My rebuttal to Brian G. Bloedel's article "Islam, The Koran (Noble Quran) and the Torah".
The following is a rebuttal to Mr. Brian G. Bloedel's the article that is located at: http://www.world-war-2-holocaust.org/koran.html.
He wrote:
ISLAM, THE KORAN AND THE TORAH
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
A Brief Examination of the Koran
Brian G. Bloedel, ©2002
Questions? Comments?
Revised: 14 August, 2003
NOTE: All Koranic quotations are from "AL-QUR'AN: A Contemporary Translation by Ahmed Ali", copyright 1984, published by Princeton University Press, ISBN 0-691-02046-9, all rights reserved. Quotations will be referenced by Surah number and verse number(s) separated by a colon (e.g., 28:15-19 is Surah number 28, verses 15 through 19).
Special thanks to Islamic apologist Demijan Omeragic for insisting that I delve much deeper into the history of the Koran and the evidence in its favour. This additional investigation has resulted in a significant revision of my original article.
My response:
I would like to also thank brother Demijan Omeragic along with brother Szilveszter Matuska Vladukt III for pushing me to refute this article. I also would like to give my Prayers to Mr. Brian G. Bloedel that Allah Almighty would open up his heart to Islam after reading this rebuttal.
He wrote:
Introduction
This examination of the Koran was
begun long before the terrorist attacks of 9-11-01. I come from a Christian background and
wanted to know the scriptural foundation of Islam. Going to the religion section of a
well-stocked bookstore I simply read jacket endorsements and selected Prof. Ali's work as
the best of the four versions of the Koran available on the shelf. I read it once to get
the general feel of the Koran, and then read it a second time with an eye towards
preparing this article.
Being familiar with the Judeo/Christian Bible (the King James and New International
Versions in particular), I am used to the structure and flow of the Bible. That is, the
Bible is arranged from our cosmic origins in Genesis Chapter 1, through the Torah,
histories, praise and teachings, prophets, Gospels, Acts, epistles, and finally the
apocalyptic end of this worldly age and beginning of the New Heaven & New Earth in the
Book of Revelation.
I was a little disconcerted to find no structure or flow in the Koran. Each "Surah" (of which there are one hundred and fourteen) is a totally independent and separate entity. After a seven verse Prologue Surah, the Koran is arranged roughly from longest Surahs, through medium length Surahs, ending with the shortest Surahs. However, the Koran could be arranged in any order with no impact whatsoever.
My response:
Before we start Mr. Bloedel, it is important for you to know that the Noble Quran is not a book of stories and narrations. Allah Almighty is not Concerned about that in His Last Revelation. His Last Revelation, the Noble Quran, is mainly concerned and focused on the Absolute Oneness of GOD Almighty; the King; the LORD; the Everlasting; the Eternal, and associating no partners (idols or humans) with Him.
Allah Almighty said:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Then Praise be to Allah, Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth- Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds! To Him be Glory throughout the heavens and the earth: and He is Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom!. (The Noble Quran, 45:36-37)"
For more information, please visit: What is the Wisdom of Islam?
He wrote:
Before getting down to specifics I will relate my general impressions of the Koran. Having read it twice, three main characteristics stand out:
1. The Koran was revealed to
Muhammad entirely in florid Arabic prose and poetry. Unfortunately, the beauty of the
original Arabic does not translate well into English. More importantly, the almost
overwhelming verbosity of the Koran tends to obscure the core truth statements sprinkled
amid the wordiness.
2. There are a lot of highly stylized and modified borrowings from the Bible, presented as
divinely inspired corrections to the Judeo/ Christian Scriptures.
3. There's a lot of space wasting repetition.
All of this gives the Koran a false sense of 'heft'. In the end, there is surprisingly little in the Koran that is both substantial and unique. But enough of impressions. It is now time to get down to case points.
My response:
Here is a response to your three points:
The First Point:
1- It is true that the Noble Quran was sent in Arabic, and the Arabic stylistic composition of the Noble Quran is miraculous, and is impossible to imitate. No one can really imitate it. Allah Almighty's challenge was never met by the strong Arabic poets 1500 years ago. In fact, the Arab pagans embraced Islam because of the strong poetry and stylistic miracle of the Noble Quran. Today, many Arab Christians who are affluent with the Arabic language poetry, structure, and grammar embrace Islam just by simply listening to the recitation of the Noble Quran on TV or radio. But, The Noble Quran was sent to Mankind and not just to the Arabs. The Miracle of the Noble Quran is within it. While the Biblical Prophets performed Miracles that proved their Truthfulness and Prophethoods, but their miracles had died when they died. Today, we don't see people curing blinds and raising dead and making bird from clay, etc... The Miracle of the Noble Quran is internal and Everlasting until the Day of Judgement. The following are a small sample of the Islamic Miracles:
From www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm:
Non-Muslim Scientists embraced Islam after discovering the Miracles of the Noble Quran!
Allah Almighty Said:
"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"
Very Important Discovery:

A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants
of the "smoke" that was the origin of the
whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble
Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust
and Hot Gas, or Smoke.
Another Very Important Discovery:

Allah Almighty Said: "And when
the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE RED HIDE - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when
Galaxies explode, they form a red-rose-shaped explosion. He
is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into red exploded galaxies
looking like red or reddish roses when the Day of Judgement
happens.
"This
web site has been developed with the aim of promoting and publicizing the works of Harun
Yahya, a prominent Turkish thinker and author. His books have attracted great attention
both in Turkey and worldwide. In the 90's especially, the works of Harun Yahya have been a
means of intellectual awakening for many Muslims, and non-Muslims alike, in the face of
the illusions of the modern age. In other words, the name Harun Yahya is an invitation to
the truth.
....................
The books of Harun Yahya and thus this web site seek to recall various
crucial facts, which people are led to disregard and even deny under the influence of the
turmoil of the modern age. One of these basic facts is that of creation, that the
universe, living things and man, are not self-existing entities, but the artifacts of God,
the Supreme Creator. We are all created by Him and to Him we will all return. The
allegedly "scientific" challenges to this fact like Darwinism and other
materialistic dogmas are nothing but deceptions, as explained in this site."
(http://www.harunyahya.com/m_about_site.php)

Dr. Zahlool Al-Najjar is a great Muslim
Geologist and Scientist who wrote many
books, publications (131 publications as shown on his
resume in English), and
10s of journals and reports proving many of the Noble Quranic Geological and
Scientific Claims to be accurate through Modern Science and Technologies.
He is well known in the
Scientists community of Geology in both the US and
Europe, because much of his work and research, especially during his early
days of scientific research, was done in these countries while he
resided and
studied in them.
Science in Islam:
The sub sections here are:
1- Life originated from water and dust
in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
2- The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
3- The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
4- Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation from the time of sexual
intercourse to the time of birth.
5- The number 19 code in the Noble Quran.
6- Medicine, Insects and Animals.
7- Psychology.
8- Great Web Sites and Online Books. More great resources and web site are available online.
9- Rebuttals.
10- Prophecies.
1- Life originated from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins:
Life originated from water in the Noble Quran.
Science and Existence of Plant's pairs - The Noble Quran claimed it 1500 years ago!
2- The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology:
The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.
The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around its axle.
Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".
The reduction of earth's size in both the Noble Quran and Science!
The Earth is round according to Islam.
Faults on earth in the Noble Quran and Science!
The Black Sea and
Dark Waters in the Noble Quran!
| The amazing creation of earth and
iron in the Noble Quran. Iron came from space,
and the Noble Quran mentioned it. The 7 properties of earth in the Noble Quran and Science. Read the first section of the article. Rebuttal to the "Heaven" and "Stars in the lower Heaven" in Noble Verses 37:6 and 65:12. Read the "Rebuttals" section in the article. This was an attempt to refute the fact that Allah Almighty Claimed that He Created 7 Ozone Layers as well as 7 different Heavens. The dead turning into Fossils and Iron. The Noble Quran Claimed it, and Science today Confirmed it!
http://www.universalunity.net/iron.htm This article shows the Mathematical Codes of Iron in the Noble Quran and Science, and shows how Science confirmed Allah Almighty's Divine Claim in Noble Verses 17:49-50 about the dead converting into rocks and iron. In case the web site is down, you can access the article on my site. http://www.universalunity.net/iron2.htm More elaborations on Noble Verses 17:49-51. In case the web site is down, you can access the article on my site. |
Living Creatures were
sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim.
The amazing creation of earth and mountains in the Noble Quran. Science confirms that mountains prevent the earth from shaking while it is revolving around itself, and that they are like pegs rooted in it. The Noble Quran made a similar claim.
Mountains prevent the earth from shaking - The Noble Quran claimed it and Science confirmed it!
Geology in the Noble Quran - See the Scientific confirmation.
Oceanology in the Noble Quran - See the Scientific confirmation. The barriers between waters in both science and the Noble Quran.
3- The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles:
The fault line and crack (split) of the moon in Noble Quran!
The amazing creation of earth (its 7 properties from
atmospheric and inner layers) and iron in the Noble Quran. Iron came from space, and the Noble Quran mentioned it.
Seven Atmospheric Layers in the Noble Quran confirmed by Science!
Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim.
The Speed of Light in the Noble Quran - A superb article by a Muslim Mathematician!
The Noble Quran and Astronomers both claim that the Universe is 18 billion years old.
The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him predicted around the time when the Cosmic Crunch occurs, the Sun would rise from the West.
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe. This article has pictures and quotes from Western scientific books that accurately confirm the astronomical claims of the Noble Quran. The Noble Quran was the only book that claimed that the universe originated from Hot Gas or Smoke. Science proved that this claim is true.
Comparison between Allah Almighty's claims about His Creation, and the scientific discoveries that 100% agree with Him. Claims such as: The universe is expanding, the existence of the sun's orbit, the protective atmosphere to the earth, Embryology and many more.
Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran that He is "Expanding" the Universe. Scientists already proved this claim to be true.The "Clot" and the Creation of the Universe in the Noble Quran.
Is there mention of U.F.Os or other Human Planets in the Noble Quran?
Einstein's time relativity in the Noble Quran.
Time Relativity in the Noble Quran.
UFOs and Space Shuttles were explicitly mentioned in the Noble Quran! Even the communication with UFOs was prophesied in the Noble Quran.
Aliens and UFOs in the Noble Quran.
Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.
4- Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth:
The Noble Quran on Human Embryonic Development.
Embryology in the Noble Quran. The three stages of the fetus formation in the Noble Quran and Science.
Abortion in Islam is a crime! The fetus is a human child in Islam.
The Noble Quran on the Cerebrum: Lying is generated from the person's forehead.
The region in the brain that controls our movements - In Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.
Sex determination and human creation in Islam. Allah Almighty and Prophet Muhammad both claimed that the human gender is determined by the male's ejaculated semen.
Were human cloning and gender alteration prophesied in Islam?
Why does the Noble Quran, while speaking about determination of the identity of the individual, speak specifically about finger tips? The Noble Quran recognized that finger tips (finger prints) are unique!
The blood circulation and the production of milk in the Breast: In the Noble Quran and Science.
Breastfeeding for 2 years in the Noble Quran. Science had confirmed Islam's Divine Claims.
Thinking with the heart besides the brain in the Noble Quran was proven by Science.
5- The number 19 code in the Noble Quran:
The Miracle of the number 19 in the Noble Quran. Yes, the number 19 is miraculous in the Noble Quran and was proven to be essential in many of the Scientific Theories and Discoveries. But it doesn't at all support Rashad Khalifa's removal of two Noble Verses from the Noble Quran, and his claim to be GOD Almighty's Messenger.
6- Medicine, Insects and Animals:
Animals' urine and it's relationship to medicine in Islam.
Camels could help cure humans.
Honey was proven to be healing for humans as was mentioned in the Noble Quran.
Scientific Miracles in the Quran Regarding Mary.
The fly insect and its cure: Mentioned in Islam and confirmed by Science (Bacteriophages).
7- Psychology:
The psychological Wisdom of Prayers in Islam was proven in Science and Psychology.
The Wisdom of the age of 40 in the Noble Quran, which had been Scientifically and Psychologically proven to be True. See why Allah Almighty is more forgiving to those who are under the age of 40, and how Science and Psychology proved that people under 40 are less mature and tend to make more irresponsible decisions (i.e., mistakes and sins).
8- Great Web Sites:
http://www.geocities.com/thetruebook/index.htm A great web site by a Muslim sister. Her name is Sundus.
http://www.it-is-truth.net/ This is an awesome web site that has Western scientific information that accurately confirms the Noble Quran's claims about astronomy, biology, geology and other sciences.
http://www.universalunity.net/universe.htm A great site with excellent articles that are backed quotes and proofs about science in the Noble Quran.

This web site is rich with irrefutable scientific facts and details that match many of the
Noble Quran's Verses. He has done a wonderful job in explaining things in good
details and providing detailed OBJECTIVE analysis that prove the Noble Quran's Scientific
Miracles. http://www.rationalreality.com.
Warning: This is a Hadith-rejector web site.

A great book that contains several articles backed by good Scientific references that
prove several of the Noble Quran's Scientific Miracles. http://www.islam-guide.com/.

http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_atheism.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_design_nature.php
Miracles of the
Noble Quran. Video files.
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_miracles_quran.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_quran_archaeology.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_myth_called_matter.php
The Bible, the Quran and Science. Written by Dr Maurice Bucaille. In his work, Dr. Baucille proves that the Quran correctly stated scientific facts unknown at the time of the Prophet - showing its divine origin!
A web site for the number 19 miracle in the Noble Quran.
Evaluating Islam as a Religion based on Divine Revelation.
Quran Prior to Science and Civilization, Astro, Islam, Mlivo.
Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.
9- Rebuttals:
Does the Noble Quran support "The Earth moves around the Sun" theory? Rebuttal to Mr. Avijit Roy's challenge.
My rebuttal to Avijit Roy's "Does the Quran support the Earth moves around the Sun theory" response.
My rebuttal to Avijit Roy's "Does Quran have any Scientific miracles?" article.
The Black Sea and Dark Waters in the Noble Quran!
A Muslim response to criticism of
Embryology in the Noble Quran. By Nadeem Arif Najmi.
Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped". Rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" team about "dahaha" in the Noble Quran.
My rebuttal to Jochen Katz' "The Qur'an and the flight of birds" article.
Did the Noble Quran really plagiarize Greek Embryology? A very nice article.
10- Prophecies:
Please visit The Noble Quran section, and read the "Prophecies" sub section to see the great Prophecies that were fulfilled only in the Noble Quran. The Noble Quran also made mention and promised the discovery of lost ancient cities and people's bodies, and these promises were all fulfilled today.
The Second Point:
2- The Noble Quran contains no borrowings from the Bible. While the Noble Quran does contain some accounts that exist in the Bible, but most of them are corrections to the Bible's historical and textual errors and contradictions within itself. Here is a sample of the Bible's errors and corruptions:
II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700
chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen
I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for
horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses
Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.
II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto
him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three
months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose
thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while
that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
How did Judas die?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and
hanged himself." (Matthew 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed
out." (Acts 1:18)
2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child
unto the day of her death.
2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare
unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom
she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to
reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the
daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned
three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the
LORD.
26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2
Who was Josiah's successor?
Jehoahaz - 2 Chronicle 36:1
Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11
Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible's own theologians and historians. It's quite hilarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's garbage:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'?
But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"
"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"
etc...
How do you respond to this?
Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible?
to see the book's bibliography to the above quotes.
Also, why don't you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!
The Third Point:
3- As to the repetition of Noble Verses, it is true that there are some repetitions, but not that many. I don't know why you emphasized so much on this point, because it is very minor. Allah Almighty for His Own Divine Wisdom chose to talk about certain topics more than once in some Noble Verses. But most of the Noble Quran does not contain repetitions in it. I would say repetitions are less than 5% of the entire Noble Book.
He wrote:
Section One
and Muhammad is His Prophet.
In order to be complete accurate and fair, I must admit that Islamic apologists have made a very good case that the Koran is a genuine product of supernatural revelation. The Koran contains verifiable scientific and historical information utterly beyond anyones knowledge fourteen centuries ago. Also, the prose and poetry of the Koran was too excellent and spiritually moving to be the product of an unschooled illiterate such as Muhammad.
He wrote:
I am glad you know this much Mr. Bloedel. This will insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing) allow me to further help you truly appreciate Islam and the Holy and Divine Message of Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran about Him being the Absolute One and True Living GOD and King.
He wrote:
However, truth claims should be substantiated before being accepted. This is especially the case when the claims involve divine revelation and prophetic authority. The Koran claimed Muhammad to be a "messenger" from God; a prophet and apostle (1). For example, in 9:33 the Koran stated, "It is He [i.e., God] who sent His Messenger [i.e., Muhammad] with guidance and the true faith in order to make it superior to other systems of belief, even though the idolaters may not like it." The problem here is that the Koran presented absolutely nothing to substantiate the claim of Muhammad being a true prophet of God other than its own authority. This is aggravated by the fact that the Koran repeatedly referred to the substantiating signs, wonders and miracles of Moses and Jesus (2), and harped on the "clear proofs" presented by earlier prophets and apostles (3). Yet the Koran presented no 'clear proof' to validate these claims about Muhammad. If there exists substantiating evidence, it is not presented in the Koran. (Consider 17:90-93)
Indeed 6:19 states, "Ask: "Of all things what is most vital as evidence?" Say: "God is witness between you and me that this Qur'an has been revealed to me [i.e., Muhammad] that I may warn you on its strength, and those whom it reaches."" That's all there is! Muhammad simply laid down "the Book" as revealed to him, and on the basis of its testimony declared himself to be a prophet---no, make that the final Great Prophet---and demanded that everyone submit to the authority of the Koran.
My response:
Good point Mr. Bloedel. However, I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. Allah Almighty did mention that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was indeed foretold in both the Jewish and Christian Revelations', the Torah and the Injil respectively. Here is what Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" (The Noble Quran, 61:6)"
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was foretold in both the Old and New Testaments. All of the articles with great details are located at: www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm. But the following is a small sample from the Old Testament:
From www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah.htm:
Isaiah 42:
This chapter seems to clearly speak about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for the following reasons:
Isaiah 42
The Servant of the Lord
1 "Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I
will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations.
2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets.
3 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff
out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice
on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope."
The Justice brought to the nations, the complete System of GOD Almighty's Laws on earth, the Truthfulness of Prophet Muhammad all point to these verses:
"O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:135)"
"O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For Allah, as witnesses To fair dealing, and let not The hatred of others To you make you swerve To wrong and depart from Justice. Be just: that is Next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 5:8)"
"But if anyone earns A fault or a sin And throws it on to one That is innocent, He carries (on himself) (Both) a falsehood And a flagrant sin. (The Noble Quran, 4:112)"
"Allah commands justice, the doing Of good, and liberality to kith And kin, and He forbids All shameful deeds, and injustice And rebellion: He instructs you, That ye may receive admonition. (The Noble Quran, 16:90)"
"...Help ye one another In righteousness and piety, But help ye not one another In sin and rancour: Fear Allah: for Allah Is strict in punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:2)"
Continuing with chapter Isaiah 42:
5 This is what God the LORD says- he who created the
heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who
gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
6 "I, the LORD , have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of
your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for
the people and a light for the Gentiles,
7 to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from
the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
The Gentiles are the non-Jews. These verses clearly suggest that the coming Prophet will be among the Gentiles. As to the covenant, please visit: Jesus told the Jews that GOD will take His Kingdom from them and give it to the Muslims. (The article is too lengthy to copy and paste here. So I ask the reader to read it thoroughly since it does contain Jesus' own quotes from the New Testament).
The following sets of verses offer even more proofs:
8 "I am the LORD ; that is my name! I will not
give my glory to another or my praise to idols.
9 See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before
they spring into being I announce them to you."
Song of Praise to the Lord
10Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who
go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them.
11 Let the desert and its towns raise their voices; let the
settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.
Kedar is the son of Ishmael peace be upon him: "These are
the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their
birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam,
(From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)"
Please visit: The "great nation" of Ishmael and its definition in the Bible.
Also, Prophet Muhammad had a direct blood link to Kedar and Ishmael. Please visit: Prophet Muhammad's Family Tree.
The "settlements where Kedar lives" is referring to
the Arabs. The Arabs before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were pagans.
They used to worship idols. They had 360 idols in the Holy City of Mecca.
GOD Almighty in Isaiah 42:11 is clearly saying that He will send the people of Kedar (i.e., the Arabs) a Prophet and they should "rejoice" and "raise their voices" in happiness.
Also, "Let the desert and its towns raise their voices;" is clearly referring to Arabia, since Arabia is known to be made of mostly deserts. Jerusalem was never called "desert", nor the Jews were ever called the people of "Kedar".
Important Note: Jesus in the Bible never even once visited Arabia! He only went to Egypt (when his mom escaped to Egypt from King Herod while he was a baby) and Palestine/Israel. Jesus really had nothing to do with the Arabs of Kedar. It was Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him that was born and lived in the lands of Kedar, and he taught the Muslims how to Worship and Glorify GOD Almighty. Please visit: What is the Wisdom of Islam?
Also, please visit: The original Name for GOD Almighty in the Bible was indeed "Allah". See the proofs from the original Hebrew and Aramaic sources.
12 Let them give glory to the LORD and proclaim his
praise in the islands.
13 The LORD will march out like a mighty man, like a warrior he will stir up
his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his
enemies.
14 "For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself
back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant.
15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills and dry up all their vegetation; I
will turn rivers into islands and dry up the pools.
16 I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I
will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places
smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them.
17 But those who trust in idols, who say to images, 'You are our gods,' will be
turned back in utter shame.
Ironically, many Western anti-Islamics criticize Islam for spreading by the sword. Islam did probably spread by the sword, but the Muslims never really
started any battle. It was the 360 pagan Arab tribes, and later the
Persian and Christian Roman Empires that declared wars against the Muslims, because
Islam's theology was rapidly expanding and it began to threat the pagan religion of Arabia
and later the two major Empires in the region.
"he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies" clearly means that this Prophet will fight by the sword the enemies of GOD Almighty. It was Muhammad and his Muslim followers that spread Islam by crushing and defeating the enemies in the battles.
Jesus never fought any war nor ever led any army, so this Prophecy can not apply to him.
Continuing with Isaiah 42:
Israel Blind and Deaf
18 "Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see!
19 Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is
blind like the one committed to me, blind like the servant of the LORD?
20 You have seen many things, but have paid no attention; your ears
are open, but you hear nothing."
21 It pleased the LORD for the sake of his righteousness to make his law great
and glorious.
22 But this is a people plundered and looted, all of them trapped in pits or
hidden away in prisons.
They have become plunder, with no one to rescue them; they have been made loot, with no
one to say, "Send them back."
Here we see GOD Almighty is upset and greatly disappointed from the Jews. He called them "deaf and blind".
23 Which of you will listen to this or pay close
attention in time to come?
24 Who handed Jacob over to become loot, and Israel to the plunderers? Was it
not the LORD ,
against whom we have sinned? For they would not follow his ways; they did not obey his
law.
25 So he poured out on them his burning anger, the violence of war. It
enveloped them in flames, yet they did not understand; it consumed them, but they did not
take it to heart.
Like above, here also we GOD Almighty upset with the people of Israel. Please visit:
Prophet Muhammad was foretold in Isaiah 42.
Please visit: Jesus told the Jews that GOD will take His Kingdom
from them and give it to the Muslims.
The "great nation" of Ishmael and its definition in the Bible.
Prophet Muhammad was foretold in Isaiah 42.
The original Name for GOD Almighty in the Bible was indeed "Allah".
Rebuttal to Silas' "Who is the Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18" article.
He wrote:
Section Two
Sorry, we're all 'Booked' up
The Koran purports to establish the one true faith. The Koran clearly and repeatedly recognized the Jewish and Christian scriptures as God-breathed, valid and authoritative (4). As Muhammad put it in 3:3-4, "He has verily revealed to you this Book [i.e., the Koran], in truth and confirmation of the Books revealed before, as indeed He had revealed the Torah and the Gospel before this as guidance for men, and has sent the criterion of falsehood and truth."
The Koran repeatedly makes the general admonition that people should "fulfill their devotional obligations" (2:277), but aside from some advice on acceptable foods, conduct while traveling far from home, punishments, marriage, divorce, and a few other points, the Koran really left it to the Jewish and Christian scriptures to 'fill in the blanks' as to the details of exactly what should be done.
My response:
That is not true. Allah Almighty is clear about the Jews and Christians believing in Him as the Absolute One GOD Almighty and associate no partners with Him:
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
The trinity lie that the Christians have invented around year 300 has no place in Islam. Thus, Allah Almighty did not leave it open for the Jews and Christians to believe as they wish.
Please visit: What is the place of Jesus, Jews, Christians and non-Muslims in Islam?
He wrote:
But there are a couple of problems here. First, modern Bible scholarship has given the world versions of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures with high levels of confidence as to faithfulness to the original manuscripts. The Bible as we have it today (including all purported errors and corruptions) was available in the Seventh Century of the Christian era; that is, available in the time of Muhammad.
That brings us to the second problem. If the Bible is at all accurate and valid, then Koranic Islam collides head-on with Judaism and Christianity in terms of historical accounts, logic and theology. I'll elaborate on these differences in greater detail in the following section. But in brief, the basic theological distinctives of the three religions are as follows:
1. Mosaic Judaism claimed that God is absolutely pure, holy and righteous. Human sin caused offence against the holy character of God, resulting in a penalty of death. The Mosaic code in the Torah established a priesthood overseeing an animal sacrifice system to provide a blood atonement for human sins, and a moral/legal system to minimize sin and establish justice.
2. The distinctive claims of Apostles Creed Christianity are that the death of animals cannot atone for human sins, therefore God enfleshed Himself into this world through His virgin born son Jesus who offered himself on the cross as the final blood sacrifice on behalf of mankind; was resurrected from death in glorified form; and ascended to the right hand of God the Father so that all who believe in Him will have eternal life in the perfected New Heaven and New Earth. (Read the Gospel according to John, the Letter to the Hebrews, and the Book of Revelation in the Christian Testament)
3. The central claims of the Koran are that if you recognize and submit to the one true God and His Prophet Muhammad, perform your religious devotional obligations, pay the zakat (i.e., charitable alms and service), make Hajj (a pilgrimage to Mecca), and ensure that your good deeds outweigh your bad deeds (all of which constitute the 'Pillars of Islam'), then God will simply cancel your debt, forget about your sins, and admit you on the day of resurrection into the eternal Paradise of earthly carnal delights.
Jews may hotly dispute the Christian claim that the logic and theology of the Christian Testament flow smoothly and naturally from the Hebrew Jewish Testament. Muslims, however, are in a real pickle because Koranic theology clashes with both of those Testaments. It could hardly have been denied by any informed person of Mohammad's time that Mosaic Jews really and truly did set up a priesthood, built the Tabernacle/Temple, and operated an animal sacrifice system for the atonement of sins against God. This system was in operation from the time of Moses all the way through the ministry of Jesus until the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem by the pagan Romans in the year 70 C.E.
I don't think Muhammad really grasped the significance of the Mosaic system, for none of it survives in the Koran. If the Koran is actually correct, then the Mosaic sacrificial system was a gargantuan waste of time, effort and animals; and the error would seriously undermine the credibility of both the Torah as genuine Revelation and of Moses as a true prophet of God.
My response:
No where in the Noble Quran or Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad) does it suggest that the entire Bible is perfect and free from error. But this still doesn't prevent you as a Jew from following the social rules of the Torah when dealing with your own social issues and judgements such as punishments:
From www.answering-christianity.com/laws_of_murder.htm:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "For the children of Israel the punishment for crime was Al-Qisas only (i.e., the law of equality in punishment) and the payment of Blood money was not permitted as an alternate. But Allah said to this nation (Muslims): 'O you who believe! Qisas is prescribed for you in case of murder, .....(up to) ...end of the Verse. (2.178)
Ibn 'Abbas added: Remission (forgiveness) in this Verse, means to accept the Blood-money in an intentional murder. Ibn 'Abbas added: The Verse: 'Then the relatives should demand Blood-money in a reasonable manner.' (2.178) means that the demand should be reasonable and it is to be compensated with handsome gratitude. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Blood Money (Ad-Diyat), Volume 9, Book 83, Number 20)"
Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The law of Qisas (i.e. equality in punishment) was prescribed for the children of Israel, but the Diya (i.e. blood money was not ordained for them). So Allah said to this Nation (i.e. Muslims):
"O you who believe! The law of Al-Qisas (i.e. equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in cases of murder: The free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the relatives (or one of them) of the killed (person) forgive their brother (i.e. the killers something of Qisas (i.e. not to kill the killer by accepting blood money in the case of intentional murder)----then the relatives (of the killed person) should demand blood-money in a reasonable manner and the killer must pay with handsome gratitude. This is an alleviation and a Mercy from your Lord, (in comparison to what was prescribed for the nations before you).
So after this, whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. to kill the killer after taking the blood-money) shall have a painful torment." (2.178) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 25)"
Also:
From www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm:
Islam is a witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption in the Bible. Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is valid, and anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is discarded:
"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Please visit Contradictions and Proofs of Historical Corruption in the Bible.
In the "Missionary Traps for Muslims" section below in the article, you will see detailed explanations that will further shed some light upon what parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth.
Please visit Why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?
Did Prophet Muhammad recognize the Bible as an error-free book?
What is the best way to convert a Christian to Islam?
Also:
From www.answering-christianity.com/bible_not_error_free.htm:
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Narrated AbuNamlah al-Ansari: "When he was sitting with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and a Jew was also with him, a funeral passed by him. He (the Jew) asked (Him): Muhammad, does this funeral speak? The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Allah has more knowledge. The Jew said: It speaks.
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whatever the people of the Book [Jews and Christians] tell you, do not verify them, nor falsify them, but say: We believe in Allah and His Apostle. If it is false, do not confirm it, and if it is right, do not falsify it. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3637)"
The following two Sayings of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Narrated Abu Huraira: "The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Apostle said (to the Muslims). 'Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' ' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460)"
As we clearly see in the above Sayings of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, we see that the source that the Jews and Christians use (i.e. the Bible or any other religious source such as their Popes', Rabbis or other religious people's verdicts) must be ignored because it is not reliable. As we've seen in the above introduction, the man-made scribes (laws) had corrupted the Bible and turned it "into a lie" (Jeremiah 8:8).
Please visit According to Islam, why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
Just who were the real authors of the Bible? Today's Books and Gospels' authors of the Bible are UNKNOWN. See the comments that prove that from the Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible from the NIV Bible itself! Just why in the world should I believe in today's Bible?
What about the Jews whom the Prophet punished according to their Mosaic Law?
The following was sent to me by brother Johnny Bravo; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
The missionary argument is that Islamically the Bible is accurate because Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him ruled according to one of its law. This is indeed very funny. Christian Missionary, Sam Shamoun, after distorting dozens of verses from the Holy Quran and amazing his with his funny interpretations, informs his readers:
"Our usage of the Quran does not imply our belief in its authority nor its inspiration. We quote it solely for the sake of convincing the Muslims of the Bible's authority and authenticity as a fact confirmed by their religious text."
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/aboutbible.htm
Precisely! Similarly, the ruling of stoning applied to the Jew and Jewess according to the Jewish scriptures also does not imply that the entire text of the Jewish Christian scriptures is authentic and pristine. Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him was *also* using it as his evidence against the Jews. Yes there were many addition and deletion in the Jewish scriptures, they were corrupted, but despite their corruption, they still contained enough truth in them to lead any person to Islam. Thus, had the Jews followed their own book, they would have had no other choice but to become Muslims because their book still contained enough truth therein to lead a person to Islam. The problem with the Jews was that they didn't even bother to follow that which they themselves considered to be Divinely revealed by Allah.
The punishment for stoning for example is the authentic revelation from Allah which we find intact in even the present day Jewish scriptures, but these Jews during the time of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him did not bother to follow this Law revealed by Allah. Had they applied all the laws and commandments in their scriptures, never mind the corruption, they would have had no choice but to become Muslims.
Well known commentator Ibn Kathir, explains:
"These Hadith's (Saying of Prophet Muhammad in Arabic) state that the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him issued a decision that conforms with the ruling in the Tawrah, not to honour the Jews in what they believe in, for the Jews were commanded to follow the Law of Muhammad peace be upon him only. Rather, the Prophet peace be upon him did this because Allah commanded him to do so.
He asked them about the ruling of stoning in the Tawrah to make them admit to what the Tawrah (Torah) contains and what they collaborated to hide, deny and exclude from implementing for all that time. They had to admit to what they did, although they did it while having knowledge of the correct ruling. What made them go to the Prophet peace be upon him for judgement in this matter was their lusts and desires, hoping that the Prophet peace be upon him would agree with their opinion, not that they believed in the correctness of his judgement."
[Tafsir Ibn Kathir Abridged. Volume 3. Pg. 182. Darussalam Publishers and Distributors. 2000]
Sheikh Abdurrahman Abdul-Khaaliq states:
"The Torah, the Old Testament, and the Gospel, the New testament, still contain some truth and guidance that can be evidence against Jews and Christians. If they implemented their laws, Jews and Christians would believe in the Prophet Muhammad's message, confirming what was sent before him, and thus would follow the guidance and light. Muhammad was sent down with clear evidence to his truthfulness and he followed the path of the Prophets before him, who were sent to the Jews and the Christians."
[Sheikh Abdurrahman Abdul-Khaaliq. "The Bible's Testimony that Jesus is the Slave-Servant, and Messenger of Allah." pg. 8. The Daar of Islamic Heritage 1994]
So there we go. It is worth noting that the Quran does not mention any "Bible" or "Mathew", "Mark", "Genesis", "Numbers" etc. The Quran only mentions the Tauraat revealed to Musa (Moses) peace be upon him and the Injeel (Gospel) revealed to Esa (Jesus) peace be upon him. Not any Gospel "according to Mathew" etc. The Quran is MUHAYMIN over the previous scriptures (5:48), meaning criteria, watcher-over, control, guardian, dominant, trustworthy, witness, rectifying etc. So whatever agrees with the Quran we accept that we reject whatever disagrees with the Quran. The present day Jewish Christian scriptures may contain truth in them, we do not deny that, however their also contain the words of man and errors, interpolations and deletions. A Muslim is commanded to use the Quran as the judge (5:48) to separate the truth from falsehood.
Please visit According to Islam, why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?
Just who were the real authors of the Bible? Today's Books and Gospels' authors of the Bible are UNKNOWN. See the comments that prove that from the Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible from the NIV Bible itself! Just why in the world should I believe in today's Bible?
He Wrote:
As mentioned in my introduction, the
Koran has a substantial amount of borrowings from the Bible, especially the Jewish
Testament. An excellent example of this is Surah #12 entitled "Joseph", which
was presented as a stylized, supposedly corrected version of the story of Joseph in Egypt
from the Book of Genesis. The problem with all of the corrected 'history' in the Koran is
that it doesn't actually accomplish anything. Even if the Koran's versions are true they
would have almost no theological impact on the Jewish Testament, as they don't address the
Mosaic system of atonement of sin by substitutionary sacrifice, and the reconciliation of
God and mankind.
The problems become acute when the Koran refers to the Christian Testament. Its accounts
of the ministry, mission and ultimate fate of Jesus are completely at odds with the best
available Christian Testament manuscripts. Both Muhammad and Islamic scholars from his day
to the present would have had to have clearly demonstrated outright fraud and/or gross
incompetence on the part of Christian Church leaders, theologians, philosophers, scholars
and historians. The substantial improvements in Christian Testament manuscripts,
archaeological evidence, biblical era historical research and critical textual analysis of
the past one hundred and fifty years, however, place this goal out of the reach of Islamic
scholars.
My Response:
Again, the Noble Quran did not borrow from the Bible, but rather, fixed the Bible's accounts and historical and textual contradictions and errors. Again, here is a sample of some Bible errors:
II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700
chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen
I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for
horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses
Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.
II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto
him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three
months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose
thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while
that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
How did Judas die?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and
hanged himself." (Matthew 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed
out." (Acts 1:18)
2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child
unto the day of her death.
2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare
unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom
she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to
reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the
daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned
three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the
LORD.
26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2
Who was Josiah's successor?
Jehoahaz - 2 Chronicle 36:1
Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11
Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible's own theologians and historians. It's quite hellarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's garbage:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'?
But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"
"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"
etc...
How do you respond to this?
Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible?
to see the book's bibliography to the above quotes.
Also, why don't you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!
He wrote:
Section Three
Details, details, details.
Since the Koran has no structure and simply rambles from subject to subject in its Surahs, I am going to approach the following topics in alphabetical order.
1
Abraham
Abraham was the Koran's ideal of near perfect faith and performance. In 2:130 Muhammad says, "Who will turn away from the creed of Abraham but one dull of soul? We [i.e., God] made him the chosen one here in the world, and one of the best in the world to come " And in 3:67-68, "Neither was Abraham a Jew nor a Christian, but upright and obedient, and not an idolater. Of all men the nearest to Abraham are those who follow him, and then this Prophet [i.e., Muhammad] and the faithful; "
2
America
Though America is certainly not
mentioned in the Koran, I thought the following quote of 60:7-9 to be appropriate in the
aftermath of the 9-11-01 attacks: "It may be that God will create love between you
and your enemies. God is all-powerful, and God is forgiving, ever-merciful. God does not
forbid you from being kind and acting justly towards those who did not fight over faith
with you, nor expelled you from your homes. God indeed loves those who are just. He only
forbids you from making friends with those who fought over faith with you and banished you
from your homes, and aided in your exile."
America has been kind and acted justly to people of all faiths. Our Constitution
guarantees equal protection under the law; one nation, under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all. Many Islamic nations cannot say the same.
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Christianity
If the Koran's take on the Christian Scriptures is correct, then orthodox Apostles Creed Christianity is a monumental hoax and criminal fraud against humanity. Surah 2:75-79 puts the matter bluntly: "How do you expect them to put their faith in you, when you know that some among them heard the word of God and, having understood, perverted it knowingly? Do they not know that God is aware of what they hide and what they disclose? Among them are heathens who know nothing of the Book but only what they wish to believe, and are only lost in fantasies. But woe to them who fake the Scriptures and say: "This is from God," so that they might earn some profit thereby; and woe to them for what they fake, and woe to them for what they earn from it!"
Consider the following verses,
4:157-8 "And for saying: "We [i.e., the Jews] killed the Christ, Jesus, son of
Mary, who was an apostle of God;" but they neither killed nor crucified him, though
it so appeared to them. Those who disagree in the matter are only lost in doubt. They have
no knowledge about it other than conjecture, for surely they did not kill him, but God
raised him up in position and closer to Himself; and God is all-mighty and all-wise."
The Koran's lack of clarity and precision makes these verses difficult to interpret. If
these verses are simply saying that technically the Jews did not kill Jesus, then this was
common knowledge even in Muhammad's time; the gentile Romans did the actual dirty work as
clearly recorded in the Christian Scriptures. Or perhaps the Koran was addressing the
rumor that the Jews themselves stoned Jesus to death. Though the Christian symbol of the
Cross would be invalidated, there would be no real impact on Christian theology as long as
Jesus was actually killed at that time.
However, if these verses are saying that Jesus did not die at all, then orthodox
Christianity utterly collapses. If Jesus did not die on the cross at the hands of the
Romans (thereby spreading the blame on Jew and Gentile alike) or die from stoning at the
hands of the Jews, then he cannot be the blood atonement for the sins of mankind. After
all, the sacrificial offering cannot survive the sacrifice.
But aside from that, the Koran repeatedly stated that Jesus was not the Son of God (5). In
4:171 the Koran clearly said, "The Messiah who is Jesus, son of Mary, was only an
apostle of God,
and do not call Him 'Trinity'
for God is only one God, and far
from His glory is it to beget a son." This however puts Muhammad and Islam in a real
bind. The Koran clearly recognized Jesus as a virgin born prophet/apostle/Messiah (6) with
an important Gospel message (7), who worked many miracles (8). The Gospel message was
corrupted (9), so the Koran had to set everything straight. The problem here is that the
Koran didn't say anything about that important gospel message other than its standard line
that you must recognize God and His prophet Muhammad, satisfy your devotional obligations,
pay the zakat, and do good works. Surely God did not have to raise up a virgin born,
wonder working, Gospel-preaching prophet/Messiah to say that. If there was anything else
of substance in Jesus' important Gospel message, none of it was recorded in the Koran.
Indeed, any way you look at the situation, Jesus is a major problem for Islam. On the one hand, if Jesus was "raised up" near the time Christians claim that he was crucified then God Himself inexplicably put an early end to the ministry of an important Muslim prophet, thereby giving credence to the false rumor of resurrection that would form the basis of the heretical religion of Christianity. On the other hand, if Jesus lived a long full life before being "raised up", the question is begged as to why he didn't simply present himself publicly as alive and well, thereby ending Christianity before it could begin, while completing his mission as a Muslim prophet/apostle/Messiah, with a faithfully recorded Muslim "gospel" preserved for modern day examination.
The Koranic claim that Jesus was 'Messiah' is also problematic. The Jews expected a Messiah who would throw off the yoke of foreign tyranny, restore the glory days of Israel, and establish universal peace prosperity and justice. The Christians claimed that Jesus Messiah was the Son of God come to atone for the sins of mankind and offer eternal life. Muslims claimed that the Messiah (if that word has any real meaning in an Arab context) would introduce the 'Pillars of Islam' and act as the forerunner and herald of the final Great Prophet.
Therefore, if the Koran's version of
the gospel is correct then Jesus must be counted as a 'three strike' failure. He failed as
a Jewish Messiah, failed as a Christian Messiah, and failed miserably as a Muslim Messiah.
Indeed, the Muslim ministry of Jesus would have to be recognized as being worse than
worthless because the heretical/blasphemous religion of Christianity was founded upon the
ruins of a failed Muslim Messiah. This would be a pitiful commentary on the validity of
Islam.
Apparently, whoever (or whatever) revealed the Koran to Muhammad simply was not familiar
with Mosaic Judaism or Apostles Creed Christianity. The Koran gives the impression that
everything was just a big misunderstanding and that with the fresh, corrected revelation
of the Koran everyone could come together in harmony under the big-top tent of Islam. 3:64
states, "O people of the Book, let us come to an agreement on that which is common
between us, that we worship no one but God, and make none His compeer [i.e., Jesus, Mary,
pagan gods, etc.], and that none of us take any others for lord apart from God." I'm
sure Muhammad sincerely felt that this was very reasonable, and was probably miffed when
Jews and Christians failed to come around to his way of thinking. But the entire passage
of 3:64-71 is a poison pill for Christianity. Again, if the Koran was correct then all of
Mosaic Judaism and orthodox Christianity were wrong, making both of them utterly false
religions, and corruptors of original revelation and history.
My response:
Again, no where in the Noble Quran or Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad) does it suggest that the entire Bible is perfect and free from error. But this still doesn't prevent you as a Jew from following the social rules of the Torah when dealing with your own social issues and judgements such as punishments:
From www.answering-christianity.com/laws_of_murder.htm:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "For the children of Israel the punishment for crime was Al-Qisas only (i.e., the law of equality in punishment) and the payment of Blood money was not permitted as an alternate. But Allah said to this nation (Muslims): 'O you who believe! Qisas is prescribed for you in case of murder, .....(up to) ...end of the Verse. (2.178)
Ibn 'Abbas added: Remission (forgiveness) in this Verse, means to accept the Blood-money in an intentional murder. Ibn 'Abbas added: The Verse: 'Then the relatives should demand Blood-money in a reasonable manner.' (2.178) means that the demand should be reasonable and it is to be compensated with handsome gratitude. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Blood Money (Ad-Diyat), Volume 9, Book 83, Number 20)"
Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The law of Qisas (i.e. equality in punishment) was prescribed for the children of Israel, but the Diya (i.e. blood money was not ordained for them). So Allah said to this Nation (i.e. Muslims):
"O you who believe! The law of Al-Qisas (i.e. equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in cases of murder: The free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the relatives (or one of them) of the killed (person) forgive their brother (i.e. the killers something of Qisas (i.e. not to kill the killer by accepting blood money in the case of intentional murder)----then the relatives (of the killed person) should demand blood-money in a reasonable manner and the killer must pay with handsome gratitude. This is an alleviation and a Mercy from your Lord, (in comparison to what was prescribed for the nations before you).
So after this, whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. to kill the killer after taking the blood-money) shall have a painful torment." (2.178) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 25)"
Also:
From www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm:
Islam is a witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption in the Bible. Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is valid, and anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is discarded:
"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Please visit Contradictions and Proofs of Historical Corruption in the Bible.
In the "Missionary Traps for Muslims" section below in the article, you will see detailed explanations that will further shed some light upon what parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth.
Please visit Why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?
Did Prophet Muhammad recognize the Bible as an error-free book?
What is the best way to convert a Christian to Islam?
Also:
From www.answering-christianity.com/bible_not_error_free.htm:
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Narrated AbuNamlah al-Ansari: "When he was sitting with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and a Jew was also with him, a funeral passed by him. He (the Jew) asked (Him): Muhammad, does this funeral speak? The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Allah has more knowledge. The Jew said: It speaks.
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whatever the people of the Book [Jews and Christians] tell you, do not verify them, nor falsify them, but say: We believe in Allah and His Apostle. If it is false, do not confirm it, and if it is right, do not falsify it. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3637)"
The following two Sayings of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Narrated Abu Huraira: "The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Apostle said (to the Muslims). 'Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' ' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460)"
As we clearly see in the above Sayings of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, we see that the source that the Jews and Christians use (i.e. the Bible or any other religious source such as their Popes', Rabbis or other religious people's verdicts) must be ignored because it is not reliable. As we've seen in the above introduction, the man-made scribes (laws) had corrupted the Bible and turned it "into a lie" (Jeremiah 8:8).
Please visit According to Islam, why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
Just who were the real authors of the Bible? Today's Books and Gospels' authors of the Bible are UNKNOWN. See the comments that prove that from the Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible from the NIV Bible itself! Just why in the world should I believe in today's Bible?
What about the Jews whom the Prophet punished according to their Mosaic Law?
The following was sent to me by brother Johnny Bravo; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
The missionary argument is that Islamically the Bible is accurate because Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him ruled according to one of its law. This is indeed very funny. Christian Missionary, Sam Shamoun, after distorting dozens of verses from the Holy Quran and amazing his with his funny interpretations, informs his readers:
"Our usage of the Quran does not imply our belief in its authority nor its inspiration. We quote it solely for the sake of convincing the Muslims of the Bible's authority and authenticity as a fact confirmed by their religious text."
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/aboutbible.htm
Precisely! Similarly, the ruling of stoning applied to the Jew and Jewess according to the Jewish scriptures also does not imply that the entire text of the Jewish Christian scriptures is authentic and pristine. Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him was *also* using it as his evidence against the Jews. Yes there were many