And he did. When she
came, he said, "Take your son." (From the NIV
Bible, 2 Kings
4:30-36)"
Jesus' dead body never caused
for any dead to come
back to life, but Elisha's
did:
"Elisha died and was
buried. Now Moabite raiders used
to enter the country every spring. Once while some Israelites
were
burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the
man's
body into Elisha's
tomb. When the body
touched Elisha's bones,
the man came to life and
stood up on his feet. Hazael king
of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the
reign of
Jehoahaz. (From the NIV
Bible, 2 Kings
13:20-22)"
Creating life:
Jesus only
restored life,
but never actually created one from scratch. Moses, however,
did create a
live snake from a wooden stick:
"Then
the
LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?" "A
staff," he replied. The LORD said, "Throw it on the
ground." Moses threw it on the ground and
it became a
snake, and he ran from it. Then the
LORD said to him,
"Reach out your hand and take it by the tail." So Moses
reached
out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his
hand. (From
the NIV Bible, Exodus 4:2-4)"
Curing the blind:
"When
the
servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning,
an army
with horses and chariots had surrounded the city.
"Oh,
my lord, what shall we do?" the servant asked. "Don't be
afraid," the prophet answered. "Those who are with us are more than
those who are with them." And Elisha
prayed, "O LORD , open
his eyes so he may
see." Then the LORD opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw
the
hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha
prayed to the LORD ,
"Strike these people with
blindness." So he struck them with blindness, as Elisha
had asked. Elisha
told them,
"This is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me, and I will
lead
you to the man you are looking for." And he led them to Samaria. After
they
entered the city, Elisha
said, "LORD , open the
eyes of these men so they
can see." Then the LORD opened their eyes and they looked,
and there they were, inside Samaria. When
the king of
Israel saw them, he
asked Elisha, "Shall I
kill them, my father? Shall I kill
them?" "Do not kill them," he answered. "Would you
kill men you have captured with your own sword or bow? Set food and
water
before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their
master." So he prepared a great feast for them, and after
they had
finished eating and drinking, he sent them away, and they returned to
their
master. So the bands from Aram stopped raiding Israel's
territory. Some
time later, Ben-Hadad
king of Aram mobilized his
entire
army and marched up and laid siege to Samaria. (From the NIV
Bible, 2
Kings 6:15-24)"
Healing
leprosy:
"Elisha sent a messenger to say
to him, "Go, wash yourself
seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh
will be
restored and you will be cleansed." But Naaman
went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to
me
and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over
the spot
and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana
and Pharpar, the rivers
of Damascus, better than any
of the
waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash
in
them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage. Naaman's servants went to him
and said, "My father, if
the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have
done it?
How much more, then, when he tells you, 'Wash and be
cleansed'!"
So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as
the man
of God had told him, and his flesh was restored
and became clean
like that of a young boy. (From the NIV
Bible, 2 Kings
5:10-14)"
Feeding hundreds with few
loafs of bread:
"A
man
came from Baal Shalishah,
bringing the man of God twenty
loaves of barley bread baked from the first
ripe grain, along with
some heads of new grain. "Give
it to the people
to eat," Elisha
said. "How
can I set this before a hundred men?" his
servant
asked. But Elisha
answered, "Give it to
the people to eat. For this is what the LORD says: 'They will eat and
have some
left over.' " Then
he set it before them,
and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the
LORD. (From the NIV Bible, 2
Kings 4:42-44)"
So
as we
clearly see from the above verses, Jesus' Miracles were not
unique.
Therefore, they can never be used to prove that he is the Creator of
the
Universe. Source: https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm
Secondly,
concerning the “Same Nature that God shares with
Jesus” you can Read the
excellent booklet of Shieh
Ahmed Deedat
that refutes this pathetic argument: you can find this booklet here http://www.jamaat.net/gtnw/god.html
The amateur and desperate
missionary continues by claiming that Jesus applies to himself certain
titles
which belong to God exclusively such as “First and Last” This
argument is also been
addressed: https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/rebuttaltosamshamoun24.htm
( event though, Gale attempted to respond but he really messed up the
whole
issue by repeating what the N.T says and giving his own
interpretations)
The most important think to know is
that during the time that Jesus spends on the earth, NOT ONCE was
addressed as
the Alpha and Omega, not once addressed as the First and the Last. All
of a
sudden we have a Jesus called Alpha and Omega or First and Last in the
Apocalypse
of John which by the way it was a dream and not the actual so called
words of
Jesus. Below I posted a perfect article concerning the subject of Jesus
being
“Alpha and Omega” and “First and the
Last” that exposes the deceit of some
Christians like Gale, by the way this articles is by Christians!
“
Arche
of the Creation of God as Alpha and Omega
(No. 229)
(Edition
1.0 19971217-19971217)
The arguments of
modern
Christianity regarding Christ have much of their origins in Greek
philosophy
and ancient religious practices running contrary to the Bible. Some of
the
biblical texts in English have been mistranslated to conceal the intent
and
structure of the application of the terms because they run counter to
Trinitarian theology. The application of the terms Arche,
Alpha and Omega, first and last, beginning and end, are explained
taking into
account the various texts.
Christian
Churches
of
God
PO Box 369, WODEN ACT 2606, AUSTRALIA
Email: secretary@ccg.org
(Copyright ã 1997 Wade Cox)
This paper may be freely copied and distributed
provided it is copied in
total with no alterations or deletions. The publisher’s name
and address and
the copyright notice must be included. No charge may be levied on
recipients of
distributed copies. Brief quotations may be embodied in critical
articles and
reviews without breaching copyright.
This paper is available
from the World Wide Web page:
http://www.logon.org and http://www.ccg.org
Arche
of the
Creation of God as Alpha and Omega
In the various
papers on
God and the Messiah, we have dealt with the first two aspects of the
concepts
embodied in the Godhead, namely those of God the Father, and Jesus
Christ as
the Son of God. The summary obtained from the first section of our
Statement of
Beliefs is that God the Father is properly the one true God and that
Jesus
Christ is the Son of God and that this understanding is the
prerequisite to
eternal life (Jn. 17:3).
God the Father
The
Supreme Deity of the universe is God. He is the Almighty, the Creator
and Sustainer of the
Heavens, the earth and all things therein
(Gen. 1.1; Neh. 9:6;
Ps. 124:8; Isa.
40:26,28; 44:24; Acts 14:15; 17:24,25; Rev. 14:7). He alone is immortal
(1Tim. 6:16). He is our God
and Father and the God and Father of Jesus Christ (Jn. 20:17). He is the Most
High
God (Gen. 14:18; Num. 24:16; Deut. 32:8; Mk. 5:7) and the One True God (Jn. 17:3; 1Jn. 5:20).
Jesus the Son of
God
Jesus
is the first begotten (prototokos)
of the
creation (Col. 1:15) hence the beginning (arche)
of the creation of God (Rev. 3:14). He is the onlyborn
(monogene)
Son of God (Mat. 3:17; Jn. 1:18; 1Jn. 4:9),
conceived
of the Holy Spirit and born to the virgin, Mariam
incorrectly called Mary in English (Lk.
1:26-35). He is the
Christ or Messiah (Mat. 16:16; Jn.
1:41), sent from God
to be our Saviour
and Redeemer (Mat. 14:33; Jn.
8:42; Eph. 1:7; Tit. 2:14).
The comment at
Revelation 3:14 that Christ is the arche
of
the creation of God has
a great significance. We do
not generally understand today why Jesus Christ said to John in
relation to the
Laodicean church, in
effect, "tell the angel of
the Laodicean church
that I am the arche
of the creation of God". Now the reason
that was done was because, in the Laodicean
church,
the argument was to arise both in the church and in the era that Christ
was not
the arche
of the creation of God. This
argument centres around
the eternality of matter and
the immanence of God within all matter.
The word arche means beginning.
The term used in
Revelation 3:14 appears
to relate to a philosophical
discussion that was extant in the Middle East from Philo
through the
Middle Platonists to the neo-Platonists. The argument centred around the theory of the origin
of the world. You need to
understand this argument because the significance of it goes into the
New Age
Movement. Then you will understand the blasphemy of the New Age
Movement. You
will also understand that it is the prophecy of Jesus Christ that this
argument
would arise in the church in the last days and the Laodicean
church would be prostituted by it and forfeit its right to the first
resurrection. The theologian Clement of Alexandria took up the argument
as a
form of Gnosticism (Gnosis means knowledge
hence Gnosticism was
the process by which the initiated attained enlightenment). There were
two
levels involved; the laity and the Gnostic elements. The priesthood in
fact
became the Gnostic element. They allegedly had the secret knowledge and
the
laity were given a
lesser level of understanding. This
functionally became the doctrine of the Nicolaitans
where the educated priesthood were held to obtain a knowledge which the
laity
did not attain to, or could not attain to because of the mysteries
involved.
Christ said that he hates the doctrine of the Nicolaitans
and the doctrine of Balaam of teaching for hire. The doctrine of Balaam
goes
hand in hand with the doctrine of the Nicolaitans
and
it, in fact, is directly anti-Christ. It confines or limits the
capacity of the
Holy Spirit to grow in the individual. We must understand the
relationship and
its application to the Holy Spirit. The doctrines are covered in the
papers The
Nicolaitans
(No. 202) and also The Doctrine of
Balaam and Balaam’s Prophecy (No. 204).
Clement followed
the
Jewish author Philo in interpreting the beginning of Genesis by
resorting to
the Platonic distinction between the sensible and the intelligible
world. The
material and immaterial worlds were basically developed along Platonic
lines.
Thus he was also in agreement with the school-Platonism which had also
regarded
the sensible world as a copy of the intelligible. Salvatore Lilla
(Clement of Alexandria, Ch. III, Oxford University
Press, 1971, p. 192)
notes this and on page 230 says:
In
the doctrine of matter Clement, like Philo and
Middle Platonism, seems to believe in its pre-existence and considers
it as
devoid of any form and quality (cf. Ch. III, p. 226).
The agreement was
only
partial as Clement rejects the view of school-Platonism according to
which
matter is one of the archai
– the plurality of
the beginning of the origins of the world. Clement said that could not
be; but
they said it was, and that matter was original. Clement maintains that
God is
the only true arche
and that all other arche
followed from God. Now Christ was saying that
he was the arche
of the creation of God
because he created by delegation from God. That is the biblical
position, and
why Jesus Christ said it. Clement held later, that God is the only true
arche,
which is true from Revelation 4, where
all things are created by the will of God. But the Platonists were
saying that
matter itself was an arche.
Clement
believed in the existence of matter prior to the origin of the world.
In other
words, matter had an intrinsic existence prior to the actual formation
of the
world. This is similar to the big bang theory where
matter existed in
the beginning. It was initiated and then condensed, formed into
planets. So the
world was created out of the big bang matter. So
the big bang
theory is not new. This is a Platonic doctrine. Clement defended the
charge
that the Stoics, Plato, and Aristotle had regarded matter as one of the
first
principles. He maintained that matter had been described by these
philosophers
as originally devoid of any quality and defined by Plato as me
on coming
into existence in a receptacle (upodoche)
(see
Timaeus
49e-50a, 50b-c), and being devoid of
form (Tim. esp. 50d-e), difficult to know (51b1),
apprehensible by means
of illegitimate (bastard: Lilla)
reasoning, and
hardly believable (52b2). Clement appears to agree with them completely
(Lilla, p. 193). So
there you have the churches starting to
formulate these concepts, moving away from the biblical into the
Platonic. This
is the precursor to Trinitarian reasoning and it is Platonism, pure and
simple.
Philo (the Jewish philosopher writing in the period before Christ) and
Plutarch
on the contrary consider matter as still an ousia
(Lilla, p. 230). Lilla says
that Plutarch together with the other Middle Platonists such as Albinus, Apuleis
and the authors
of the third book of Diogenes Laertius
and of Hippolytus
regarded matter as eternal and as devoid of any
quality and form (ibid., Ch. III, pp. 193,195-6). So they were
effectively
saying it’s up there but there’s no quality,
it’s hanging in the ether.
You have this format (eternality) which possesses the qualities of God.
It has
eternality in its own right. From that thought process came
the Babylonian Animist system. This reasoning was derived from the
Babylonian
and it is rather the formulation of those thought processes. In
regarding
matter as me on Clement agrees with neo-Pythagoreanism,
with Plotinus, and
perhaps also with Ammonius
Saccas (Lilla, Ch. III, pp. 195-196 and
fn. 1, p. 226).
Thus, matter is in
debate as to whether it is formless eternal or formless created. That
is the
essence of the argument. The formless eternality of matter makes it an ousia or hypostasis
of God, hence God is
immanent because matter is a hypostasis of God and therefore God is in
matter.
From this quasi-Gnostic reasoning the Trinity was developed where the
three
hypostases of God were the primary hypostases. Now we are going beyond
that in
the churches.
The question then
arose:
Was the world generated or ungenerated?
In other
words, did it have life of itself or was it created. This pre-empts the
argument
today of evolution and creation. Christ was saying that it was not;
that he was
the arche.
He was the instrument of
God’s creation and that matter (the world) itself was not an arche and God
is not immanent in matter, is not in
rocks, in stone, and glass. To say that God is immanent in matter, in
means of
destruction and killing and that God himself is intrinsically evil, is blasphemy. You then get
to the point where Satan
was held to be evil from the moment of his creation and is in fact just
a hypostasis
of the evil of God.
Similarly, the
angels
are merely hypostases of God, as aspects of His message. One can now
see the
enormity of the blasphemy that is emerging. People are blinded to this
problem.
Chiefly because they are following
doctrines of government
which have nothing to do with the biblical system. That is
why God and
Christ hate the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.
It
blinds people to the truth. They are subverted by Platonist doctrines.
The
elect are to be made aware of this doctrinal error.
The message to
the Laodiceans
is made somewhat clearer from this
discussion. The philosophical debate centred around
the contention that matter itself was an ousia
or hypostasis of the one and thus God was immanent
in all matter. God
was thus in wood and stone. This is the fundamental supposition behind
Animism
including that found in Babylon, Shamanism, and
all of
Liberation Theology extending to Buddhism and into Japanese Shintoism.
Now Sir Wallace Budge’s
book on Babylon (he excavated it)
has
been around for a long time. We have known for more than a hundred
years what
the Babylonian religion is. The Babylonian religion was animistic and
that is
exactly the religion being pushed through many of the Churches today.
Clement, like
Philo and
the Middle Eastern Platonists – Plutarch and Atticus
– openly favoured generation. Clement, following Philo,
maintains that creation
did not take place in time, since time itself is directly dependent
upon the
sensible world (Lilla,
p. 230). This is fundamentally
wrong (for the reasons outlined previously and in other papers) and was
taken
up by Augustine in City of God. To repeat the
section
on Time and Immortality from the paper Eternal
Life (No. 133):
The
concept of time only occurs when there is a
relationship between objects. For example a day occurs as the movement
of the
earth on its axis in relation to the sun. A solar year is understood as
the
singular revolution of the earth around the Sun. There are various
years
involved in the rotation of the galaxy, i.e. Solar/Sidereal/Galactic.
The
universe has an expansion factor which relates the movement away from a
primary
point.
The
primary point was determined by Penrose as being
ten to the tenth to the 123rd [power]. Thus from the sheer magnitude of
this
number there must be a point of origin, and no other, for the universe.
All of
this movement is expressed in concepts of time which are related to the
earth
system.
Regardless
of the method of measurement it can only be
that time originates with the relationship of two or more objects to
each
other. Thus time could only begin with the existence of two or more
objects.
God existed before time. The generation of the elohim
was in fact the beginning of time: The beginning of the creation of God
(Rev.
3:14). Colossians 1:15
says
that Christ was the first begotten of the Creation.
The
Lord God is thus the Alpha, as both cause and
existent, and being the end objective of that action He is also the
Omega:
Revelation
1:8 'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says
the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come.
when
he becomes all in
all (Eph. 1:23).
So the concept of
time
began with the formulation of Jesus Christ. For
when Jesus
Christ was generated (and the elohim
were generated)
time began because there was a relationship between two beings.
God
alone existed in immortality. Regardless of the matter of measurement,
these
two objects originate time. Christ then becomes the creation of God
from his
generation. All creation originates from him and through him. So God is
of the
Alpha as both cause and existence and the end objective of the action.
Thus, He
is also the Omega from Revelation 1:8. Thus, Christ warned the Laodicean church and we are to
take notice of the warnings
to the Laodiceans.
Alpha
and Omega as extended to Jesus Christ
The titles Alpha
and
Omega and the other terms used particularly in the book of Revelation
answer
Greek philosophical concerns as well as state the obvious facts of the
delegation of the position of elohim
to the elect
through Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:11 in the KJV has a
reference to Alpha and Omega as applied to Jesus
Christ. This title is absent in the RSV and the ancient texts (cf.
Companion
Bible note to the text). It appears only in the Receptus
and hence the KJV.
The importance of
this
addition is in its use to conceal the sequence of what is happening in
the
application of the titles from God to Christ in the sequence of the
prophecy of
Revelation.
Hence the original
text
which reads more or less as the RSV:
Revelation 1:11 11
saying, "Write what you see in a book and send
it
to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Per'gamum
and to Thyati'ra
and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to La-odice'a."
(RSV)
This text becomes
in the
KJV:
Revelation
1:11 11 Saying,
I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send
it unto the seven
churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and
unto Sardis, and unto
Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
(KJV)
This insertion in
the
text is done specifically to support Trinitarianism
and negate the intent of the rest of Revelation in this matter.
Revelation 1:8
explains
this reference as applying to God who Revelation 1:6 says is the God
and Father
of Christ.
Revelation
1:8 8 "I
am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and who was and
who
is to come, the Almighty. (RSV)
We see again the
KJV
using the Receptus
deletes the words ho theos or The
God and
uses only kurios
or Lord. The text then
carries the entirely different and fraudulent intent of both texts
referring to
Christ when Alpha and Omega are distinctly vested in the Lord God and
Father of
Christ and not applied to Christ at all from the beginning. This has
much to do
with the theology as it was developed from the Greek philosophical and
Trinitarian concerns we see here. It was a deliberate attempt at
concealing the
true nature of the position of Christ in relation to his God and
elevating him
in the false structure of the Trinity.
Revelation
1:8 8 I
am
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith
the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
(KJV)
Revelation 1:17 and 2:8 do not
contain the words Alpha and Omega. They use protos and eschatos
which imply another concept in distinction to the Alpha and Omega.
Revelation
1:17 17
When I
saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand
upon me,
saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, (RSV)
Revelation
2:8 8 "And
to the angel of the church in Smyrna
write:
`The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (RSV)
The terms protos and eschatos
carry the concepts contained in Revelation 3:14 where Christ is
the arche
or beginning of the creation of God as prototokos
or first begotten as a spiritual son. He
later became the only born God of John 1:18 (as theos
or elohim
or monogene
theos).
This function is
increased. At the return of Messiah and in the end process with the
advent of
the City of God, we see Messiah
as Alpha and
Omega. These titles were not applied to him initially, which is the
motivation
behind the false translations and additions.
In Revelation
22:13-16
we see the two titles become merged in Messiah as he comes as the
bright and
morning star.
Revelation
22:13-16 13 I
am
the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the
end."
14
Blessed are those who wash their robes,
that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may
enter the
city by the gates. 15
Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and
fornicators
and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices
falsehood. 16
"I
Jesus have sent my angel
to you with this testimony
for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright
morning
star." (RSV)
He is given these
titles
as delegated power from God. As the protos
of
the creation he becomes one with the Alpha. As the eschatos
of the creation he becomes one with the Omega as
God becomes all in all
(Eph. 4:6).
Revelation 21:6
shows
the point when this event happens. Christ becomes
the Alpha and the
Omega and the arche
and the telos.
He is stated as arche
or the beginning of the creation of God from Revelation 3:14. Here we
have arche
as beginning and telos
as end. The word occurred is the collective neuter
plural gegonan
(cf. Rev. 16 and 17 and Marshall's Interlinear
RSV). It
is translated as it is done. However it means and Marshall renders it as
it has
occurred.
Revelation
21:6 6 And
he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and
the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from
the
fountain of the water of life without payment. (RSV)
It has occurred is translated as
it
is done to conceal the concept that this process of God
becoming all in all
commences with Christ who was not that way in the beginning.
We are thus
dealing with
a progressive concept of the activities of Messiah and the elect.
"Behold
I make all things new".
God is becoming
all in
all. Thus God is the Omega or end result of His own creation. The
Trinitarian
translators of the KJV deliberately hide this fact and concept from its
readers.
Christ
as Arche within Trinitarianism
The arguments
referred
to above are held to be a feature of the message to the Laodicean
church. Thus the argument must be a central source of error in that
church – or
era by extension. The prophesies
say what the error
is. It is the central error of the Laodicean
church
and the reason that God spews the Laodicean
church
out of His mouth.
Christ is saying
that he
was the arche
of the creation of God. Clement
had to have God as the only true arche
to
prevent the concept of Christ being the beginning of an activity of
God. That
is what it is all about. The Trinitarians do not want Christ in that
position
because Christ then becomes an activity of God rather than God Himself
as a Binitarian
structure.
Unless you have
the Binitarian
structure you can’t build the Trinity – and the
seeds of the Trinity are inherent in the Binitarian
structure. Hence, Binitarianism
contains the seeds of
its own destruction. Hand in hand with this error is the Soul doctrine.
Clement
was, however, a theologian who was, to all intents and purposes, a
Gnostic. He
believed in the Soul doctrine and that the souls ascended through seven
levels
and are free from material passions and possess gnosis (Lilla,
p. 182). Thus the elect were held to go through this process of
enlightenment.
Any church, on becoming Trinitarian, will be committed to embracing the
Soul
doctrine. Ultimately there has to be a world soul system developed and
then
individuals become part of that world soul. The ascent of the seven
levels that
Clement is talking about is pure Shamanism. It emanated from the
Babylonian
system and went out into the Steppes of Russia with the dispersion
after the
flood. It formed the Shamanic systems where the adherent goes from one
level to
the next through seven levels generally. There can be as many as nine
and
thirteen. There is a spirit or demon controlling (or God as they call
them)
each of the seven levels until you ascend to the highest level.
That’s what
Clement was proposing and that’s what the Platonic mystical
ascents are all
about. That was what the Cappadocian
theologians were
proposing. They were advocating mystical ascent of the seven levels.
The deity
they got to was not God. They were demonists. The same system applies
in
Buddhism today. At a Buddhist preordination ceremony there is a cone
with
levels in it, with an egg on one level; all of it symbolic of evoking
the
spirits down through the levels to go into the adherent. Anyone in
Buddhism is
necessarily in the Shamanic system. They invoke the spirits to go into
them and
take them over. The whole structure of ascent of the soul is geared
around
demonism and an invocation of spirits. It is a different spirit to the
Holy
Spirit. That is why it is important to understand that before we study
the Holy
Spirit. The material difference between Christian, Platonist and
Gnostic
creation theory involving arches is that the
Gnostics believed that the archontes
were generally evil powers under the jurisdiction
of Jaldabaoth the
inferior demiurge of the material
world (see Apochryphon
of John 41:12-14
and codex II Krause-Labib,
II. 4-5, p. 139; Lilla,
p. 183 and fn. 5). The functional difference is in
the first two centuries. The identification as the Logos was done as
the second
hypostasis of God. Clement identifies the logos as
the second hypostasis
of God, not the first with the divine wisdom, the first of the beings
created
by God and His adviser (Lilla,
p. 208). The adviser
to God was wisdom from Proverbs 8:22. That comes from a misapprehension
of the
role of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was the first power of God
extant with
God in the creation. The Holy Spirit did not come after Christ. It
logically
emanated from God, as His power. It is the means by which Christ and all of the Host are tied to God.
This argument is so
important, so study it to understand the arguments of these people.
The debate thus
centred around a
philosophy which sought to wrest Scripture or
misapply that Scripture so that all elements of the creation were in
fact hypostases
or ousia
of God. Hypostases and ousia
were not the same disciplinary terms. Hypostases
is a Stoic term; ousia
is a Platonic term. Both mean essentially the same thing. The
Trinitarians use
hypostases as aspects of the one ousia.
So they use the two terms to mean God as containing the three
hypostases.
It is important to understand what these people are saying when they
use the
terms (see the paper The Use of the Term Hypostasis
(No. 230) for a
fuller explanation of these terms). The angels are thus held to be
hypostases
of God as the demons are also. Thus Satan could be evil from the moment
of his
creation as has been advanced recently by some academics in the
Churches of
God. We have seen already how this is not true. The Bible is quite
clear that
Satan was perfect from the moment of his creation (Ezek. 28:15).
The concept is
that: As
God is immanent and all entities are merely hypostases of God, Satan is
thus an hypostases who
has no reality other than as an expression
of the mind of God. Similarly, the angels also merely reflect God and
have no
real existence other than as hypostases. This deception extends to
material
immanence through the neo-Platonist philosophical developments. It
extends
beyond fundamental Trinitarianism
into Process
Theology developed from neo-Platonism. It is the basis of the system of
worship
of the last days.
This system of
Process
Theology developed by neo-Platonists from Trinitarianism
will be the system which will take over Buddhism and all these other
religions
and combine it into the system of the last days. It is applicable to Shintoism and Hindu Liberation
Theology. It is a
generalised system and it is a means of destruction of the Catholic
Church, not
of its preservation. It is the means by which the Beast turns on the
Whore and
destroys it. We are, in fact, watching the religion of the last days
being
instituted. It also has its beginning in the Churches of God. It is
from this
system that the Man of Sin will ascend. This system would deceive even
the very
elect if that were possible.
This concept is
the
absolute deception and has entered the Church of God in the last days
as
Christ indicates. Christ made the comments to show that he was the
beginning or
arche
of the creation of God. Clement was
correct in that God was the true arche
in that
He created from His will and from His will all things were created
(Rev. 4:11).
God is thus the creator but Christ was the instrument of the creation
and was
its beginning (see above).
The idea that the
divine
wisdom is the adviser of God and the first of the beings created by God
is,
according to Lilla,
characteristic of the
Jewish-Alexandrine philosophy prior to Philo. So the Jews at Alexandria understood that
wisdom
was the first of the elements created by God. So it proceeded from God,
with
the Word of God then coming into existence and being tied together to
God, by
wisdom as the Holy Spirit. It is the Sophia of Ecclesiasticus
1:4 and the first created entity of Proverbs 8:22. The Wisdom of
Solomon 9:9
shows it assists God in the creation. Genesis refers to the Spirit of
God at
Genesis 1:2. The writers just before Christ incorrectly explained this
aspect
of the power of God as a being and this error has
persisted to this day
as the concept that the Holy Spirit is a person. That is the origin of
the
error.
The Spirit was
logically
the first emanation of God, because the generation of Christ and the
other elohim made it
logically necessary for there to be in place
a mechanism for their integration with God in order that there be
absolute
Monotheism as a unified whole. God is the centre of all beings. All
beings in
the Host are tied to Him by the Holy Spirit. It is through the Spirit
that the
nature of God is transmitted to all beings, both Christ and the rest of
the
elect, and ultimately all humans. That’s the mechanism and
unless you
understand that process you can’t really understand what is
happening with the
Holy Spirit. It occurs because the law of God emanates from the abiding
goodness
of the nature of God. So, it can’t be Binitarian
because there is an ultimate centrality to goodness, and that goodness
is God.
Christ said that only God is good; why call
me
good, only God is good because of the
logic of the centrality of
ultimate goodness. You can’t have a ditheist system.
Reasoning, logic, tells us
that we cannot. The law of God proceeds from the nature of God that
stands
forever, as God Himself is unchangeable, being essentially good as the
centre
of ultimate goodness.”
Source: http://www.logon.org/english/s/p229.html
Also check: https://www.answering-christianity.com/alpha_omega.htm
As you have already understand the
arguments of Gale is just a vain repetition that already have been
refuted. For
example check below what the parrot Gale repeats:
Other
exclusive Divine prerogatives which Jesus claims to have include
the following:
"... And they
came, bringing to Him a paralytic, carried by four men... And Jesus
seeing
their faith said to the paralytic, `My son, your sins are
forgiven.' But
there were some of the scribes sitting there and reasoning in their
hearts,
`Why does this man speak that way? HE IS BLASPHEMING; WHO CAN
FORGIVE SINS
BUT GOD ALONE?' And immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit
that they were
reasoning that way within themselves, said to them, `Why are you
reasoning
about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the
paralytic,
"Your sins are forgiven"; or to say, "Arise take up your pallet
and walk"? But in order that you may know that THE SON OF MAN
HAS
AUTHORITY ON EARTH TO FORGIVE SINS'- He said to the
paralytic- `I say to
you, rise, take up your pallet and go home.' And he rose and
immediately took
up the pallet and went out in the sight of all; so that they were all
amazed
and were glorifying God, saying, `We have never seen anything
like this.'"
Mark 2:3, 5-12”
As
you see, Gale is repeating his self. Just
check his firs response to me to identify his repetition. Anyway the
answer
from my side is the same. Jesus has authority and power by
the Father he does not owns it, therefore he cannot be a God.
Now
they have known that all things whatever you
have given me are of you.
John 17:7
The
phrase “all things” refer to miracles,
power to forgive sins, etc
1.
These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his
eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son,
that your
Son also may glorify you:
2.
As
you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give
eternal life
to as many as you have given him. John 17:1-2
The
Father gave power to Jesus
All power is given unto me
in
heaven and in earth. ( Matthew 28:18)
I can
of my own self do nothing:
as
I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own
will, but
the will of the Father which has sent me. John 5:30
Again
and again it is crystal clear that Jesus
can do nothing without the Father, therefore Jesus cannot be like the
Father,
which means that cannot be God.
Gale
show us the a verse from the antichrist
Paul which is Hebrews 1:8-9, total irrelevant, Paul has nothing to do
with
Jesus, and this is not the perspective of Jesus. Check above the
statements of
Jesus where he denies deity. But it is really interesting to see in
that verse
the stupidity of Paul:
8.
But to the Son he said, Your
throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the
scepter
of your kingdom.
9.
You have loved righteousness, and hated
iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil
of
gladness above your fellows. Hebrews 1:8-9
Here
we can identify pure ancient Greek
Polytheism! A God that has a God.
Therefore
2 Gods. But surprisingly the unholy Bible clearly accepts
the idea that
a man can be called god. For example we read:
I
have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of
the most High. Psalms
82:6
Now
the Christians apologist support that this
verse is a metaphorical one, personally I don’t care if it is
literally or
metaphorical because simple we have the word “GODS”
which describes humans. So
even Jesus ever declared God (which nowhere occurs by the lips of
Jesus) it
does not mean NOTHING according to Psalms 82:6
But
it getting worst
for Gale. Concering the
quote Hebrews 1:9 he says:
“As
for the part dealing with anointing, "to
anoint" means to appoint
someone and set him aside for the service of God”
It
seems Gale cannot understand or comprehend
what he writes because from the above statement he clearly shows that
Jesus was
anointed by God, therefore according to his above statement Jesus is
the
SERVANT of God. This amateur needs to go back to School in order to
learn how
to construct an argument.
Moreover,
Gale admits in a diplomatic way a
contradiction that occurs in his unholy book:
He
quotes: “‘But,’ he said, ‘you
cannot see my
face, for man shall not see me and live.’” Exodus
33:20
“Yet both the Old and New
Testaments refer to God appearing to people on more than one
occasion:”
Then
Gale
quotes the verses Genesis 32:24-30, Isaiah
6:1-5, Ezekiel 1:26-28,
2:1-5, to show us that God
appeared to the people. Indeed sickness of the high order! This
missionary
exposes his own unholy book as a contradictory one. He tries also to
support
that the God that did not appeared was the Father but the One that
appeared was
the Son God, I ask him directly this clown, “ from were have
you drawn this
conclusion Gale? I challenge you first of all to show me where the
Jesus is
described as God the Son. Then he quotes:
"No
one has ever seen God. It is GOD THE ONLY SON, who
is close to the
Father's heart, who has
made him known." John 1:18 NRSV
Quennel
Gale use a wrong
translation concerning John 1:18. Let us check
some other translations of the Bible to see that there is no mention of
the phrase
“God the only Son”:
[18]
No man
hath seen God at any time; the only
begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath
declared him.
John 1:18
King James Version
1:18 No man hath seen
God at any time; the
only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath
declared him
John 1:18
American Standard
Version
18
No one has seen God at any time;
the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath
declared him.
John 1:18
Darby
The
Greek
text says:
qeon
oudeiV
ewraken
pwpote
o
monogenhV
uioV
o
wn
eiV
ton
kolpon
tou
patroV
ekeinoV
exhghsato
1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only
begotten Son, which is
in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
Source: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/index2.htm
As
you see
there is absolutely nothing such us “God the only
Son”. The desperate
missionary continues by challenging me:
- “How many prophets or angels were called GOD THE
ONLY SON like Jesus?
- How many prophets or angels did God the Father call
GOD and tell them that their throne would last forever?
- How many prophets or angels claimed to be the very
“First and Last” like God Almighty?
- How many prophets or angels claimed to be equal
with God?”
My responses to the following
challenges are simply to answer:
1.
There is no such thing “God
the
only Son” and I challenge you to show me from the original
Greek N.T where
occurs such a phrase. I clearly demonstrated that this is an error from
NRSV
Bible translation
2.
God never declared no one as God, it is just the
opinion, and the
interpretation of the satan
and antichrist Paul. I
challenge you to show me where Jesus SAID directly that the Father
called him
God.
3.
Read: http://www.logon.org/english/s/p229.html
https://www.answering-christianity.com/alpha_omega.htm
Have been already
addressed
4.
No one of the Prophets claimed to be equal
with God, Jesus said “my Father is Greater than I”
John 14:28. Do you call that
equality?
Gale
continuously tries to defend the antichrist Paul. In my response I
quoted from
the Bible the verses that present Paul as a deceiver and a liar then he
posts
the “answer” of Sam Shamoun
which is the following:
“Paul on Lying
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") often claim that Paul admitted to lying in
Romans 3:7-8. Yet
when we actually read these verses in context, a different picture
altogether
arises. It is clear that Paul was speaking figuratively. Paul was
addressing
how man's unrighteousness manifests God's righteous judgment more
clearly. Paul
then addresses a hypothetical question a person might ask that if in
fact one's
falsehood proves that God is righteous, then why does God condemn the
individual? Here is the passage in question:
“But if our unrighteousness brings out
God's righteousness more clearly,
what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I
am
using a human argument.) Certainly not! If that were so, how
could God
judge the world? ‘If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness
and so increases
his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?’ Why not say
- as we are
being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say
– ‘Let
us do evil that good may result’? Their
condemnation is deserved.”
Romans 3:5-8
Interestingly, Paul indicates that it was deceitful
men who were
slanderously accusing the Apostle of condoning sin and falsehood, a
charge to
which Paul places under the condemnation of God”
Sam
Shamoun considers that
the context begins from verse Romans
3:5 and ends to the verse 8. Then Shamoun
states that
Paul indicates that it was the deceitful men who were slanderously
accusing him
(Paul). But this not the case.
Paul addresses the people
that accusing him of promoting evil in order to result good, not
concerning
about his lie. Paul refers not about his lie, only refers and accuse
the people
that they are saying that he promote evil in order for good results.
This
accusation of Paul has nothing to do about saying lies is just address
the
people that he is not using evil, but he never argues that he
don’t use lies.
For
if
the truth of God has more abounded through
my lie to his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Romans 3:7 King
James Version
Notice that Paul says that he was
reported to do evil, these is what Paul denies and accuse but he
support and
accept the lie simply because Paul does not consider lying to be an
evil act.
There is a clear distinction. Even Shamoun
admits the
following:
“Paul basically addresses a
possible objection which a person may raise
that one should continue lying if this
further glorifies God and refutes it by saying that one must
be truthful”
Therefore according to Shamoun there is no problem if
we lie. Total
mess.
Then he wrongly and falsely post the quote:
"I have been a fool! You forced me to it,
for I ought to have been commended by you. For
I was not at
all inferior to these super-apostles, even though I am nothing.
The
signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience,
with
signs and wonders and mighty works. For in what were you less favored
than the
rest of the churches, except that I myself did not burden you? Forgive me this wrong! Here
for
the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden,
for I
seek not what is yours but you. For children are not obligated to save
up for
their parents, but parents for their children. I will most gladly spend
and be
spent for your souls. If I love you more, am I to be loved less? But
granting
that I myself did not burden you, I was crafty and got the better of
you by
deceit. Did I take advantage of
you
through any of those whom I sent to you? I urged
Titus to go, and
sent the brother with him. Did
Titus take advantage of you? Did we not act in
the same spirit? Did
we not take the same steps? Have you been thinking all along that we
have been
defending ourselves to you? It is in the sight of God that we have been
speaking in Christ, and all for your upbuilding,
beloved. For I fear that perhaps when I come I may find you not as I
wish, and
that you may find me not as you wish--that perhaps there may be
quarreling,
jealousy, anger, hostility, slander, gossip, conceit, and disorder. I
fear that
when I come again my God may humble me before you, and I may have to
mourn over
many of those who sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity,
sexual
immorality, and sensuality that they have practiced. 2 Corinthians
12:11-21
The chapter begins as follows and
sees how they hide it in purpose:
11. I am
become a fool in glorying; you have compelled me: for I ought
to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very most
chief
apostles, though I be nothing.
12. Truly the signs of an apostle
were worked among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and
mighty deeds.
13. For
what is it wherein you were inferior to other churches, except it be
that I
myself was not burdensome to you? forgive
me this
wrong.
14. Behold, the third time I am
ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek
not your's but you: for
the children ought not to lay up for
the parents, but the parents for the children.
15. And I will very gladly spend
and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I
be loved.
16. But be
it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I
caught you with guile.
17. Did I make a gain of you by any
of them whom I sent to you?
18. I desired Titus, and with him I
sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked
we not in the same spirit? walked
we not in the same
steps?
19. Again, think you that we excuse
ourselves to you? we
speak before God in Christ: but
we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.
20. For I fear, lest, when I come,
I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found to you
such as
you would not: lest there be debates, contentions, wraths, strifes,
backbitings,
whisperings, arrogance, tumults:
21. And lest, when I
come
again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall mourn many
which have
sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and
fornication and
lasciviousness which they have committed. 2 Corinthians 12:11-21
From the above verses Paul presented
as glorying personality and the worst is that he accuses others for his
boastfulness, also he is presenting that he caught people with guile.
The only
pathetical response by missionary Shamoun
is to say
that he is speaking with sarcasm. He also claims that Paul deals with
some
accusations here that occur from the verse 2 Corinthians 10:1-18. Let us see if that is the
case:
1. Now I Paul myself
beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence
am base
among you, but being absent am bold toward you:
2. But I beseech you,
that I may not be bold when I am present with that
confidence, with
which I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we
walked
according to the flesh.
3. For though we walk in the flesh,
we do not war after the flesh:
4. (For the weapons of our warfare
are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5. Casting down imaginations, and
every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and
bringing
into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6. And having in a readiness to
revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
7. Do you look on things after the
outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's,
let him of
himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we
Christ's.
8. For though
I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which
the Lord has given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I
should
not be ashamed:
9. That I may not seem as if I
would terrify you by letters.
10. For his letters, say they, are
weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech
contemptible.
11. Let such an
one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are
absent,
such will we be also in deed when we are present.
12. For we dare not make ourselves
of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves:
but they
measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among
themselves,
are not wise.
13. But we will not boast of things
without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God
has
distributed to us, a measure to reach even to you.
14. For we stretch not ourselves
beyond our measure, as though we reached not to you: for we are come as
far as
to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
15. Not boasting of things without
our measure, that is, of other men's labors; but having hope, when your
faith
is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule
abundantly,
16. To preach the gospel in the
regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man's line of things
made ready
to our hand.
17. But he that glories, let him
glory in the Lord.
18. For
not he that commends himself is approved, but whom the Lord commends. 2 Corinthians 1:18
As you have read there are no
accusations here in the above quote, only poor imaginations from the
missionary
Shamoun and his clown
Gale. But the interesting thing
is that if we compare the two quotes “2 Corinthians 1:18 and 2 Corinthians 12:11-21we have some contradictory meanings, for
example Paul says “I am become a
fool in
glorying” (2 Corinthians 12:11) and the whole quote of 2 Corinthians 1:1-18
argues that “though I should boast
somewhat more of
our authority” (2 Corinthians 1:8)
. So we must ask this fool Paul
(according to his statement) is a good thing to boast (2 corinthians
1:8) or his a fool for that (2
Corinthians 12:11)? The whole point is that Paul claimed
that he is a liar, a
deceiver and preaching with guile. By the way such was understood by
his
people, and according to Gale If this was understood by a community for
a
person then this is true. I am saying that because Gale always presents
the
argument that if the Jews understood that Jesus was God then Jesus is
God. In
my turn I say to Gale if Paul was understood that he was a deceiver,
liar and
preaching with guile (actually he admitted from the above verses) then
this is
the truth. Shamoun then
desperately brings the scholars
to back up his own falsely interpretations but this a really waste of
time
because the text is so clear in which Paul describe
himself as a deceiver, liar, and preaching
with guile.
The desperate amateur Christian
brings the subject of Allah being a deceiver. This argument has been
already
eliminated. He quotes for example
The Hypocrites - they
seek to deceive Allah
but it is Allah Who DECEIVES them. When they stand up to
prayer, they stand
without earnestness, to be seen of men, but little do they hold Allah
in
remembrance; S. 4:142
I am asking Gale what is the wrong
with God deceiving the deceivers? They are evildoers and they deserve
it. Gale
also quote:
And
(the unbelievers) schemed and
planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is
Allah. S.
3:54
Again,
Allah schemed to whom? To the
unbelievers.
[008:030]
Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep
thee in
bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan,
and God
too plans; but the best of planners is God
To whom again? To the unbelievers who slay
and
drive people out of their homes.
You cannot compare
God to those evildoers. Because those evildoers are
deceiving innocent people, while God is deceiving those evil doers in
order to
stop their evil plots.
Even Sam Shamoun said in his debate that
he had
with Shabyr Ally
“About
deception that’s a difficulty in Islamic scholarship and I
cannot
comment because I do believe that God is sovereign and can choose to
use
methods that to us seem to be unacceptable but it does not affect on
his holiness
so I have no problem with that Quranic
statement”
Source: Part 3,
which can be downloaded here in the 16th
minute, 35th second
But why Gale has a
problem with God deceiving people? I am asking because
his own unholy Bible describes God that deceives people even the
innocent ones!
Jeremiah
4:10
Then
I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have
deceived (nasha) this
people and Jerusalem by
saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."
The
word for deceived here is nasha, which means
1) to
beguile, deceive
a) (Niphal) to be beguiled
b) (Hiphil)
to beguile, deceive
c) (Qal)
utterly (infinitive)
Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html
Jeremiah is
not indifferent
to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10
a note is struck to which he will
return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses
the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably
by having allowed
false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13–14). The only reply
is the Lord’s
own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)
Even
it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception; the
Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the
false
prophets to do the deception. This is what the
“inspired” author Jeremiah said
and this is what we got to accept. God deceived innocent people.
The difference is that Allah deceives for the purpose of good and
not evil. Deception is usually associated with negative aspects,
however Allah did not do so.
Other verses that
present the biblical God as a deceiver:
1
Samuel 16:16
"Let our lord command his
servants here to search for
someone who can play the harp. He will play when
the
evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you
will feel
better."
1
Samuel 18:10
"The next day an
evil spirit from God came
forcefully upon Saul. He was
prophesying in his house,
while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear
in his
hand..."
1
Samuel 19:9
"But an
evil spirit from the LORD came upon
Saul as he was sitting in his house with his
spear in his hand. While David was
playing
the harp,..."
1
Kings 22:23 "God
sent LYING SPIRITS to lie to people"
I would love an
answer
from the clown Gale.
He continues by
ignoring
my challenge on the topic “Where Jesus said he is
God”? And he gives a link which
supports that Jesus indeed said that he is God. This is the biggest
Joke
because in all of his quotes that he gives from the lips of Jesus, NOT
ONCE
Jesus says “I am God”. I remind again to the
reader( especially to Christians)
That even if Jesus was said that he is God then again does not mean
anything
and we must not take him as God, very simple because God said to common
people
“you are Gods” (Psalms
82:6). Which obviously according to Christianity
and Judaism don’t consider them as Gods.
But again Gale
fails to present such evidences because simple Jesus never said he is
God, yet
his title of his article says that Jesus said it! Indeed hilarious.
Therefore
this clown never met the challenge and will never be able to.
Gale continues his
desperate article by trying to solve the problem of Paul vision he
quotes:
55.
When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light
and heard a voice. Did those who
were with him hear the voice (Acts 9:7), or did they not (Acts 22:9)?
(Category:
misunderstood the Greek usage or the text
is compatible with a little thought)
Although the
same Greek word is used in both accounts (akouo), it has two
distinct
meanings: to perceive sound and to understand. Therefore, the
explanation is
clear: they heard something but did not understand what it was saying.
Paul, on
the other hand, heard and understood. There is no contradiction.
(Haley
p.359)
Indeed a foolish
answer.
First of all the word that the Greek
text use is “akouodes”
not “akouo”
But this is
not the problem. Let us post the two quotes and see for
your self the
contradiction:
And the men which
journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing
a voice, but seeing no man. (Acts 9:7)
Vs
And they that were
with
me saw indeed the light, and were
afraid; but they heard not the voice of
him that spoke to me. Acts 22:9
As you can
understand,
acts 9:7 speaks about “hearing a voice” and also
acts 22:9 speak that they “not
heard the voice”. Am asking the missionary how can that mean
that they didn’t
understand the voice? This phrase can not be uttered in Greek grammar
simply
because it has no meaning. The sound it’s not something that
you have to
understand it or not, but to heard it or not because we “hear
the voice we
don’t understand it. Is
like if I said “I don’t understand
the colour” there is no meaning. Therefore both
acts 22:9 and acts 9:7
carry the same meaning of hearing and not understanding. So the
contradiction
remains.
He continues
quoting:
56. When
Paul saw the light and fell to the ground, did his traveling companions
fall
(Acts 26:14) or did they not fall (Acts 9:7) to the ground?
(Category:
misunderstood the Greek usage or the text is compatible with a little
thought)
There are two
possible explanations
of this point. The word rendered 'stood' also means to
be fixed, to be rooted to the spot. This is something that
can be experienced whether standing up or lying down.
An alternative
explanation is this:
Acts 26:14 states that the initial falling to the ground occurred when
the
light flashed around, before the voice was heard. Acts 9:7 says that
the men
'stood speechless' after the voice had spoken. There would be ample
time for
them to stand up whilst the voice was speaking to Saul, especially as
it had no
significance or meaning to them. Saul, on the other hand, understood
the voice
and was no doubt transfixed with fear as he suddenly realized that for
so long
he had been persecuting and killing those who were following God. He
had in
effect been working against the God whom he thought he was serving.
This
terrible realization evidently kept him on the ground longer than his
companions.
(Haley p.359)
Again let us post the quotes:
And
when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking to me, and saying in the
Hebrew tongue, Saul,
Saul, why persecute you me? it
is hard for you to kick
against the pricks. Acts 26:14
Vs
And the men which
journeyed with him stood
speechless,
hearing a voice, but seeing no man. (Acts 9:7)
The word in Greek
for
stood is “ eistikeisan”
which means:
“a
prolonged form of a primary stao
stah'-o
(of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or
intransitively), used in various
applications (literally or figuratively):--abide, appoint, bring,
continue,
covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand
(by, forth,
still, up). Compare tiqhmi - tithemi”
Source: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/index2.htm
The verse acts 9:7 obvious use the
meaning “to stand” in the Greek language, this is
actually the reason why the
source that use Gale does not mention the Greek word and use the
English word
in order to avoid the confusion. So there is a clear contradiction.
Then, Gale posts:
57.
Did the voice tell Paul what he was to do on the spot (Acts 26:16-18),
or was
he commanded to go to Damascus to be told
what to do (Acts 9:7; 22:10)?
(Category:
misunderstood the historical context)
Paul was
told his duties in Damascus
as can be seen from Acts 9 and 22. However in Acts 26 the context is
different.
In this chapter Paul doesn't worry about the chronological or
geographical
order of events because he is talking to people who have already heard
his
story.
In Acts
9:1-31 Luke, the author of Acts, narrates the conversion of Saul.
In Acts
22:1-21 Luke narrates Paul speaking to Jews, who knew who Paul was and
had
actually caused him to be arrested and kept in the Roman Army barracks
in Jerusalem. He speaks to
the Jews from the steps of the
barracks and starts off by giving his credentials as a Jew, before
launching
into a detailed account of his meeting with the Lord Jesus Christ and
his
conversion.
In Acts
26:2-23 Luke, however, narrates the speech given by Paul, (who was
imprisoned
for at least two years after his arrest in Jerusalem and his speech
in Acts 22,). This was given to
the Roman Governor Festus and King Herod Agrippa, both of whom were
already
familiar with the case. (Read the preceding Chapters). Therefore they
did not
require a full blown explanation of Paul's case, but a summary. Which is exactly what Paul gives them.
This is further
highlighted by Paul reminding them of his Jewish credentials in one
part of a
sentence, "I lived as a Pharisee," as opposed to two sentences in
Acts 22:3. Paul also later in the Chapter is aware that King Agrippa is
aware
of the things that have happened in verses 25-27. (Source)
Again let us post the quotes to see
for our own:
16. But rise, and
stand on your feet: for I have appeared to you for this
purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of these things
which you
have seen, and of those things in the
which I will
appear to you;
17. Delivering you from the
people, and from the Gentiles, to whom now I
send you,
18. To open their eyes, and to turn
them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that
they may
receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are
sanctified by
faith that is in me. Acts 26:16-18
Vs
And he trembling and astonished
said, Lord, what will you have me to do? And
the Lord said to him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told
you
what you must do. Acts 9:6
Is it so difficult to read and
comprehend that Paul in Acts 26:16-18 said instantly what to do and
that in
Acts 9:6 was commanded to go to Damascus and from there will know what
to
do? All the “personal” interpretations that the
source of Gale use is pathetic
explanations to hide the contradiction, he is not explain or show the
verses,
is jus give possibilities that no where are supported by the text.
After finishing the contradiction on
the vision of Paul, Gale tries to show that the disciples of Jesus and
Paul
were in complete harmony by saying that muslim1
actually said that Paul fought the disciples and not the bible. Now let
us
quotes how Paul was antagonized the disciples and was in constant
confrontation
with them:
“It is a common misconception amongst
Christians that Paul and the Apostles
of Christ were unanimous in their preaching of a crucified Jesus.
Christians
think that the apostles and Paul were preaching the same doctrine and
everyone
believed in the divine Jesus who came to be crucified for the sins of
the
world. However, if one examines the bible carefully, that person would
observe
that Paul and the disciples were not preaching the same doctrine and
did not
believe in the same Jesus.
The
Apostles in Jerusalem
heard
that Paul has been preaching a different doctrine in Galatia
and Corinthia. Paul was
telling them not to follow the law
anymore and that they don't have to eat kosher meat anymore or to be
circumcised (according to Genesis 17::14, the covenant is broken if
there is no
circumcision) etc. So the Apostles went to Galatia
and Corinthia and
convinced everyone that Paul is wrong, when Paul
heard about this he went straight back to the cities...
Galatians 1:6
6I am astonished that you are so
quickly
deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning
to a different
gospel
It says different
Gospel, so obviously the disciples were teaching them
a different doctrine and it was not just minor issues.
Galatians 2:11-21
Paul
Opposes Peter
11When
Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face,
because he was
clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came
from James, he used
to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to
draw back and
separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who
belonged
to the circumcision group. ( why did people such as the Apostle James
still believe that the
law regarding food should still be applied? If Jesus came to replace
the law,
then why are they still following the law?) 13The
other
Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even
Barnabas was
led astray. (so, Peter,
James and Barnabas are wrong?)
14When
I saw that they were not
acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front
of them
all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew.
How
is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15"We
who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' 16know
that a man is
not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So
we, too,
have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in
Christ
and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will
be
justified. ( why are they arguing over following the law
or not? Why are they
not in agreement of doctrine?)
17"If,
while we seek to be
justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners,
does
that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If
I rebuild
what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. 19For
through the
law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I
have been
crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The
life I
live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and
gave
himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace
of God, for if
righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"[d]
Paul condemns all
Jewish
Christians including Peter and Barnabas. We only have Paul's side of
the story
but Peter's recollection of this story is not given to us in the New
Testament.
Peter truly would
have
known Jesus better than Paul. There is dispute whether 1 Peter is a
letter
written by Peter and almost all scholars, ancient and modern agree that
2 Peter
is not a letter written by Peter.
Acts 4:31
31After
they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they
were all
filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
If Peter was filled
with the Holy Spirit then why is Paul calling Peter
a hypocrite for eating with the Gentiles and then when people came from
James
he got up. James is Jesus' half brother, he lived and stayed with
Jesus. Why
did he still think that people have to eat kosher meat? We don't have
any
account of Peter's story regarding this incident. Barnabas is also
called a
hypocrite in verse 13. Look how in verses 15 thought 17 Paul is arguing
with
them about the law. That means the disciples wanted to follow the law
and
suggested following it. Otherwise Paul wouldn't have mentioned it. How
could he
say those things to Peter and look what Jesus said about Peter.
Matthew 16:18
8And I tell you that you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build my church,
and the gates
of Hades will not overcome it.
Paul said in Romans
that
all food is clean.
Romans 14:20
20Do not
destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it
is
wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
In the Book of Acts
the
Apostles wrote a letter to the gentiles to abstain from certain foods
and that
not all foods were declared clean
Acts 15:29
29You are to abstain from food
sacrificed to
idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual
immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
Galatians 3:1-3
1You foolish Galatians! Who has
bewitched you?
Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I
would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit
by
observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are
you so foolish?
Obviously we have
people that are disagreeing with him. If Jesus taught
that the law is over clearly, then people would not be arguing over
this.
2 Corinthians 11:4-5
4For
if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we
preached,
or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a
different
gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 5But
I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles."
This is all doctrine
and
again he is criticizing the disciples.
2 Corinthians 11:
22-24
What anyone else dares to boast
about?I
am speaking as a fool?I
also dare to boast about. 22Are
they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are
they Abraham's
descendants? So am I. 23Are
they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk
like this.) I am more.
I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged
more
severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24Five
times I
received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one.
Again he is
comparing himself to the disciples. If this man were truly
doing all this work for God, he would not be complaining about his pain
and
torturing and suffering. If he is truly sincere he would not have
mentioned
those things. Prophets and messengers never complained and boasted
about their
sufferings.”
Taken
from:
http://muslim-responses.com/Paul_VS_the_Disciples/Paul_VS_the_Disciples_
After that Gale argues that
according to the Quran all the Diciples
of Jesus was
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") and that includes Paul to be a Muslim. He posts as evidence:
“
And
behold! I INSPIRED THE DISCIPLES to have faith in Me
and Mine Messenger. THEY SAID, 'We have faith, and
do thou bear witness that
we bow to Allah AS Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more")'. S. 5:111
This
means that Paul must have been a Muslim as well! But how could this be
when
Paul and the rest of Christ’s followers all taught things
contrary to the
message of Muhammad? The only explanation is that Muhammad erroneously
assumed
that Jesus’ followers taught the same things he taught, but
little did he
realize that he was DEAD wrong”
This
ignorant of Christianity maybe does not
know that Paul has nothing to do with the Disciples of Jesus. So let us
remind
him that the disciples of Jesus were 12 and then Paul appeared after
the disappearance
of Jesus. So in any case Paul is a disciple of Jesus. The important
thing is
not what the disciples taught but what their master taught and their
Master
Jesus taught exactly what Prophet Muhammad taught. Also the teaching of
Paul
has nothing to do with the teaching of the disciples, check again the
article
above:
http://muslim-responses.com/Paul_VS_the_Disciples/Paul_VS_the_Disciples_
Gale
said:
“Mr. Eldin
fails to inform us how Paul insulted the religion of
Jesus when the earliest evidence that we have shows that
Paul’s teachings
perfectly agreed with the instructions of his risen Lord and Master.
Note these
examples which demonstrate that Paul taught the same things that Jesus
did:”
Let
us analyze in detail how Paul contradicted
Jesus, an answer of the article that he posts “Did
Jesus and Paul teach the same thing?” The
following article is taken by
http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/paul_was_a_deceiver.htm
This article will address the
following:
·
Paul
was Satan in the Flesh
·
Paul
was never recognized as an apostle by
the Disciples OR Jesus
·
Paul
was never trained by the disciples, the
men who walked, talked, and broke bread with our Saviour. He
received his knowledge from
"revelations."
·
Paul's
account of his Damascus Road
Experience changed every time he told it, thus the disciples knew he
was lying.
·
Paul
declared he was teaching another Gospel
of which he himself was the Father
·
Paul
declared he himself was the son
of God
·
Paul
issued his own commandments and laws
for people to adhere to
·
Paul
taught the exact Opposite of what Jesus
and His real disciples did.
·
Paul
worked to destroy and undo everything
Jesus and His disciples did and were doing.
·
Paul
was never repentant for being the
greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He
boasted about it! Over and Over!
·
Paul
said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said
it was a blessing. Who's
lying?
·
Paul
condemned
Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself
for
having long hair in
1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in
Numbers
6:5
and Judges
13:5.
·
Jesus
Said:
Keep the Sabbath (Mark
2:27),
circumcise male children (Luke
2:21),
Paul
Said:
Circumcision is not necessary (Romans
2:26)
that is going against what the Christ said in Luke
2:21.
·
In
1
Corinthians 15:1
Paul says that he
was not giving them anything but what “he
preached.” He explained this even
further in the second book (or letter) to the Corinthians (2
Corinthians 11:17).
It reads - “That which I speak, I speak it not
after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of
boasting.” He's
telling you plain and simple he was speaking of himself and not from or
of the
Lord!"
·
Paul
cursed Jesus
and His disciples
·
Paul
claimed he
himself was the son of God
·
Paul
Supported and
demanded Adherence to Iniquity (Discrimination), Jesus said to not let
it be
found among us! Who's
lying?
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The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!
He was Satan In The Flesh! An Antichrist!
Matthew
24:4-5
states you will be deceived by people that come using Jesus’
name. Consider the parable of the sower.
Jesus was warning us then that as soon as His Gospel was preached, the
enemy (Paul) would be there to steal the truth!
***The real (untranslated) name of Jesus is Y'hoshua (pronounced like the
name Joshua but with a Y, YoHoshua,
some pronounce his name as Yeshua). All refer to the Son of God
who came as the promised Messiah who died on the cross for our sins and
rose again.
Now
before you throw a tantrum and wonder why I haven't been struck by
lightening straight from the throne room of God, I can prove to you
that Paul was a Fraud using his own words. Of course, if you're a
female, and you're in the ministry, you already know he was, you probably just didn't
realize it! For to be a female and in the ministry of the Lord, you had
to turn your back on Paul to follow Jesus. Congrats! You figured it
out! You refused to buy into the lie pie Satan tried to sell you as
Paul!
I'm going to
make some startling points to wake your mind up into the truth, so hear
me out, then I'll go through and explain each one and give you all the
proof you need to see for yourself that what I'm saying is indeed the
truth.
·
Paul
was Satan in the Flesh
·
Paul
was never recognized as an apostle by the Disciples OR Jesus
·
Paul
was never trained by the disciples, the men who walked, talked, and
broke bread with our Saviour. He
received his knowledge from "revelations."
·
Paul's
account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it,
thus the disciples knew he was lying.
·
Paul
declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the
Father
·
Paul
declared he himself was the son of God
·
Paul
issued his own commandments and laws for people to adhere to
·
Paul
taught the exact Opposite of what Jesus and His real disciples did.
·
Paul
worked to destroy and undo everything Jesus and His disciples did and
were doing.
·
Paul
was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at
that time! He
boasted about it! Over and Over!
·
Paul
said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said it was a blessing. Who's
lying?
·
Paul
condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned
Jesus Himself for having long hair in
1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in Numbers
6:5
and Judges
13:5.
·
Jesus
Said:
Keep the Sabbath (Mark
2:27),
circumcise male children (Luke
2:21),
Paul
Said:
Circumcision is not necessary (Romans
2:26)
that is going against what the Christ said in Luke
2:21.
·
In
1
Corinthians 15:1
Paul says that he was not giving them anything but what “he
preached.” He explained this even further in the second book
(or letter) to the Corinthians (2
Corinthians 11:17).
It reads - “That which I speak, I speak it not after the
Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of
boasting.” He's telling you plain and simple he was speaking
of himself and not from or of the Lord!"
·
Paul
cursed Jesus and His disciples
·
Paul
claimed he himself was the son of God
·
Paul
Supported and demanded Adherence to Iniquity (Discrimination), Jesus
said to not let it be found among us! Who's
lying?
Jesus: When Yahshua confronts the Adversary,
he defeats him by saying, "You shall live by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of YHWH, and Him alone will you serve."
Paul: When
Paul is mobbed by people who wish to stone him for preaching against
the Law of YHWH, he relies on the worldly authorities as a Roman
entitled to the protection of the government rulers who save him (Dt. 8:3, Mt.4:4, Acts 22:26,
23:27
Jesus: "DO
NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER; for ONE IS YOUR FATHER,
HE who is in heaven"
(Matthew 23:9)
The devil 'PAUL' BLASPEMOUSLY BOASTED
"For I BECAME YOUR FATHER"
(1 Corinthians 4:15)
"
JESUS
came to Galilee
PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM "
(Mark 1:14,
Matt.4:23).
JESUS said " THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM will be PREACHED, IN MY NAME in
all the world
(Matt.24:14).
'PAUL' CAME preaching, by his own admission, ANOTHER GOSPEL
PROMOTING LAWLESSNESS and LICENTIOUSNESS
many
excerpts taken from disciplesofchrist.com
"I ('PAUL') testify to the gospel of the grace
of god...ANOTHER GOSPEL...ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL "
(Acts 20:24. 2 Corinthians
11:4. 1 Corinthians 10:23).
"PERVERTING
THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO LAWLESSNESS EVEN DENYING THE ONLY LORD GOD
(THE FATHER) AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST (THE FATHER'S SON)"
(Jude 4. 1
John 2:22)
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Also Visit:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God
was with
authority (same Greek word for
satan's rule [2]
[3])."
Is Jesus the GOD-Man? |

Dr. Edward Dalcour |
VS |

Osama Abdallah |
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Also visit:
Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating
things in the Noble Quran?
And is he better than Prophet
Muhammad for being a creator? And
is there a contradiction in the
Noble Quran regarding idol gods not
being able to create and Jesus
Christ?
See the Books that Allah Almighty
gave to certain powerful Beings to
enable them to possess certain
Powers and to do certain Miracles,
including limited Creations. Yahweh is Baal to the Jews in Isaiah 54:5 and Hosea 2:16. Exposing the Christians' pagan-god Baal lie.
Other important links: [1]
[2]
[3]
Also:
Jesus
had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our
Creator?
Jesus said he had no Divine Will.
Jesus had to
seek permission
from GOD before performing any
Miracle.
Is the Bible the True
Word of GOD Almighty? |

Louis
Lionheart |
VS |

Osama Abdallah |
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What parts of the Bible and Hadiths
do Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") believe are closest to
the Truth, and Why? [1]
[2]
Note to Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more"):
As Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more"), we must be very careful when we comment on the
previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be
Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to. I
know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their
own Scriptures with their
"End of
Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their
bigotry, hate
and lies, - but still dear brothers
and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous
Scriptures, because as Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") we do believe that they
do contain remnants of
Divine Revelations in them. May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more"), for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into.
Ameen.
The Gospel Christ:
So, what was the Gospel of
Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?
Even among Christians, this remains a mystery. But the
Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the
current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings
of Jesus Christ. The following points are important to always keep in
mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure
and accurate. There are always forgeries and alterations. This is
the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of
Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.
For ample proofs, watch the
debate-video above.
Prophet
Muhammad thoroughly prophesied in the Bible & Old
Scriptures.
See also:
Islam's end of times STUNNING Prophecies section.
Zionist
Israel will rule the earth
with Mighty Evil!
(Islamic Prophecy)
The Glorious
Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine
will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power.
They will reach
"Mighty Heights"
علوا كبيرا of evil
power and might on earth. See
Noble Verses 17:4-8:
Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be
upon him, made a
stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ
who will rule the infidels and the world:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
"Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people,
glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then
mentioned the Dajjal
(anti-Christ)
saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and
there was no prophet but warned his nation against him.
No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell
you about him something of
which
no prophet told his nation before me. You should know
that
he is one-eyed,
and Allah is
not one-eyed."
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number
553)"
Prophet
Muhammad had
many visions about the dajjal,
and gave many signs about him. Some of
the things the Prophet said about the dajjal
were literal, and some were
vision-metaphors. The most prominent
one is that he will be one-eyed. This
is both literal and metaphoric. It is
literal today because the
zionist anti-Christ system is
indeed represented by the
ONE-EYE symbol
as seen in the following images. The
metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being
ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah
Almighty. There is
"none like unto Him"
(Quran, 112:4). In other words
also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED
SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity.
And that false deity is not Allah Almighty. For ample more
details and proofs, please visit
link
below.
Was the
Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold
before Islam in the Bible's
Zechariah 11:17?
I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses
that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was
never prophesied in the Bible to be
ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in
the Bible to any being.
For ample
Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs,
please visit:
Many
references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our
Islamic Texts. This is one of the most popular
Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be
upon him. And indeed, we are seeing it come to
pass before our very eyes. Please also visit:
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The Gospel Christ:
So, what was the Gospel of
Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ?
Even among Christians, this remains a mystery. But the
Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the
current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings
of Jesus Christ. The following points are important to always keep in
mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure
and accurate. There are always forgeries and alterations. This is
the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of
Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible.
For
ample proofs, watch the
debate-video above.
See Also:
The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22
Jesus is Yahweh the Son? See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT,
using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?
666
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Anti-Christ
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Dividing Israel
Also visit:
).
And Jesus could not determine who
gets to sit on
his right and on his left
in Heaven. Only GOD alone
decides this, Jesus said. He also said:
John 5:31 "If I (Jesus) bear withness of myself, then I would be a liar!" Matthew 9:3-4 : Jesus said: Thinking I am GOD is an evil thought!
Contradictions in Jesus'
miracle-less miracles.
Mustard seed of faith
and Great Faith both
still failed: [1].
Except GOD Alone!
Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν.
Jesus forbade
anyone from calling him
ἀγαθόν. He said it is
only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.
Is the metaphoric Son of GOD
title supported in the Glorious Quran?
Yes. Here are
several Noble Verses that do support it. Was even
used for both followers of
satan and GOD.
Doubting Thomas
couldn't raise
Jesus??
No way!!
He raised many
before
(Matthew
10:7-8):
Thomas raised
many people from the dead
(Matthew
10:7-8).
Yet, he and the disciples
could not raise Jesus back to life
after the crucifixion? Not only that,
but they all fled, and Thomas became the
"doubting Thomas"
because he did not believe that the man who
returned was Jesus. But did you not raise people from
the dead already, Thomas? What happened there?
You could've raised Jesus himself back to life with your own
hands! Yet, it was impossible for you to believe that
it was Jesus who returned? Why?
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm
These alleged miracles are very loud!
If you raise people from the dead, then the entire land of
Palestine would've heard about it. Yet, nothing
recorded historically about them. So do we have here loud
miracles or loud lies?
Also,
1 John 2:22
church-written lie is
discussed further down in details in this table.
Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that
1 John contains
forgeries
by church fathers.
Doubting Thomas supposedly said (in Greek???)
"My Lord
and my God"
to Jesus. The church thoroughly admits that NT is badly altered, and earliest copies of NT don't date before year 200. So not only the Aramaic original language of Jesus was never documented, hence his original sayings are permanently lost, but the Greek writings (a language Jesus never spoke) had been badly corrupted. Trinity and all its faulty analysis are based on writings that are totally off (different language and phrases spoken altogether) and utter nonsense. Yet, all believers were called "God", and
Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:
King
Melchizedek [1]:
For ample more
details, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
Also, the
Family of Allah
أهل الله
in Islam [1],
and the
Majestic "We" [1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non
of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
Adam is greater than Jesus:
Jesus forbade people from
calling him "son of David" and "son of Abraham" (Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") bless Abraham everyday. Shedding light on Genesis 12:1-3 "I will bless those who bless you..."). He
said he is greater than them, and no one should call him son
of any of these two servants of GOD Almighty. Yet,
Jesus walked around and called himself son of Adam countless
times:
Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT
says no.
Oxymoron Trinity [1]:From www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#permission: Trinitarians: Jesus is our Creator. Jesus: Why are you thinking such evil things?
Matthew 9:3-4 (CEV) 3 Some teachers of the Law of Moses said to themselves, “Jesus must think he is God!” 4 But Jesus knew what was in their minds, and he said, “Why are you thinking such evil things? 
Mark 10:18 ""Why do you call me good ἀγαθόν (agathon)?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." Good = agathon ἀγαθόν, agathos ἀγαθὸς
So from people who opposed and followed Jesus, some from both sides thought he was claiming to be GOD Almighty. Jesus absolutely rejected this blasphemy and misunderstanding!
Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. Trinity is a lie from Hell. Also visit: How many members are there in the Trinity? There are 39+ Holy Figures.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles?
Jesus is the
resurrection
(John 11:25), but yet
does not know
when
the Hour of the resurrection will
come (Matthew
24:36)
[1],
and he had to cry, weep and
beg GOD
to resurrect Lazarus back to
life. And this proves he is our Creator?
And how is he exactly The Resurrection?
Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even
resurrect or
create a fly
on their own? This is one of
the Glorious Quran's
challenges
to the polytheists from mankind who
insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and
water, and idols. All are helpless.
All are worthless when compared to Allah
Almighty.
In the OT, Elisha and
many others also raised the dead:
2 Kings 4
32 Elisha arrived at the
woman’s house and went straight to his room,
where he saw the boy’s body on his bed. 33
He walked in, shut the door, and
prayed to the Lord.
34 Then he got on the bed and
stretched out over the
dead
body,
with his mouth on the boy’s mouth, his eyes on
his eyes, and his hand on his hands. As he lay
there, the boy’s body became warm. 35 Elisha
got up and walked back and forth in the room,
then he went back and leaned over the boy’s
body. The boy sneezed seven times and
opened his eyes. 36 Elisha called out
to Gehazi, “Have the boy’s mother come here.”
Gehazi did, and when she was at the door, Elisha
said, “You can take your son.” 37 She came in
and bowed down at Elisha’s feet. Then she picked
up her son and left.
Is
Elisha
and
others
like him now our Creator?

John 5:30 "I
cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., I am totally powerless. In other verses, Jesus could not even perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!).
And Jesus could not determine ( Mark 10:40) who gets to sit
on his
right and on his left in
Heaven. Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus
said. Visit also:
Bible's problematic hyperboles.
Jesus has, for example, caused Christians to
eat pork, and they're now even the world's
biggest pork consumers. But a closer
look at the text reveals that he never
allowed it and could never even DARE to
violate GOD Almighty by allowing it.
The last two chapters of the book of
Isaiah make an End of Time Prophecy
about the evil and immoral ones who will
be pork (pig's meat) eaters.
The Bible has
ample problems with its hyperbole and
excessive confusing metaphoric language,
to a point where we don't know what
Jesus actually means, and it has made
lawful things sinful and sinful things
lawful. Interestingly, people in
the NT called Jesus a fat
drunk,
because they observed him drinking too
much wine (alcohol) and eating too much.
He was a "gluttonous,
and a winebibber" (Matthew
11:19) [1]
[2].
This could've played a major role in the
nonsensical language that he was
uttering left and right. Only
Allah Almighty Knows best.
Ample more
examples are given in the link above.
Did Jesus ever claim to be God? (8 minutes)  John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict JesusDid GOD ever appear in a human form to anyone? Click on image to play video:

 Video: 1, 2. Sam Shamoun, the trinitarian barfoon, forgot that "GOD IS ONE" is mentioned countless times in his scriptures. Also, Jesus was also called "SLAVE OF GOD" in NT and OT. There is no Divine Son that is part of Allah Almighty. That's one of the several things Islam came to correct:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt. Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles? . Sam Shamoun declares that the bibles and trinity are man-made and are not from the living Word of GOD Almighty. Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist. Click to play video clip.
Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt. Noble Verses 5:44-49 are thoroughly unpacked in this article. According to the Glorious Quran, there is nothing called new testament, or bible or even old testament. There is the Thikr of Moses, which contains the Wasaya (Commandments, which are the 600+ Law Commandments), which the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad and Islam "the prophets did judge by it" (5:44). Even in the bibles we find in Deuteronomy 4:2 and other places say that the Commandments (600+) must not be mixed with any other text. Also, the Injeel or Injil is not the NT. It is the direct commands of Prophet Eesa (not Jesus), in which he mostly gave beautiful Commandments of Mercy, Compassion, Love, Fasting, Praying and Worshiping GOD Almighty Alone and associating no partners with Him, and also gave glad tidings about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and the new Covenant of Allah Almighty. The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them and upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of Allah Almighty (Not even Jesus was given the Book according to the Glorious Quran). We also read in Noble Verses 5:46-49: 
Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries: 
How big was the first New Testament?The early believers were also expecting an Arabian Prophet. The OT thoroughly talks about him and his new Covenant coming from Kedar in Arabia, and the NT talks about him coming after the Messiah: 
Why wasn't Prophet Muhammad preached by the early Christians in Jerusalem, Arabia, Africa and Europe? Early cities like Antioch, Corinth, Rome and others were never taught the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Doesn't this prove that Islam is false? But he was preached!
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") honor the Virgin Birth:
We Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") believe in the virgin birth of Isa
Al-Maseeh,
from our mother Mariam, peace be upon them both.
We also believe Isa performed many Miracles.
In fact, it was the Christians who doubted the
virgin birth. Islam came to cement it.
But Isa (eesa) was nonetheless a creation of GOD
Almighty, and a slave of GOD. Even the Old
Testament calls Jesus "Slave of GOD":
Islam cemented the
virgin birth of Jesus! Christians
doubted it. Christian scholars admit
this.
Isa (Jesus),
the Islamic Messiah and creation of Allah
Almighty, is NOT our Creator:
Jesus, in the Bible, said he does
not know when
the Hour will come, only GOD alone
Knows, Jesus said.
Jesus said if he bears witness of
himself he
would be a liar.
Jesus prostrated on his face and prayed
and begged GOD
all night long to save him from
crucifixion.
Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT
says no.
Jesus was called slave
of GOD in
Old Testament.
If Jesus was GOD questions.
None of Jesus' Miracles were unique in
the Bible.
Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses
thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.
The Fly's Digestive Miracle - Mentioned
in the Holy Quran and Confirmed by
Science!
Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT
says no.
The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles?
Sun Chips
Blasphemies:
Jesus said
Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son.
But the Old Testament thoroughly calls
Jesus the
slave of GOD
[1]
and who also fears GOD.
Yes indeed, the Islamic
Isa (eesa) is the Messiah.
This is his special sonship. He is
also the Lord of his Mansion, which has
twelve thrones or fruits
[2].
He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul
(Prophet) in this regard. He is
also the
heir of GOD
on earth only. That's the limit of
his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun
chips! There is nothing GODly
about him. He is not our Creator.
With all of his glory and might, he
still remains a mere
abd (slave) of GOD
[1]
as all sons of GOD were also called
slaves of GOD.
See also:
Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.
They are
"....no more than servants raised to
honor.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26)".
Oxymoron Trinity.
Jesus is the
heir of GOD
on earth only.
Again,
could
"Jesus" and the disciples honestly even
resurrect or
create a fly
on their own? This is one of
the Glorious Quran's
challenges
to the polytheists from mankind who
insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust
and water, and idols. All are
helpless. All are worthless when
compared to Allah Almighty.
Sun Chips
oxymoron:
The polytheist trinitarian pagans'
oxymoron here is that they're making a
sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's
sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no
more than servants raised to honour")
with their blasphemies of inflating him
with hot air and making him the Creator
of the Universe.
What is
Islam?
What is Islam?
How and Why do I convert to Islam?
How do I convert a non-Muslim to Islam?
Other:
www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm (according
to Jesus)
www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm (Matthew
24:25-27: Jesus will return as an
Arab from Syria)

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses
thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.
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Note: The (*)
links below are html backups of the website's blog topic
threads, in case the blog and its database are down.
From:
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:
1 John 2:22-23
[1]
church-written lie are discussed further down in details in
this table. Ironically, the Bible's own theologians
admit that
1 John contains
forgeries
by church fathers.
God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes
them as his begotten son. Why does God use these
terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and
Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these
tittles in the Quran? Why would God give
room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans
did?
What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?
Son of
GOD definition: From www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#permission: Trinitarians: Jesus is our Creator. Jesus: Why are you thinking such evil things?
Matthew 9:3-4 (CEV) 3 Some teachers of the Law of Moses said to themselves, "Jesus must think he is God!" 4 But Jesus knew what was in their minds, and he said, “Why are you thinking such evil things? 
Mark 10:18 ""Why do you call me good ἀγαθόν (agathon)?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." Good = agathon ἀγαθόν, agathos ἀγαθὸς
So from people who opposed and followed Jesus, some from both sides thought he was claiming to be GOD Almighty. Jesus absolutely rejected this blasphemy and misunderstanding!
Jesus was also called
slave of GOD in the OT many times.
Trinity is a lie from Hell. Also visit: How many members are there in the Trinity? There are 39+ Holy Figures.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles?
We read in
the Bible that Prophets are servants and
Jesus is the Son
(Matthew 21:33-46).
Jesus is more than a Rasul
(Prophet). Jesus was
also called Abd (slave) of GOD
throughout the Old Testament, as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of
GOD.
Jesus' rule is only limited to
his Mansion.
Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by
twelve Thrones
(also called them 12 Fruits). Jesus being
King of kings
means that he is the King of his Mansion's
twelve thrones.
King of
kings
for Jesus does not refer
to the corrupt earthly kings
and thieves. They were offered to Jesus
before during his
temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all. Jesus
is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion.
Other
people
in the OT were called King of kings also. So the
title is not even unique to Jesus. Allah is the GOD of the Bibles: [ 1] Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1,*] [2] [3]. The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. See the following links:  (Click to play videos)
Daniel 3:26 in Aramaic says "Servants of Allah (GOD Most High GOD)". Sam Shamoun showed where portions of his OT is mixed between Hebrew and Aramaic writings. He also unintentionally proved that the Hebrew "ben" (son) is not the same as the Aramaic "bar" (wrongly gets translated as "son"). The correct and accurate translation is for "bar" is "the chosen pious one". Again, Allah Almighty has NO DIVINE SON. He considers the pious chosen ones as close BARS. The Aramaic and Arabic are the same in this one. See the ample verses and analysis in the video. Please also visit: The definition of "Son of God" in Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew Yahweh is Baal to the Jews in Isaiah 54:5 and Hosea 2:16. Exposing the Christians' pagan-god Baal lie.
In the Bible,
"the
Son" refers to the
Messiah, - the
Ultimate Messenger to the Jews. Son in
their time meant Servant of GOD. Allah
Almighty also explained it precisely like this
in the Glorious Quran:
"....servants raised to honour.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26)".
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
This is what we will be called in
Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize
"Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but
Says that they are no more than pious "....servants
raised to honour.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26)".
Nothing Divine about them except that they exist
with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.
But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all
Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah
Almighty Alone and none else. You can
visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") bless Abraham everyday. Shedding light on Genesis 12:1-3 "I will bless those who bless you..."
Is the metaphoric Son of GOD
title supported in the Glorious Quran?
Yes. Here are
several Noble Verses that do support it. Was even
used for both followers of
satan and GOD.
Trinity Crucified!
100s of verses prove trinity is false.
Jesus
healed others only after getting
permissions from GOD Almighty. His
wishes were sometimes
denied.
[1] [2]
Except GOD Alone!
Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν.
Jesus forbade anyone
from calling him ἀγαθόν.
He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.
And other great figures in the Old Testament
were also called:
1-
GOD (El) of
other people.
2- Son of GOD.
3- Begotten Son of GOD.
4- GOD's First Born.
5- GOD's Heir and Heirs (for believers).
6- GODly name with Yahweh and El attached to the name.
7- King of Kings (called by Yahweh Himself in the OT).
8- All believers are GODs (Elohim) and Sons of GOD (Beni Elohim).
Is Jesus
"God's Son" or "God's Servant (SLAVE)?"
[1]
King James
Version Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and
of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in
thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up
his Son Jesus,
sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
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New King
James Version Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of
the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in
your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up
His Servant Jesus,
sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.
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"Servant" here is slave. Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) in the OT [2],
the
same word used for the Jews' slaves, and all slaves in general,
throughout
the Bible [2].
Jesus, the abd of GOD, is also the slave of GOD in the NT.
In Arabic also it's the same. My name
Osama Abdallah,
which means
Osama slave of Allah (GOD). Slave is a subject of GOD. A
servant is
independent. A servant provides services. He/she can quit serving
without consequences and can even kick you out of their territory.
But
a
slave (ABD) is totally OWNED.
I elaborated on
this point in details at:
www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") bless Abraham everyday. Shedding light on Genesis 12:1-3 "I will bless those who bless you..."
The Servants are the
Prophets of Israel. But Jesus is "the Son" because he is the
Messiah, the highest Jew and highest Jewish Prophet.
Jesus' rule is
only limited to
his Mansion. Jesus also said that
this Mansion is ruled by
twelve Thrones (also called them 12
Fruits).
Prophets are Servants,
Jesus is the Son
(Matthew 21:33-46).
Jesus is only
the Lord of the Jews' Mansion.
Is the metaphoric Son of GOD
title supported in the Glorious Quran?
Yes. Here are
several Noble Verses that do support it. Was even
used for both followers of
satan and GOD.
Jesus was
called ABD (SLAVE)
of GOD:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
John 1:1:
John 1:1 answered from the
Glorious Quran.
Includes a
Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God
was with authority
(same Greek word for
satan's rule
[ [1]
[2]
[3])."
The
Word encompasses Jesus:
From
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2884.msg13839.html#msg13839:
From brother Shaad:
The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in
Revelation.....
Revelation 20:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were
beheaded for the ;witness
of Jesus,
and for
the word of God...
Revelation 1:2
2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the
word of God and
the testimony
of Jesus Christ
Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad. I took
the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi. Indeed,
the Word of GOD Almighty
ENCOMPASSES Jesuss,
because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares.
Trinity is false. I have added your addition
to:
www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm
take care,
Osama Abdallah |
Messiah
definition:
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm
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The Romans had to
fake his crucifixion due to
Passover issues:

Click to play
video [1].
Matthew 12:40: "shall
be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of
the whale." Jonah was alive: But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal. He was alive on the shore, alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale. Alive, alive, alive!
This Prophecy is a lie!
Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
left. He was
never
inside
any coffin
nor ever got buried. Also, because 100s
of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the
Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down. The soldiers
were
even denied food due to lack of time.
Jesus never got
crucified: [1]
[2]
[3]
[4].
The OT and NT clearly spell it out. He was
saved. Matthew 27:16-17: There were two Jesuses! Not one. Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran: [004:156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; [004:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [004:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Divine Setup for Conjecture: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit. "... but so it was made to appear to them..." (Quran 4:157) The two double-Jesus men & Pontus Pilate in Matthew 27:16-17: According to the Gospel of Matthew, Pontus Pilate was standing between two double-Jesus men: 1- Jesus Barabbas. 2- Jesus Barabbas. "...The Bibles' Christ was put on the cross for three hours. Any one of us would've survived this silly crucifixion. Your human body, when faced with death, can become 10+ times stronger, more resilient, more resistant and more stubborn than normal. This is what would enable you, for example, to lift an entire truck with your bare hands if your precious child was under it. Similarly, if you were put on the cross for three silly hours, your body would've survived it. A soldier was placed on the cross for 63 hours and still lived to tell the world about it." (Source)
Again, a Divine Setup for Conjecture.
Was Jesus Christ Crucified?
 At hour 1:00:00 - 1:25:00, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed this debate and destroyed Christianity! This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from the Bible's New Testament that Jesus Christ was never crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead. This 3-hour debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.
 Psalm 91 promises Jesus will never get hurt or die. Satan in the NT challenged Jesus on Psalm 91. Yashua (salvation) is the last word in Psalm 91, and it also happens to be one of Jesus' names in the New Testament. Here is my shortened version video. Dr. Naik also provided many more verses than the following ones. But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video. See also this text-debate [2] between me and a Christian brother on my blog. You're welcomed to join in. Christianity's Salvation Lie: Because Christianity's scriptures didn't get documented for 200+ years after Jesus, the Church and Christians had developed and invented the crucifixion lie and its requirement to save a person from Hell (by him believing in it), which had been thoroughly proven from both the Bible and the Glorious Quran, to be a fabricated lie [1]. Salvation verses like John 3:16 and others are all forgeries that were invented by liars 100s of years after the real Eesa , the real Messiah. Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus. Notice here Jesus' statements: Matthew 9 12 Jesus heard them and answered, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor, but sick people do. 13 Go and learn what the Scriptures mean when they say, ‘Instead of offering sacrifices to me, I want you to be merciful to others.’ I didn’t come to invite good people to be my followers. I came to invite sinners.” Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Being Merciful to others makes you a good person. And Jesus didn't come for you if you are. Jesus didn't come to invite merciful and good people. They're already saved. They need no invitation. The Christian lie about one must accept that Jesus died on the cross for his/her sins is mandatory for their salvation, and that otherwise they'd be doomed to Hell is thoroughly destroyed in Matthew 9:12-13. Matthew 9:12-13 I have not come for you if you're a merciful Jew. Three Isaiah 53 translation lies: Three lies in translations of Isaiah 53, as further elaborated below in this table, that need to be clarified: 1- He was assigned a grave. This doesn't mean he was buried in it, because Jesus was never buried in any grave. He laid on the floor inside a tomb (cave-like structure), got healed and got up and left. He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried inside the earth. 2- He was pierced for our sins. No, he was hurt (the word is not pierced or stabbed) because of "our" (Jews only) sins and transgressions. If you drive with your family and get hit by a drunk driver and your baby ends up getting killed, your baby didn't die for his sin. Your baby died BECAUSE of his sin and transgression. Otherwise, you would not have driven on the same road that day if you knew the future.Also visit: John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict Jesus Early Church Fathers: Jesus never died for anyone's sins!
 Sam Shamoun: The early fathers declared Jesus never died for any sin! Shamoun is realizing how full of forged lies & conjecture his historical Christianity is. They declared that Jesus never bore (carried) any sin for anyone on the cross. Jesus never died for anyone's sins! He was placed on the cross BECAUSE of (not for) the Jews' sins, and Allah Almighty SAVED HIM. Read the detailed analysis on Isaiah 53, Psalm 91 and others at: www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm Also see proofs from OT and NT that Jesus transformed himself into lying spirit by GOD's Command to forge Christianity. GOD Almighty in the OT has Commanded it before:
www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 3- In his death. It is talking about his sentencing to death and not actual death. It is also symbolic, because Jesus didn't even stay for 3 hours on the cross (2.a) and was never killed. Plus, Jesus begged GOD (Matthew 26:36-44) all night to save him from crucifixion and all hurt. all hurt. Lies about Psalm 91:13: Some polytheist trinitarian pagans say that Psalm 91:13 proves that Jesus was never crucified: Psalm 91:13 You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and the serpent you will trample under foot. They say that Jesus treading (stomping on) the lion and the snake means that he defeated satan via the cross. Satan is called both lion and snake. So Jesus stomped on him by getting crucified (killed on the cross) and resurrecting from death. They also say the NT books such as Matthew and Luke that quote Psalm 91 for Jesus both claim that Jesus was killed on the cross. Response: But Psalm 91:14-16 refute this: 14 Because he cleaves to me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows my name. 15 When he calls to me, I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him. 16 With long life I will satisfy him, and show him my salvation. 1- Also, Jesus was only placed for 3 hours on the cross (2.a). They had to pull the plug on crucifixion because the Passover was about to begin, where 1/2 million Jewish pilgrims were to shortly start pouring into Jerusalem. I, Osama Abdallah, would have survived Jesus' crucifixion.2- Also, Jesus was never killed. He laid on the floor in the tomb, received medical treatment from the two Marys and other women, and then got up and left.3- The books that say he was killed on the cross were written 200 to 400 years after Jesus. The majority of Christian historians and theologians claim this. 4- Psalm 91:15"...I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him." Clearly declares he will be saved from death. Merciful Palestinian and Good Neighbor Parable:
5- Jesus said below in Luke 10:25-37, Matthew 9:12-13: If you're merciful, a good neighbor like the Palestinian Samaritan in Luke 10:33, and above all, GOD-Fearing (OT says Jesus was a slave of GOD and GOD-Fearing), then you have nothing to fear. "Do this, and you will live" Jesus said. That's it. Jesus even used good Palestinians in his parable. Dying on the cross is a developed Christian lie centuries after Jesus. It's a forgery. ......... Visit section 2.a in the article. Also visit: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt. Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles? . Sam Shamoun declares that the bibles and trinity are man-made and are not from the living Word of GOD Almighty. Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist. Click to play video clip.
Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt. Noble Verses 5:44-49 are thoroughly unpacked in this article. According to the Glorious Quran, there is nothing called new testament, or bible or even old testament. There is the Thikr of Moses, which contains the Wasaya (Commandments, which are the 600+ Law Commandments), which the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad and Islam "the prophets did judge by it" (5:44). Even in the bibles we find in Deuteronomy 4:2 and other places say that the Commandments (600+) must not be mixed with any other text. Also, the Injeel or Injil is not the NT. It is the direct commands of Prophet Eesa (not Jesus), in which he mostly gave beautiful Commandments of Mercy, Compassion, Love, Fasting, Praying and Worshiping GOD Almighty Alone and associating no partners with Him, and also gave glad tidings about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and the new Covenant of Allah Almighty. The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them and upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of Allah Almighty (Not even Jesus was given the Book according to the Glorious Quran). We also read in Noble Verses 5:46-49: 
Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries: 
How big was the first New Testament?The early believers were also expecting an Arabian Prophet. The OT thoroughly talks about him and his new Covenant coming from Kedar in Arabia, and the NT talks about him coming after the Messiah: 
Why wasn't Prophet Muhammad preached by the early Christians in Jerusalem, Arabia, Africa and Europe? Early cities like Antioch, Corinth, Rome and others were never taught the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Doesn't this prove that Islam is false? But he was preached!
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The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them.
Jesus'
Original Name:
Prophet Jesus' original name was
Eesa,
as this is also his Islamic name. The article (Eesa) also gives ample Hebrew references and proofs. Even in
Latin,
it is Iesu, and in
Greek it is Iesus. There is also a
great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and
preached in Arabic. Not only that, but
Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine.
Islam's claims are very strongly supported.
See proofs below. 
Did early
Christians preach Prophet Muhammad in Rome?
Did the early
believers preach Prophet Muhammad in Corinth,
Antioch, Rome and all other places?
Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Jews'
Messiah and final Prophet. In both the
Glorious Quran and the Dead Sea Scrolls,
Ahmed was prophesied to come.
Ahmed in the Quran is Prophet Muhammad's
prophetic name. Also, see below the Dead
Sea Scroll image. The New Testament too
predicts the coming of three:
1.
Elijah.
2. The Messiah.
3. The Prophet.
John
1:19-21
and
John
7:40-44.
Click on
the
images
to
expand:

John the Baptist calls
Jesus a liar! (Matthew 11:1-6).
Roman massacres: So did the
early believers preach the coming of Prophet
Ahmed or Muhammad? The answer is quite
possible, but Muhammad would've been phase 2 for
them and not phase 1. Jesus was the early
believers' immediate
Prophet, not Muhammad. And all of
the details that they had were about Jesus, not
Muhammad. It is also important to know
that the following
seven Roman Emperors
have thoroughly
burned all (burnt all) of the early believers'
writings:
1. Nero
(54-68)
2. Domitian (81-96)
3. Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
4. Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a
point)
5. Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a
point)
6. Trajanus Decius (249-251)
7. Valerian (253-260)
Read all the
details with references
here. Also visit: How big was the first New Testament?
What we have
today from "gospels" and "New Testament" were
written
100 years to 300 years after Jesus'
departure from this earth. So, the current
writings that we have are not original writings.
Also, to appease the Roman Empire's 3-headed
pagan religion and practices, the pagan 3-headed
trinity was invented [1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5].
Many lies had been fabricated after the original
writings were all lost. The Jews and
Christians of Arabia, however, did have writings
that predicted the coming of Prophet Muhammad.
These were some of the original texts that
survived.The early believers were expecting an Arabian Prophet. The OT thoroughly talks about him and his new Covenant coming from Kedar in Arabia, and the NT talks about him coming after the Messiah: 
Why wasn't Prophet Muhammad preached by the early Christians in Jerusalem, Arabia, Africa and Europe? Early cities like Antioch, Corinth, Rome and others were never taught the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Doesn't this prove that Islam is false? But he was preached!
From
Why Jews settled in Arabia section:

Video and text are in the
linked section above.
Jesus also
preached in Arabic:
See the clear
proofs in the following:
Proofs that early Christian believers'
title was
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more")
from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves. Also,
Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly
spoken by the natives there.
Also, ample proofs that
Jesus also spoke and
preached in Arabic, and
there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the
coming of Prophet Muhammad in details.
Arabic is estimated to date back
8000 to 20000 years by non-Muslim
researchers, and had always been the first language in the entire lands
of the Middle East, North and Central Africa.
Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.
Prophet Muhammad foretold,
by the name,
in the previous Scriptures.
We still have texts today and from
the Bible itself and outside the Bible that tell about the coming of
Prophet Muhammad and Islam as the Servant of GOD Almighty and the New
Religion and Covenant of GOD Almighty, respectively.
Important:
-
What is the definition of Messiah in
the Quran?
-
Jesus was created from the Word of
GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit,
according to Islam.
In the Bible,
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more"),
Salamays,
Mushlams, Mushlems,
Mushlimana
are the Believers' original title
[1].
Islam came to restore the original Faith
[1].
Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the
Dead Sea Scrolls:
 Click on image to play video:

(Film
in this article)
Prophet Muhammad in the previous Scriptures.
Prophet Muhammad was thoroughly foretold in the
Bible, and his prophetic Name,
"Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea
Scrolls,
and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious
Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this
very Name, Ahmed [1]
[2]. |
Father and Son
Definitions:
Definition of Key Terms (*)
(a discussion between me and a Christian):
1- What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible? How
is it defined
in Islam? (see
point #5 below) How does the Bible really define it?
2- What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible?
3-
Jesus had to match
Melchizedek
in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.
See this
text-debate (*)
between me and a Christian. Jesus' Miracles and
Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he
needed to be in according to
Melchizedek. He had to be
“in according to Melchizedek”
as the Bible specifically says. See
Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20
[2].
Who is
Melchizedek?
According
to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had
"no father and no mother", and
"no beginning and no end"
(Genesis
14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20)
[2].
The Bible literally says that. Jesus had to be similar
and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God"
doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating
things in the Noble Quran? And
is he better than Prophet Muhammad
for being a creator? And is
there a contradiction in the Noble
Quran regarding idol gods not being
able to create and Jesus Christ?
See the Books that Allah Almighty
gave to certain powerful Beings to
enable them to possess certain
Powers and to do certain Miracles,
including limited Creations.
Also again, see this
text-debate (*)
between me and a Christian.
4- Does the
Bible say that
Yahweh
created Jesus?
Yes it does (*).
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God
was with authority
(same Greek word for
satan's rule (*)
[2]
[3])."
Detailed discussion
about Jesus' Will
(*)
with ample verses.
In Islam, there are three
"Worlds" or Realms:
(a)- GOD Almighty, who is not
seen by anyone or anything, nor is
like unto anyone or anything.
(b)- The World of Command,
which is the invisible world of the
Beings that were made by the Word
and the Spirit.
(c)- The World of Creation,
the flush and blood, dust and water
physical world and Universes
(plural).
Also visit:
Is the Noble Quran a Creator or
Creation?
1 John
2:22-23:
1 John 2:22-23 is another
church-written lie. Again, ironically, the Bible's own
theologians admit that
1 John contains
forgeries
by church fathers.
Christians often quote the following verses to
prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:
1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that
denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that
denieth the Father and the Son.
23 No one who denies the
Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has
the Father also.
Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more") firmly believe in the
Messiah and his virgin birth miracle.
Islam cemented the
virgin birth of Jesus
belief after it was fading away. Christians admit this.
Also, the Glorious Quran claims that sons of GOD title was used
for servants raised to honor:
Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.
They are
"....no more than servants raised to honor.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26)".
"Messiah" is the sonship:
Jesus said
Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son.
Son here means he is the Messiah. The Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the
slave
of GOD
[1]
and who also fears GOD.
Yes
indeed, the Islamic
Isa (eesa) is
the Messiah.
This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his
Mansion, which has
twelve thrones or fruits
[2].
He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard.
He is also
heir of GOD on earth
only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it
is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He
is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he
still remains a mere
abd (slave) of GOD
[1]
as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD.
See also:
1-
Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran.
They are
"....no more than servants raised to honor.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26)".
2-
Oxymoron Trinity .
3-
Jesus is the
heir of GOD
on earth only.
Sun Chips
blasphemies:
The polytheist
trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're
making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's
sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no
more than servants raised to honour")
with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air
and making him the Creator of the Universe.
Could Jesus and the disciples
honestly even resurrect or
create a fly
on their own? This is one of
the Glorious Quran's
challenges
to the polytheists from mankind who
insist on deifying flesh and blood,
dust and water, and idols. All
are helpless. All are
worthless when compared to Allah
Almighty. Did Jesus ever claim to be God? (8 minutes)  John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict JesusDid GOD ever appear in a human form to anyone? Click on image to play video:

 Video: 1, 2. Sam Shamoun, the trinitarian barfoon, forgot that "GOD IS ONE" is mentioned countless times in his scriptures. Also, Jesus was also called "SLAVE OF GOD" in NT and OT. There is no Divine Son that is part of Allah Almighty. That's one of the several things Islam came to correct:
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt. Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles? .
|
5- What
does the Glorious Quran say about the
“Father” and
“Son” titles:
The Quran is against the
exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately
the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
Allah Almighty Said:
"And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring."
Glory to Him! they are (but)
servants raised to honour.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
From
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:
The
Family of Allah
أهل الله
in Islam, and the
Majestic "We":
.......
In regards to your question,
there are two legitimate answers for it:
1- GOD Almighty can and
does refer to Himself as WE and I. So
the plural We can and does refer to Allah
Almighty Alone.
2- In Allah Almighty's
Realm, there are the People of Allah. Even
our Hadiths call them
AHLU ALLAH أهل
الله
(Family of Allah)).
Go to
www.google.com , and search for
إن
لله - تعالى -
أهلين
من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟
قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله
وخاصته
The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
Allah Almighty has
AHLEEN (families)
أهلين
from mankind. They asked: "O
Messenger of Allah, who are they?"
He said: They are the People of the
Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل
الله ,
and they are His Special Ones
خاصته.";
This is what we will be
called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also
does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the
Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no
more than pious "....servants
raised to honour.
(The Noble Quran, 21:26))".
Nothing Divine about them except that they
exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in
Heaven. But as far as Divine Authority
and Power, all Divine Authority and Power
belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none
else. You can visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
(The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
Trinity Crucified!
100s of verses prove trinity is false.
Jesus
healed others only after getting
permissions from GOD Almighty. His
wishes were sometimes
denied.
[1]
[2]
"....servants
raised to honour.
Iblis, who later became satan, used to be
from
AHLU ALLAH
أهل الله
(Family of Allah) when he was a pious
Servant. /span>
But because he and his
followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were
cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF
GOD Almighty:
www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty
uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants
that HE spoke with directly and Commanded
directly. But even in that ca/span>se,
the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone
(the Majestic We), because Allah
Almighty is the One
and Only Decision Maker,
and there is none other besides Him.
I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah |
So people did call each
others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they
are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
Here are some Bible facts
regarding "FATHER" and "SON":
Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):
See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal
Guardian". المولى is derived from the root word
ولي .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah
Almighty.
FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي ,
وليهما and خليلا). We further read the
following in the Bibles:
Isaiah 41:8/font>
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you
descendants of Abraham my friend,
Chronicles 20:7
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land
before your people Israel and give it forever to the
descendants of Abraham your friend?
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham
believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,"
and he was called God's friend.
So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is
equal to being
GOD Almighty's "FRIEND". Now compare
this to the following from the Holy Quran:
[002:257]
Allah is the friend (ولي)
and patron of those who believe. He brings
them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those
who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their
friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths
of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire.
They will stay there forever.
[003:122]
(And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and
almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend
and Protector (وليهما)?
In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
[004:125]
Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole
self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the
true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend
(خليلا).
So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the
Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD
Almighty:
1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.
Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD
hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee.
Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا
to mean to
Choose a Servant in Noble Verses
27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75,
35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:
- Guardian
- Friend
- Protector
- And the One who Chose us.
And we definitely believe that
Isa
(Jesus) is the Messiah.
One last important point: Nowhere in the Bible is
Jesus ever called "from the Seed of
GOD"
or "the Seed of GOD". We
do have "Jesus is from the seed
of David" (Psalm
132:10-11, Romans 1:3).
But never from GOD!
GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
So,
is Islam the anti-Christ
system according to
1john
2:22?
No it isn't. Here are some Quran and Bible facts
regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:
(a)-
Allah Almighty is the
Believers' only Guardian (المولى):
See Noble Verses
8:40, 22:13, 22:78. In Arabic we say
ولي الأمر
, which means "The Legal Guardian".
المولى
is derived from the root word
ولي
.ولي
also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the
following point.
(b)-
FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran
(ولي
,
وليهما
and
خليلا):
We further read the following in the
Bibles:
Isaiah 41:8
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you
descendants of
Abraham my friend,
Chronicles 20:7
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before
your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of
Abraham your friend?
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God,
and it was credited to him as righteousness," and
he
was called God's friend.
So being GOD Almighty's
"SON" in the
Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".
Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
[002:257]
Allah is the friend (ولي)
and patron of those who believe. He brings them out
of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not
believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them
out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be
the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
[003:122] (And
remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell
out), even though
Allah was their Friend and Protector
(وليهما)?
In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
[004:125] Who
can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to
God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith?
For God did take Abraham for a friend
(خليلا).
So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD
Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means
that GOD Almighty:
1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.
Please visit the following link to
further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and
definitions:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203
(backup)
(c)- BEGET = CHOSE:
Regarding the following verse, and many
others like it:
King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath
said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day
have I begotten
thee.
Let us look at Noble Verses
27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from
the Glorious Quran:
[027:059]
Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on
his servants whom
He has chosen
اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?-
God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?
27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده
الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون
[003:033]
God did choose
اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham,
and the family of 'Imran above all people,-
3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال
ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين
[003:042]
Behold! the angels said: "O
Mary! God hath chosen thee
اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above
the women of all nations.
3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله
اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين
[007:144] (God)
said: "O
Moses! I have chosen thee
اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I
(have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then
the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give
thanks."
7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما
اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين
[022:075]
God chooses
يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for
God is He Who hears and sees (all things).
22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن
الناس ان الله سميع بصير
[035:032]
Then We have given the Book for
inheritance to such of Our Servants as
We have chosen
اصطفينا: but there are among them some who
wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who
are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest
Grace.
35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا
من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله
ذلك هو الفضل الكبير
[038:047]
They were, in Our sight, truly, of
the company
of the
Elect
المصطفين and the Good.
38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار
[039:004]
Had God wished to take to Himself
an (actual) son,
He could have chosen
لاصطفى
whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to
Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the
Irresistible.
39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى
مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار
Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about
when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty
Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't
know. Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
Trinity Crucified!
100s of verses prove trinity is false.
Jesus healed others only after getting
permissions from GOD Almighty. His
wishes were sometimes
denied.
[1]
[2]
Jesus spelled it out clearly
that he knew NOT. And as to calling GOD
Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an
ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:
1- Rab - Lord, Father (you are
the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).
2- Wali - Guardian.
In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD
Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and
Wali. But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual
Father. This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as
idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery. No Jew is
actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal
marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty! Yet, the Jews use
metaphors like these. Islam came to straighten all of this out
and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no
daughter. Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell
if we were His perfect sons and daughters?? No imperfect being
could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or
daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):
[005:018]
(Both) the Jews and the Christians
say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why
then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are
but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth,
and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion
of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him
is the final goal (of all)"
Again, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203
(backup).
The Romans
had to
fake his crucifixion
due to Passover issues:

Click to play
video [1].
Matthew 12:40: "shall
be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of
the whale." Jonah was alive: But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal. He was alive on the shore, alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale. Alive, alive, alive!
This Prophecy is a lie!
Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
left. He was
never
inside
any coffin
nor ever got buried. Also, because 100s
of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the
Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down. The soldiers
were
even denied food due to lack of time.
Jesus never got
crucified: [1]
[2]
[3]
[4].
The OT and NT clearly spell it out. He was
saved. Matthew 27:16-17: There were two Jesuses! Not one. Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran: [004:156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; [004:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [004:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Divine Setup for Conjecture: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit. "... but so it was made to appear to them..." (Quran 4:157) The two double-Jesus men & Pontus Pilate in Matthew 27:16-17: According to the Gospel of Matthew, Pontus Pilate was standing between two double-Jesus men: 1- Jesus Barabbas. 2- Jesus Barabbas. "...The Bibles' Christ was put on the cross for three hours. Any one of us would've survived this silly crucifixion. Your human body, when faced with death, can become 10+ times stronger, more resilient, more resistant and more stubborn than normal. This is what would enable you, for example, to lift an entire truck with your bare hands if your precious child was under it. Similarly, if you were put on the cross for three silly hours, your body would've survived it. A soldier was placed on the cross for 63 hours and still lived to tell the world about it." (Source)
Again, a Divine Setup for Conjecture.
Was Jesus Christ Crucified?
 At hour 1:00:00 - 1:25:00, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed this debate and destroyed Christianity! This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from the Bible's New Testament that Jesus Christ was never crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead. This 3-hour debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.
 Psalm 91 promises Jesus will never get hurt or die. Satan in the NT challenged Jesus on Psalm 91. Yashua (salvation) is the last word in Psalm 91, and it also happens to be one of Jesus' names in the New Testament. Here is my shortened version video. Dr. Naik also provided many more verses than the following ones. But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video. See also this text-debate [2] between me and a Christian brother on my blog. You're welcomed to join in. Christianity's Salvation Lie: Because Christianity's scriptures didn't get documented for 200+ years after Jesus, the Church and Christians had developed and invented the crucifixion lie and its requirement to save a person from Hell (by him believing in it), which had been thoroughly proven from both the Bible and the Glorious Quran, to be a fabricated lie [1]. Salvation verses like John 3:16 and others are all forgeries that were invented by liars 100s of years after the real Eesa , the real Messiah. Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus. Notice here Jesus' statements: Matthew 9 12 Jesus heard them and answered, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor, but sick people do. 13 Go and learn what the Scriptures mean when they say, ‘Instead of offering sacrifices to me, I want you to be merciful to others.’ I didn’t come to invite good people to be my followers. I came to invite sinners.” Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Being Merciful to others makes you a good person. And Jesus didn't come for you if you are. Jesus didn't come to invite merciful and good people. They're already saved. They need no invitation. The Christian lie about one must accept that Jesus died on the cross for his/her sins is mandatory for their salvation, and that otherwise they'd be doomed to Hell is thoroughly destroyed in Matthew 9:12-13. Matthew 9:12-13 I have not come for you if you're a merciful Jew. Three Isaiah 53 translation lies: Three lies in translations of Isaiah 53, as further elaborated below in this table, that need to be clarified: 1- He was assigned a grave. This doesn't mean he was buried in it, because Jesus was never buried in any grave. He laid on the floor inside a tomb (cave-like structure), got healed and got up and left. He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried inside the earth. 2- He was pierced for our sins. No, he was hurt (the word is not pierced or stabbed) because of "our" (Jews only) sins and transgressions. If you drive with your family and get hit by a drunk driver and your baby ends up getting killed, your baby didn't die for his sin. Your baby died BECAUSE of his sin and transgression. Otherwise, you would not have driven on the same road that day if you knew the future.Also visit: John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict Jesus Early Church Fathers: Jesus never died for anyone's sins!
 Sam Shamoun: The early fathers declared Jesus never died for any sin! Shamoun is realizing how full of forged lies & conjecture his historical Christianity is. They declared that Jesus never bore (carried) any sin for anyone on the cross. Jesus never died for anyone's sins! He was placed on the cross BECAUSE of (not for) the Jews' sins, and Allah Almighty SAVED HIM. Read the detailed analysis on Isaiah 53, Psalm 91 and others at: www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm Also see proofs from OT and NT that Jesus transformed himself into lying spirit by GOD's Command to forge Christianity. GOD Almighty in the OT has Commanded it before:
www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 3- In his death. It is talking about his sentencing to death and not actual death. It is also symbolic, because Jesus didn't even stay for 3 hours on the cross (2.a) and was never killed. Plus, Jesus begged GOD (Matthew 26:36-44) all night to save him from crucifixion and all hurt. all hurt. Lies about Psalm 91:13: Some polytheist trinitarian pagans say that Psalm 91:13 proves that Jesus was never crucified: Psalm 91:13 You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and the serpent you will trample under foot. They say that Jesus treading (stomping on) the lion and the snake means that he defeated satan via the cross. Satan is called both lion and snake. So Jesus stomped on him by getting crucified (killed on the cross) and resurrecting from death. They also say the NT books such as Matthew and Luke that quote Psalm 91 for Jesus both claim that Jesus was killed on the cross. Response: But Psalm 91:14-16 refute this: 14 Because he cleaves to me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows my name. 15 When he calls to me, I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him. 16 With long life I will satisfy him, and show him my salvation. 1- Also, Jesus was only placed for 3 hours on the cross (2.a). They had to pull the plug on crucifixion because the Passover was about to begin, where 1/2 million Jewish pilgrims were to shortly start pouring into Jerusalem. I, Osama Abdallah, would have survived Jesus' crucifixion.2- Also, Jesus was never killed. He laid on the floor in the tomb, received medical treatment from the two Marys and other women, and then got up and left.3- The books that say he was killed on the cross were written 200 to 400 years after Jesus. The majority of Christian historians and theologians claim this. 4- Psalm 91:15"...I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him." Clearly declares he will be saved from death. Merciful Palestinian and Good Neighbor Parable:
5- Jesus said below in Luke 10:25-37, Matthew 9:12-13: If you're merciful, a good neighbor like the Palestinian Samaritan in Luke 10:33, and above all, GOD-Fearing (OT says Jesus was a slave of GOD and GOD-Fearing), then you have nothing to fear. "Do this, and you will live" Jesus said. That's it. Jesus even used good Palestinians in his parable. Dying on the cross is a developed Christian lie centuries after Jesus. It's a forgery. ......... Visit section 2.a in the article. Also visit: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt. Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over their mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved. - They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures? Remember: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem: 1 Corinthians 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment." How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94? Insufficient Jesus:
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false: 
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans.
The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.
Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52?
 Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty. 
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
 Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5). Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael. Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team. Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny: 
See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:


See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? They were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Really??? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan. Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles? . Sam Shamoun declares that the bibles and trinity are man-made and are not from the living Word of GOD Almighty. Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist. Click to play video clip.
Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt. Noble Verses 5:44-49 are thoroughly unpacked in this article. According to the Glorious Quran, there is nothing called new testament, or bible or even old testament. There is the Thikr of Moses, which contains the Wasaya (Commandments, which are the 600+ Law Commandments), which the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad and Islam "the prophets did judge by it" (5:44). Even in the bibles we find in Deuteronomy 4:2 and other places say that the Commandments (600+) must not be mixed with any other text. Also, the Injeel or Injil is not the NT. It is the direct commands of Prophet Eesa (not Jesus), in which he mostly gave beautiful Commandments of Mercy, Compassion, Love, Fasting, Praying and Worshiping GOD Almighty Alone and associating no partners with Him, and also gave glad tidings about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and the new Covenant of Allah Almighty. The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them and upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of Allah Almighty (Not even Jesus was given the Book according to the Glorious Quran). We also read in Noble Verses 5:46-49: 
Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries: 
How big was the first New Testament?The early believers were also expecting an Arabian Prophet. The OT thoroughly talks about him and his new Covenant coming from Kedar in Arabia, and the NT talks about him coming after the Messiah: 
Why wasn't Prophet Muhammad preached by the early Christians in Jerusalem, Arabia, Africa and Europe? Early cities like Antioch, Corinth, Rome and others were never taught the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Doesn't this prove that Islam is false? But he was preached!
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The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them.
6- Allah is the GOD of the Bibles: [ 1] Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1,
*] [2]
[3].
The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.
The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews
such as Yemenites and others say
Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself
pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it
with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him:
Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD
Almighty
Allah. See the following videos for Biblical
references and proofs. Also,
pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have
GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for
GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It
is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which
not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always
been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before
birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew
is a developed language from Phoenician. See the
following links:

(Click to play videos)
Daniel 3:26 in Aramaic says "Servants of Allah (GOD Most High GOD)". Sam Shamoun showed where portions of his OT is mixed between Hebrew and Aramaic writings. He also unintentionally proved that the Hebrew "ben" (son) is not the same as the Aramaic "bar" (wrongly gets translated as "son"). The correct and accurate translation is for "bar" is "the chosen pious one". Again, Allah Almighty has NO DIVINE SON. He considers the pious chosen ones as close BARS. The Aramaic and Arabic are the same in this one. See the ample verses and analysis in the video. Please also visit: The
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew Yahweh is Baal to the Jews in Isaiah 54:5 and Hosea 2:16. Exposing the Christians' pagan-god Baal lie.
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https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1346.msg5127.html#msg5127:
ASSALAM ALYKAM
when ever i am in a debate christians always
quote me this
1 John 2:18-27
English Standard Version (ESV)
Warning Concerning Antichrists
18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you
have heard that antichrist is coming, so now
many antichrists have come. Therefore we know
that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from
us, but they were not of us; for if they had
been of us, they would have continued with us.
But they went out, that it might become plain
that they all are not of us. 20 But you have
been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have
knowledge.[a] 21 I write to you, not because you
do not know the truth, but because you know it,
and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who
is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the
Christ? This
is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and
the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the
Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father
also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning
abide in you. If what you heard from the
beginning abides in you, then you too will abide
in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the
promise that he made to us
Does Muhammad (pbuh) deny Jesus being the messiah?
Does the prophet Muhammad deny the existence of God
and God's servant Jesus?
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,
Notice here how Messiah was defined by
the author of the 1 John book to be "Father and Son".
Islam does not deny that Jesus is the Christ, nor does
the Holy Quran deny that the Jews and Christians were
called sons of GOD. The problem is that, like every
exaggerated religion out there, the "Son of GOD" title
became ridiculous over-blown. This is one of the many
things that Islam came to straighten out from the
corruption of the Jews and Christians.
Son of GOD in the
Bible means Servant of GOD.
This is a fact that no Jew or Christian could deny. And
the Servant is not just any servant. He is a servant
"raised to Honor"
as the Holy Quran puts it. That's what son of GOD
means. Taking it beyond this is bordering polytheism
and blasphemy. Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm
Similarly, in Judaism, Idolatry
is considered Spiritual Adultery against
GOD Almighty. Now I want you to think about this for a
second. Are we married to Allah Almighty? Absolutely
not. Yet, it is considered spiritual adultery?
Similarly, if you take this beyond metaphor, and start
speaking nonsense about you are married with GOD
Almighty, then you would be bordering blasphemy.
The liar in the 1 John verses, and I am
not saying that they are divine or original or authentic
in anyway, is one who denies Jesus is the Messiah. We
do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah. Therefore, this
title would not apply to us. But the title is messed up
anyway. How
could you be a liar even
if you don't believe Jesus was the Messiah??
Again, another metaphor that doesn't mean anything
actual. What is it that you're lying about?? It's like
one saying
if you're not hindu, then you're a thief!
What kind of a stupid statement is that??
Again, Islam came to fix this stupidity
and put an end to it. The blasphemies and stupidity
stop with Islam! That's the bottom line, my beloveds.
And last and not least, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.
In this article, you'll see that the books of John:
1- Were written by unknown people.
2- Do contain alterations and man-made
injections in them.
3- Were written by an unknown number of
men.
4- Were written in unknown places.
5- Were written in unknown dates.
Here is an example:
We find even more alarming troubles with
the Gospel of John itself. Since Christians believe
that the writer of the gospel of John is the same one as
the one who wrote 1 John, then it is important to point
out the following absurdity in the authenticity of this
gospel from its last and concluding chapter:
John 21:24-25
24 This is the disciple
(WHICH DISCIPLE?? WHAT IS HIS NAME??)
who testifies to these things and who wrote them down.
We know that his testimony is true
(HOW DO YOU KNOW?? DID YOU EVEN MEET HIM IN PERSON??)
25 Jesus did many other things as well.
If every one of them were written down, I suppose that
even the whole world would not have room for the books
that would be written.
Many have doubted that John even wrote the entire book:
"Many scholars of the past two centuries
have denied that
John wrote this book, partly
because of their belief that the
author fabricated many details such
as the miracles and the discourses of Jesus. (The
Holman Illustrated Study Bible, ISBN: 978-1-58640-275-4,
Gospel of John, Page1540)"
For ample more
quotes from several other Bible commentaries, again,
please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.
Now here is some analysis:
"We know that his testimony is true"?!
Wasn't the disciple John the one who
supposedly wrote the gospel of John?
How can he say about himself that
"we know that his (the author) testimony is true"?!
Isn't this a clear and indisputable proof that the book
was written by an unknown person?
I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Osama
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