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My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Examining the Evidence which proves that the Spirit is God" blasphemous article (PART II):

The following is my rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's part-2-article that is located at: http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/spirit2.htm.   Also, my Part I rebuttal is located at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit1_rebuttal.htm.

 

 

Note about Shamoun's lack of integrity:

As I mentioned in my previous rebuttal, Sam Shamoun is a deceiver who is fond on limiting his reader to read the Truth.  If you notice throughout all of his absurd "responses", he unlinked all of the links that I provided to the reader.   This is both unethical and cowardly.  If Shamoun truly didn't fear my articles, he wouldn't have unlinked them.  Like I mentioned, it is up to the reader to decide and not up to him.

Now Shamoun the coward might utter more lies by saying that he is trying to prevent the reader from straying away from the subject, or that he wants to prevent me from confusing the reader.  This would only further prove that he is not only a liar, but also very disrespectful to his readers' intellects, because the readers don't need weasels like him to tell them what to read and what not to read.  Also in this case, the liar himself should not also provide any links of his either.  It should go both ways if he cares about being honest.   Also by the way, as the reader can clearly see, all of my links are relevant to the topic.

I personally always keep his links.  I am not afraid of the lies that he believes in.  They are nothing but lies and my job here is to debunk them and expose them to the fullest!  But I just find it quite ridiculous that Shamoun eliminates for his reader the comfort to have the capacity and the freedom to read the points that he/she feels necessary to be elaborated on, through removing all of my links in his so-called "rebuttals".

 

Anyway, let's move on with his article....

 

 

He wrote:

The Holy Spirit in Christianity and Islam [Part 2]

Here is the second part of our response to Osama’s paper on the Spirit’s identity.

When we last left Osama, he accused the God of the Holy Bible of lying. Here, we want to show that it isn’t the Holy God of the Bible who lies, but the god of Islam who does:

But they (the Jews) were crafty, and God was crafty, for God is the best of crafty ones! When God said, 'O Jesus! I will make Thee die and take Thee up again to me and will clear thee of those who misbelieve, and will make those who follow thee above those who misbelieve, at the day of judgment, then to me is your return. I will decide between you concerning that wherein ye disagree. S. 3:54-55 Palmer

And:

And when those who misbelieve were crafty with thee to detain thee a prisoner, or kill thee, or drive thee forth; they were crafty, but God was crafty too, for God is best of crafty ones! S. 8:30 Palmer

The word for crafty is makr which, according to Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub, means deceitfulness or dishonesty. (Ayoub, The Quran and Its Interpreters: The House of Imran [1992 State University of New York Press, Albany], Volume II, p. 165; bold emphasis ours)

After listing several Muslim sources, Ayoub quotes ar-Razi as saying that,

"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; bold and italic emphasis ours)

Ayoub even mentions one Muslim who actually boasted that Allah was the best conniver, deceiver, schemer etc. Ayoub cites renowned Muslim commentator al-Qurtubi’s comments that some scholars viewed the words "best of schemers" as one of God’s beautiful names! Ayoub writes,

Thus one would pray, "O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!" Qurtubi also reports that Muhammad used to pray, "O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!" (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366). (Ibid., p. 166)

Osama may argue that specific words such as makr do not have their normal meaning when used of Allah. The problem with this is that it ignores passages of the Quran where it shows Allah actually deceiving mankind, i.e. Allah deceived people into thinking that Jesus was crucified when he really wasn’t (Cf. surah 4:157).

Osama may further respond that Allah didn’t deceive mankind, since he has clearly informed believers what actually transpired during Jesus’ final moments on earth. The problem with this argument is that Allah’s so-called "revelation" is approximately 600 years too late. Christians, Jews and pagans had to wait for the advent of Muhammad before being told by Allah that Jesus was not crucified. And in addition, this "correction" was made in such an untrustworthy way, and given with such ambiguous language, that today there are still billions of Christians, Jews and atheists who believe in Christ’s crucifixion, due to the Quran failing to make a credible and clear case for its position. In fact, there are even some Muslims such as the Ahmadiyyas who do not believe that the Quran is really denying that Christ was crucified. They believe that the Quran is denying that Christ died by crucifixion. They assert that he was crucified but survived!

 

 

My response:

First of all, I never said that GOD Almighty was a liar.  Sam Shamoun is notorious in fabricating lies and insulting his readers' intellects by hopelessly trying to pass gibberish nonsense on them in a hope that they believe him.  In my previous rebuttal to his first absurd "response", I wrote the following in the very last paragraph of the article:

Again, it is more than obvious that I was talking about metaphoric and figurative speech in the bible.   I even linked the article where the verses were mentioned.  Ironically, because of your utter failure to respond to the irrefutable samples that I provided about the metaphoric speech in the bible, you not only purposely avoided to address them and interact with them in front of the reader, but very laughably went ahead and unlinked my link so that the reader wouldn't see the article at all!  Hilarious indeed!

As the reader clearly sees, I am not afraid to link to any of the links you provide.   It is only fair and ethical to show the reader the other side's full arguments.   It is up to the reader to decide and not up to you.

At any rate, in the light of all of the evidence that I provided above from both the Noble Quran and the Bible, it is beyond doubt that the Holy Spirit is:

1-  A Creation of GOD Almighty.

2-  Works only under the Command of GOD Almighty.

3-  Is under GOD Almighty and is not part of Him.


Anything else beyond this is clear blasphemy!

 

Now in regards to the nonsense that he uttered above, GOD Almighty is the Creator of all things, He can Decide and Choose as He Pleases without Judgement.  He Treats His enemies from mankind with what they deserve.  He Chooses whom He Wants to lead astray and whom He Wants Lead to the Right Path.  He is GOD Almighty and no one has the right to question any of His Divine and Holy Decisions.

Now in regards to Jesus' so-called crucifixion lie, Allah Almighty Never made any lie.   Allah Almighty Saved Jesus from the snare and evil of the Jews. 

 

The Early Christians' Doctrines claimed that Jesus never got crucified:

Also, the early christians' doctrines during the 1st and 2nd centuries declared that Jesus never got crucified!  To the reader, please visit the following links for clear proofs and elaborations:

The early Christians rejected Trinity.   Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.

Early Christians' Doctrines confirm Jesus DID NOT GET crucified.  See proofs that the early Christians' scriptures during the 1st and 2nd centuries claimed that GOD Almighty Saved Jesus from crucifixion.

Hebrews 5:7-8 confirm Islam's claim about Jesus never got crucified and contradicts the Bible!  According to the documentary film, "Banned from the Bible", which I watched on the History Channel, some of Saint Peter's apocalypse were banned from the current Bible, and these Epistles contain what Islam claims - that Jesus didn't get crucified on the cross and it only appeared that he was.  This banned part also says that Jesus was standing next to the cross laughing.  These are the parts of the Bible that only few people in the world know about.

According to the documentary film, the apocalypse was very popular among Christians during the 2nd century.  They believed "it was spiritually inspired" by GOD Almighty to Saint Peter.  They actually had doubts about "John's apocalypse", which is known today as "the Book of Revelation".  Interestingly also, this apocalypse says that after GOD Almighty fills both Heaven and Hell with inhabitants from Mankind, and the people of Hell get tortured for a long period of time, the People of Heaven will ask and Pray to GOD Almighty to Forgive the people of Hell.  GOD Almighty will then eventually listen to their Prayers, and will order the "Gates and the Steel Bars of Hell" to be opened and allow the people of Hell to enter Heaven for Good.  This apocalypse of Peter seems to also perfectly fit Noble Verse 7:40 in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty Promised that He will eventually open the Gates of Heaven to all disbelievers and empty Hell.  Please visit: Hell will eventually be empty according to Islam.

Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus?
It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross.  I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken.  My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion.  I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.  I also showed in Isaiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....", which clearly and perfectly agrees with Islam about Jesus never died on the cross.  "Raised and lifted" suggests that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty.  It suggests that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

None of Jesus' disciples witnessed the crucifixion. They "all fled" and "deserted" Jesus. This further confirms Islam's claims.

Jesus was never "disfigured beyond human recognition" in the New Testament as the Old Testament predicted!

 

 

 

What about the "LIES" in Shamoun's corrupted bible?

It is time to deal with Shamoun's sever ignorance and blasphemous hypocrisy.   Since Shamoun is fond on declaring Allah Almighty as a liar, then I want to expose his blasphemous hypocrisy by presenting the following from his man-altered and corrupted bible, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' privates:

 

From http://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_quran_differences.htm:

GOD Almighty's figurative Temptation:

Luke 11
2 He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.' "
5 Then he said to them, "Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread,

 

From http://www.answering-christianity.com/abrogation_in_bible.htm:

 

2-  "Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!"   

One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says:  "Thou shalt not kill.  (Exodus 20:13)."  Yet, we see GOD Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

If Exodus 20:13 was supposed to be the basic pillar that prevents the Bible followers from committing murders against innocent people, then how is Numbers 31:17-18 justified then when GOD Almighty Himself nullified His own Commands and decided to kill innocent children and virgin girls perhaps by the thousands?


It is most ironic that GOD Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!


Did you Know:

Extreme fundamentalists and racists from among the Christians such as Pat Robertson and George W. Bush who could careless about who dies and who doesn't in wars from innocent people are WELL KNOWN FOR THEIR CARELESSNESS about the deaths of innocent civilians?   The 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqis that died in the previous Persian Gulf wars [1] [2] [3], and the deformed Iraqi children from the US' Deplete Uranium bombs clearly and irrefutably prove this.

Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place throughout the world happened by Christians.  World Wars I and II prove this.   The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if their interests are threatened.

We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity to at least earn their freedom. 

Last and most definitely not least, we must not forget about the Native Americans (Red Indians) and how the white Christian man literally killed more than 90% of their population throughout the lands.

 

The white Christian man is the biggest terrorist this world ever known!!

 

 

5-  Jesus compromised his own teachings regarding Prayers.  He commanded his followers to Pray in a certain way and he then compromised it by bowing down to GOD Almighty.  He only prostrated to GOD Almighty once during his most desperate times with his face down to the ground, while we Muslims do it everyday in our 5-daily set of Prayers.  He also did the "vain repetitions" ENDLESSLY all night long while he prohibited his followers from doing it.

The article is too long to post here.  Therefore, please visit:


Jesus is a hypocrite for bowing down to GOD only during his desperate times.

 

Islam is the only solution and salvation!  It's funny that even the Jesus of the corrupt bible prayed to GOD Almighty as we Muslims do by prostrating his face down to the ground before GOD Almighty.  The difference between the Jesus of the bible and the Muslims, however, is that we Muslims Glorify and Honor GOD Almighty through prostrating to Him at least in 5-daily sets of Prayers everyday.  The Jesus of the corrupt bible on the other hand was a hypocrite who only bowed down to GOD Almighty once during his most desperate times.  Jesus' previous teachings of "prayers" to his followers obviously did not Glorify and Honor GOD Almighty to the fullest, nor did they mean much to Jesus when he desperately needed GOD Almighty.  They were the first to be compromised by him.  Quite ludicrous indeed!

 

 

6-  Abrogation in Adultery punishment in the Bible!


According to the Mosaic Law, the punishment for adultery and coveting your neighbor's wife is death:

"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman MUST DIE.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:22)"

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.  (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 20:17)"

 

Let us now look at what David did with his neighbor's wife in the Bible:

"One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the WIFE of Uriah the Hittite?'   Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Samuel 11:2-4)"

 

Here is how David was punished!

2 Samuel 12:7-8
7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! This is what the LORD , the God of Israel, says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.
8 I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
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2 Samuel 12:12-14
12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "
13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD ."   Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.
14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt,
the son born to you will die."


How come David wasn't Commanded to be put to death by GOD Almighty?  Instead, the child died instead of David.  I wonder how the missionaries would've barked about this story if it were in the Noble Quran instead of their X-Rated Pornographic Bible, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates.


The Noble Quran WOULD'VE been "wrong" if Prophet Muhammad INSTEAD was forgiven from such sin!

By the way, our beloved and blessed Prophet NEVER EVER committed any such or similar sin!

 

 

 

 

 

 

We now must ask Shamoun,

Using your standards and absurd logic above, is the GOD of the corrupted bible a liar too?

 

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

The Quran also says that Allah deceived Muslims!

When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them to you as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few in your eyes and He made you to appear little in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, and to Allah are all affairs returned. S. 8:43-44 Shakir

Allah is said to have shown the opposing fighting forces as few to Muhammad since, if he had shown him their actual numbers, the Muslims would have been afraid to fight. Allah had to use deception in order to encourage Muslims to fight in his cause! The late Abdullah Yusuf Ali notes:

The Muslim army, though they knew their worldly disadvantage, did not realise the full odds against them. The Meccans came exulting in any case, and they despised the contemptible little force opposed to them. Even though they thought the Muslim force was twice as great as it was (iii. 13), still this number was contemptible, when taken with its poor equipment. Both these psychological mistakes subserved the main Plan, which was to bring the matter to a decisive issue, whether the Pagans of Mecca were to continue their arrogant oppression, of the religion of God was to be established in freedom and honour. (Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Translation and Commentary, p. 426, fn. 1214; underlined emphasis ours)

The above citations make it clear that Allah, not Yahweh God of the Holy Bible, is the one who lies.

 

 

My response:

Again:

 

We now must ask Shamoun,

Using your standards and absurd logic above, is the GOD of the corrupted bible a liar too?

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

Osama cites a number of passages that show the Holy Spirit came upon people besides the Lord Jesus, and then concludes:

So if Jesus is GOD because the Holy Spirit came upon him, then the others mentioned above should also be GOD Almighty too.

RESPONSE:

It is obvious that Osama is distorting what the actual Christian position is, since we are not aware of any informed Christian, or Christian source, that claims that Jesus is God because the Spirit came upon him. Now Osama can show us our error by producing such a statement.

Even if Osama is able to show that there are Christians who use this argument, or believe this, he would only be proving that there are, unfortunately, some misinformed Christians, as there are misinformed Muslims.

To begin with, Jesus is God since this is what he is by nature. God is not God because he does certain things, or simply because he says so. If God exists (and he does), then he has always existed as God. God’s actions do not make him God, but are the result of him being God. Thus, Jesus’ actions do not make him God, but are the result of Christ being fully God in nature.

 

 

My response:

I've had christians before use this silly argument in their debates with me.  That is why I wrote an article about the Holy Spirit coming down upon people in the bible.  Now, if Jesus was truly GOD Almighty, then he wouldn't need the Holy Spirit to come down unto him to Guide him.   It would be useless and pointless for him to have it, wouldn't it?

In fact, not only Jesus was guided by the Holy Spirit, but also, the Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty was also installed in Jesus:

Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
(Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

 

 

Ironically, Shamoun uttered the following:
"God is not God because he does certain things, or simply because he says so."

 

My response:

"Or simply because he says so"?  Before we see what Jesus in the NT supposedly said regarding GOD Almighty, let me first ask Shamoun:  Who gave you the authority to set this ludicrous standard up anyway?  Ironically, the Old Testament clearly refutes Shamoun's laughable invention about "GOD's Characteristics":

"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 5:9)"

"for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:15)"

"he said to him, "I am the LORD . Tell Pharaoh king of Egypt everything I tell you."  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 6:29)"

"So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, "In the evening you will know that it was the LORD who brought you out of Egypt,   (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 16:6)"

"They will know that I am the LORD their God, who brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am the LORD their God.   (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 29:46)"

"I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.  (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 11:45)"

There are tons and tons of examples that I can provide about GOD Almighty Glorifying Himself and Bragging about Himself in the Old Testament! 

 

So Shamoun's laughable absurdity about "GOD is not GOD because He does Miracles or because He Says so" is soundly debunked in the OT.

 

 

 

Let us now see what Jesus said regarding GOD Almighty.  The Bible's New Testament records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

 

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

 

Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 is the word "alone":    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone".  If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.

 

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's absurdities regarding Mark 10:18 where Jesus said he was not "good".

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

One of the actions resulting from Jesus being God in nature is that Christ pours out the Holy Spirit upon believers. The Lord Jesus gives believers the Holy Spirit for salvation and sanctification, a divine act that God alone can do:

"Now John was clothed with camel's hair and wore a leather belt around his waist and ate locusts and wild honey. And he preached, saying, ‘After me comes he who is mightier than I, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.’ Mark 1:6-8

"Jesus answered her, ‘If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, "Give me a drink," you would have asked him, and HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU LIVING WATER.’ … Jesus said to her, ‘Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I WILL GIVE HIM will never be thirsty forever. The water that I WILL GIVE HIM will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.’" John 4:10, 13-14

The living water that the Lord gives is the Holy Spirit:

"On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, ‘If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."’ Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:37-39

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. … But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:16-17, 26

"But when the Helper comes, whom I WILL SEND TO YOU from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning." John 15:26-27

"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I WILL SEND HIM TO YOU. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15

In these Helper passages, Jesus says that the Father grants the Spirit as a result of Christ’s prayer, on the basis of Jesus’ name or authority. Jesus will therefore return to heaven, and once there, send the Spirit to his followers.

"And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.’" John 20:22-23

Jesus’ breathing on the disciples is reminiscent of God breathing life into the first man:

"then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." Genesis 2:7

 

 

My response:

Part I:

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Guidance and Light.  We all agree on that.   It doesn't make neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit as part of GOD Almighty for having the Holy Spirit being the Spirit of Guidance and Truth.  Again, Allah Almighty Said:

"Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the Spirit (of inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting,-  (The Noble Quran, 40:15)"

"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.  (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"

"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).  (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"

"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:  (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love.  (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"

 

Part II:

The book of man alteration and corruption, the New Testament, is in grave contradiction regarding Jesus.  As I proved with ample evidence from the bible theologians themselves, the bible:

1-  Was written by third-party people who were also mysterious.  It is a fact that the current bible was not written by the Prophets of GOD Almighty.

2-  The translations of the bible today are controversial.

3-  The bible contains both unanswerable textual and logical errors.

4-  In regards to the book of John that Shamoun used above, the book itself was not even written by Saint John himself either.

 

The following links contain the irrefutable proofs and quotes from the bible's theologians themselves and quotes from the bible that prove my claims above:

Errors and History of Contradictions and Corruption in the Bible.

Just who were the real authors of the Bible? Today's Books and Gospels' authors of the Bible are UNKNOWN.  See the comments from the NIV Bible itself!  Also includes detailed refutations and exposing of Paul's lies.  See Paul's section in the article.  It also includes proofs about the New Testament was written in the 4th century by Constantine and his council by their own words.  It wasn't written by Jesus and his original Disciples.

Quotes from NIV Bible theologians, and Roman Catholic Encyclopedia admitting that the Bible had been corrupt and the original manuscripts had been lost.  Also, proofs that it was Constantine and his council who wrote the New Testament with their hands around year 300, not Jesus and his original Disciples.

The lie of 1 John 5:7 later discovered by the Roman Catholics Theologians.

The lie of 1 John 5:7 and 1 Timothy 3:16.

 

 

 

He wrote:

Interestingly, the Quran cites a Christian apocryphal story where Jesus is portrayed as having the very breath of life by which he makes things come alive:

to be a Messenger to the Children of Israel saying, "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it, and it will be a bird, by the leave of God. I will also heal the blind and the leper, and bring to life the dead, by the leave of God. I will inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers." S. 3:49

When God said, "Jesus Son of Mary, remember My blessing upon thee and upon thy mother, when I confirmed thee with the Holy Spirit, to speak to men in the cradle, and of age; and when I taught thee the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel; and when thou createst out of clay, by My leave, as the likeness of a bird, and thou breathest into it, and it is a bird, by My leave; and thou healest the blind and the leper by My leave, and thou bringest the dead forth by My leave; and when restrained from thee the Children of Israel when thou camest unto them with the clear signs, and the unbelievers among them said, "This is nothing but sorcery manifest." S. 5:110

Thus, according to the Quran, the Spirit isn’t the only one who can create like Allah, since Jesus can also!

Approximately ten days after Jesus’ ascension into heaven, the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples of the Lord:

"When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance… ‘This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, HE HAS POURED OUT this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.’" Acts 2:1-4, 32-33

The Lord Jesus performs a work and gives a gift which the OT scriptures say that Yahweh performs and grants:

"For I will pour out water on the thirsty land And streams on the dry ground; I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring And My blessing on your descendants;" Isaiah 44:3

"‘I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ declares the Lord GOD." Ezekiel 39:29

"You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions." Joel 2:27-28

To summarize, Jesus is not God because the Spirit was upon him, nor is he God because he gives the Spirit to believers. Rather, because Jesus is God he is able to give believers the Holy Spirit. Jesus giving the Spirit is a result of him being God, it doesn’t make him God.

Osama can easily refute this by providing a biblical reference where creatures, whether prophets or angels, are able to grant the Holy Spirit to others.

 

 

My response:

Part I:

First of all, Jesus created nothing!  He raised an already created dead human body from the dead, and made a bird through mud.  But this was all done through the Command and Will of GOD Almighty.  It is important to know that ABSOLUTELY none of Jesus' miracles were unique.  Others in the Old Testament are recorded to have done the same exact miracles:

From http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm:

"It is not fitting for a man that God should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with God's permission, what God wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise.  (The Noble Quran, 42:51)"

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Bringing the dead back to life:

"Then he cried out to the LORD , "O LORD my God, have you brought tragedy also upon this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die?"  Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried to the LORD , "O LORD my God, let this boy's life return to him!"  The LORD heard Elijah's cry, and the boy's life returned to him, and he lived.    Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house.    He gave him to his mother and said, "Look, your son is alive!"   (From the NIV Bible, 1 Kings 17:20-23)"

"But the child's mother said, "As surely as the LORD lives and as you live, I will not leave you." So he got up and followed her.    Gehazi went on ahead and laid the staff on the boy's face, but there was no sound or response. So Gehazi went back to meet Elisha and told him, "The boy has not awakened."  When Elisha reached the house, there was the boy lying dead on his couch.  He went in, shut the door on the two of them and prayed to the LORD.  Then he got on the bed and lay upon the boy, mouth to mouth, eyes to eyes, hands to hands. As he stretched himself out upon him, the boy's body grew warm.  Elisha turned away and walked back and forth in the room and then got on the bed and stretched out upon him once more. The boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes.  Elisha summoned Gehazi and said, "Call the Shunammite." And he did. When she came, he said, "Take your son."  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:30-36)"


Jesus' dead body never caused for any dead to come back to life, but Elisha's did:

"Elisha died and was buried.  Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring.  Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.    Hazael king of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the reign of Jehoahaz.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 13:20-22)"


Creating life:

Jesus only restored life, but never actually created one from scratch.  Moses, however, did create a live snake from a wooden stick:

"Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?"  "A staff," he replied.  The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground."  Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.  Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by the tail."  So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 4:2-4)"


Curing the blind:

"When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. "Oh, my lord, what shall we do?" the servant asked.  "Don't be afraid," the prophet answered. "Those who are with us are more than those who are with them."  And Elisha prayed, "O LORD , open his eyes so he may see." Then the LORD opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.  As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha prayed to the LORD , "Strike these people with blindness." So he struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked.  Elisha told them, "This is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me, and I will lead you to the man you are looking for." And he led them to Samaria.  After they entered the city, Elisha said, "LORD , open the eyes of these men so they can see." Then the LORD opened their eyes and they looked, and there they were, inside Samaria.  When the king of Israel saw them, he asked Elisha, "Shall I kill them, my father? Shall I kill them?"  "Do not kill them," he answered. "Would you kill men you have captured with your own sword or bow? Set food and water before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their master."  So he prepared a great feast for them, and after they had finished eating and drinking, he sent them away, and they returned to their master. So the bands from Aram stopped raiding Israel's territory.  Some time later, Ben-Hadad king of Aram mobilized his entire army and marched up and laid siege to Samaria.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 6:15-24)"


Healing leprosy:

"Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, "Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed."  But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy.  Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage.  Naaman's servants went to him and said, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, 'Wash and be cleansed'!"    So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy.   (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 5:10-14)"


Feeding hundreds with few loafs of bread:

"A man came from Baal Shalishah, bringing the man of God twenty loaves of barley bread baked from the first ripe grain, along with some heads of new grain. "Give it to the people to eat," Elisha said.  "How can I set this before a hundred men?" his servant asked.  But Elisha answered, "Give it to the people to eat. For this is what the LORD says: 'They will eat and have some left over.' "  Then he set it before them, and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the LORD.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:42-44)"

So as we clearly see from the above verses, Jesus' Miracles were not unique.  Therefore, they can never be used to prove that he is the Creator of the Universe.

 

Part II:

In regards to the Holy Spirit "creating", like I mentioned in my first rebuttal:

 

2-  GOD Almighty Created "tools" that He Uses.  These tools are generally simplified and called as "Angels", but there is more to them than just that.  The creation of our human-spirits through the Holy Spirit (as mentioned in the bible and the Noble Quran as shown below) does indeed mean that the Holy Spirit have Great Attributes and Power according to us humans, but it doesn't automatically make it part of GOD Almighty.  Our human-spirits are nothing when compared to GOD Almighty.  They're not even worth a spit when compared to GOD Almighty.  The trinitarians' blasphemous argument is easily refuted, because just because the "tools" that GOD Almighty Created do create us, it doesn't mean that they are GOD Almighty.


Here are some of the tools of GOD Almighty that bring us to existence:

(a)-  The eggs and sperms of the mother and father.  The mother's egg and father's sperm "create" the human flesh.   It's not just the Holy Spirit that "creates" humans.


(b)-  The Holy Spirit blows into our fetus-bodies our human-spirits (life):

"He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay, And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!  (The Noble Quran, 32:7-9)"

As we clearly see in these Noble Verses, Allah Almighty talked about the beginning of the creation of Mankind (starting from Adam peace be upon him) and repeating the cycle to all of us.


(c)-  The material that makes up our human-flesh all comes from our mother earth, through soil and water combined together as the Noble Quran Claimed it and modern science today confirmed it.


Using Shamoun's absurd logic, this makes your parents, the Holy Spirit and our mother earth all as part of GOD Almighty, since ALL OF THEM created you.  

 

Basically in a nutshell, to the polytheist trinitarian pagans, anything that is unseen to our human-eye and has Great Power, must be without doubt GOD Almighty Himself!

Very similar to hinduism.

 

3-  The Holy Spirit is a tool used by GOD Almighty.  It is a Creation by GOD Almighty.  Our spirits like I said above are nothing when compared to GOD Almighty, and hence, the Holy Spirit creating them doesn't mean much.

 

Also:

Allah Almighty can not be defined.  He is a metaphorically (not literally) a Compound One.  He Has:

1-  Hands (Noble Verse 5:64).

2-  Legs and Feet (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 541).

3-  Mouth and Speaks Endless Words (Noble Verses 18:109, 31:27).

4-  Face (Noble Verse 2:272).

5-  Light (Noble Verse 9:32).

6-  Spirit (Noble Verses 32:9, 38:72).


It seems clear that Allah Almighty was Simplifying some of His Holy and Divine Attributes to help us understand Him better.  He may not necessarily have a face, mouth, teeth, hair, legs, feet, rear end, penis, etc... 

 

Our earthly bodies and their characteristics are not Divine.


So to answer Shamoun's absurd comments above about GOD Almighty having a Spirit, yes He definitely Has a metaphoric one (32:9, 38:72), but the comparison itself to our human-spirits is degrading to GOD Almighty.  Our human-spirits are created through the Holy Spirit, and GOD Almighty Himself is fully independent from that:

"When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:30)"

"Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 139:7)"

"Teach me to do your will, for you are my God; may your good Spirit lead me on level ground.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 143:10)"

"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit.  And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!   (The Noble Quran, 32:9)"

"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.  (The Noble Quran, 38:72)"

"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.  (The Noble Quran, 15:29)"

"And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.  (The Noble Quran, 21:91)"

"And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our Spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).  (The Noble Quran, 66:12)"

 

That is why in the end, our spirits along with our bodies will be Judged by GOD Almighty.  Only GOD Almighty can Devastate our spirits in Hell, or Bless them in Heaven.  He is neither part of us nor part of the Holy Spirit:

"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.  (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"

"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).  (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"

"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:  (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love.  (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"

 

 

Our spirits are of the Holy Spirit, not of GOD Almighty.

The Holy Spirit, us, the Angels and everything else ALL WORSHIP GOD Almighty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

 

3-  The Holy Spirit is a Creation of GOD Almighty and it is under Him just like the Angels:

Allah Almighty Said:

"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.  (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"

"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).  (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"

"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:  (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"

RESPONSE:

Again, not one of these passages says that the Spirit is a creation of God. This is merely Osama’s wishful thinking. The Quran does explicitly mention the creation of angels:

Or did We create the angels females, while they were witnesses? S. 37:150

The passage presupposes the creation of angels, that Allah created angels, but didn’t create them as females. But nowhere does it ever say that the Spirit is a creation.

I am assuming that since one of the passages speaks of the Spirit standing in ranks alongside the angels, Osama somehow thinks that he is a creature. The problem for Osama is that if this proves that the Spirit is a creature, than Allah must also be a creature since he will stand in ranks with the angels:

"and thy Lord comes, and the angels rank on rank," S. 89:22

Osama may wish to say that the passage is referring to angels being in ranks, not Allah. Unfortunately for Osama, that is not what the text says since it says that the Lord and the angels will come together in ranks.

Furthermore, the Spirit standing in rank file with the angels, or that he must receive permission, either proves that the Quran contradicts itself regarding the identity of the Spirit, or that the Spirit is subject to Allah. Yet, being subject to Allah doesn’t mean that the Spirit is not God, but that there is a hierarchy of authority amongst these divine entities. In fact, this perfectly comports with the biblical teaching on the Trinity, that the three Persons of God are fully equal in essence but are not necessarily equal in rank or authority. There are levels of authority within the Godhead. Thus, the Quran maybe teaching that between Allah and the Spirit, Allah has authority over his Spirit without this implying that the latter isn’t God also. After all, we find plenty examples where persons who are equal in nature are not necessarily equal in position, i.e. husbands and wives, parents and children, employers and employees, masters and slaves, some angels having authority over other angels etc.

So far, Osama hasn’t proven his position.

 

 

My response:

This is really ridiculous.  It is clear that the polytheist trinitarian pagan is desperate to prove his trinity by all cost.  Allah Almighty doesn't have to mention all of the beings that He Created in the Universe so we can prove that they are created and are not part of Him.  The request itself is the dumbest nonsense I have ever seen!

Let me help the polytheist trinitarian pagan understand the Noble Quran better.  Trinity has no place in Islam!   Allah Almighty is the Ultimate Ruler and Creator of all things.  Everything in this Universe that He Created must in the End come before Him, the Almighty, and bow down to Him:

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love.  (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"

 

And again and again:

"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.  (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"

"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).  (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"

"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:  (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

4- Why can't we call it GOD as trinitarians do?

First of all, it is important to know that satan's biggest lie, trinity, is only an interpretation and a conclusion.  There is not a single text in the Bible that says the Holy Spirit is GOD Almighty, nor does that satanic word, trinity, even exist in the Bible.  People during Constantine's days around year 325, because they were and still are naturally inclined to idol worship, polytheism and paganism as the Far Eastern religions are today, they decided to consider Jesus and the Holy Spirit as GOD Almighty.   Satan's deception and evil is overwhelming and powerful.  It is no surprise that people fell for this lie by the billions throughout history, as many more billions had fell for satan's lies in the Far Eastern pagan religions.  Trinity, like I said, doesn't even exist in the bible.  The word doesn't exist anywhere in the book, nor do we have any text that says Jesus is the Creator of the Universe.  The same also goes for the Holy Spirit.

The reason why Muslims don't call the Holy Spirit as GOD Almighty is because it is just a creation of GOD Almighty with specific and limited duties as I clearly demonstrated above from the Noble Quran.  Like the Angels and the other Universal Spirits, the Holy Spirit is unknown to us and we can't fully describe it.  But nonetheless, this doesn't give anyone the right to start getting colorful and smart and deceive the weak-minded and call it and other creations as GOD Almighty.

I have a long and detailed section that refutes the lie of trinity from the Bible.  It's best if you read it and see the Truth for yourself.

RESPONSE:

Notice how Osama ends up contradicting himself. He says that the Holy Spirit is unknown to him and cannot be fully described, and yet Osama seems to know enough to conclude that the Holy Spirit isn’t God! Osama attacks the idea of the Trinity as a satanic lie, but has failed to refute the biblical evidence proving the Trinity. He blasphemes the true God solely on the basis of his erroneous, unproven assumption that the Trinity cannot be true. We already presented one text that said that the Spirit is God, and here we would like to cite another text which actually identifies the Spirit with Yahweh God:

"Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another." For this comes from the Lord WHO IS THE SPIRIT." 2 Corinthians 3:7-18

Paul is reflecting on Moses’ encounter with Yahweh, where the former had to cover his face from the light which emanated due to his communion with God:

"When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand as he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because he had been talking with God. Aaron and all the people of Israel saw Moses, and behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him. But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the leaders of the congregation returned to him, and Moses talked with them. Afterward all the people of Israel came near, and he commanded them all that the LORD had spoken with him in Mount Sinai. And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face. Whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he would remove the veil, until he came out. And when he came out and told the people of Israel what he was commanded, the people of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face was shining. And Moses would put the veil over his face again, until he went in to speak with him." Exodus 34:29-35

Paul is basically saying that the God whom Moses saw, the Lord who appeared to him was the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Yahweh!

And here, also, are the passages which identify the Lord Jesus as the Creator of the Universe:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men… He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1-4, 10, 14

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:15-17

"but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power… But of the Son he says, … ‘You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.’" Hebrews 1:2-3, 8a, 10-12

Osama further exposes his ignorance regarding Christian history, since the Trinity is not only taught in the Holy Bible, but was already affirmed and articulated in the writings of the Fathers long before Constantine and Nicaea in AD 325! Please go here for the proof:

http://forananswer.org/Top_JW/EarlyChristians.htm
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/apl/jw/ignatius.txt
http://aomin.org/The_Pre_Existence_of_Christ.html
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate5.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/tam_r2.htm

Osama also repeats the very outdated argument that the word Trinity isn’t found in the Bible, as if this somehow means anything or refutes the doctrine. The word Trinity doesn’t have to appear in the Bible in order for the Scriptures to teach what the word implies. Osama’s argument is equivalent to someone saying that just because the precise word Tauhid, does not appear in the Quran, nor its three classifications or subsets (i.e. tauhid al-rububiyyah, tauhid al-uluhiyya or ibaadah, tauhid al-asma wa sifat), this means that the Quran doesn’t teach it.{1}

The real reason why Muslims don't call the Holy Spirit God Almighty is because of the indoctrination and brainwashing they have undergone. Muslims have been deceived by their scholars and Islamic scholarship that Allah is not a plurality of persons, and that the Spirit is not Allah. But the fact is that neither God’s true Word, the Holy Bible, nor the Quran teach that the Spirit is a creation of God Almighty. Both books teach that the Holy Spirit has all the essential attributes of God, with the Bible even going so far as to call the Sprit both God and Lord. Although both books speak of the Spirit being subject to God, neither book say that this makes him like the other creatures such as angels. In fact, unlike the Spirit, angels are said to be creatures of God. And the reason why the Holy Spirit cannot be completely known or fully described is because he is God! Just like God, the Spirit is incomprehensible to our finite minds. There is actually a Muslim who even says this. The late Yusuf Ali, commenting on surah 58:22 regarding the Spirit from God, wrote:

"... Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that God strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by God with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, ‘a spirit from Himself’. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to God, God accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with the DIVINE Spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of God." (Ali, The Meaning of the Holy Quran, p. 1518, fn. 5365; bold and capital emphasis ours) {2}

Yusuf Ali dared to call God’s Spirit Divine!

Thus, Osama’s claims to the contrary do nothing to refute the clear evidence that God’s Spirit is God, while also being personally distinct from God. Osama has no right to start getting colorful and smart and deceive the weak-minded and refuse to address God’s Spirit as God Almighty.

Finally, when you do read his papers do make sure to read the refutations to his gross distortions:

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/index.htm

 

 

 

My response:

Part I:

I am glad that Shamoun said the following nonsense:

"Notice how Osama ends up contradicting himself. He says that the Holy Spirit is unknown to him and cannot be fully described, and yet Osama seems to know enough to conclude that the Holy Spirit isn’t God!"


This proves my claim when I said in my previous rebuttal:

 

To the polytheist trinitarian pagans, anything that can not be seen by our human-eyes and has power must be GOD Almighty Himself!  Hilarious indeed!

 

Now in regards to Abdallah Yusuf Ali's translation, again, this shows and proves how desperate the polytheist trinitarian pagan really is to prove the trinity lie.   Abdallah Yusuf Ali never claimed that GOD Almighty is a trinity or that the Holy Spirit is part of Him.

 

YES, the Holy Spirit is "Divine" (angelic, spiritual, heavenly) in the sense that it creates our spirits.  We come from It.  But GOD Almighty, however, is fully independent from any and all of the entities that exist in the Universe, including it!  It is only Shamoun's hopeless interpretations and deception that suggest that GOD Almighty is three:

"God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48)"

"They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.  (The Noble Quran, 5:73)"

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.  (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)!   Come to common terms as between us and you:  That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.'  If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).'  (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

 

Part II:

As to the link he provided above that contains "responses" to a select few of my articles, the reader should visit my main section of rebuttals that contains 500 rebuttals and responses, as of today, Saturday April 2, 2005.  In this section, I've obliterated most of Shamoun's absurd articles along with several other anti-Islam authors, and the list is only growing.

 

 

Part III:

Now in regards to the absurd quotes from the books of Paul that Shamoun quoted above, Paul had been proven to be the biggest liar in the lie of the new testament.  The following links contain ample evidence of his forgeries and blasphemy:


This is my favorite one:

Paul nullified and contradicted the point of Baptism.  Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy" is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty.  It also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.

 

 

Exposing Paul's Lies
The Noble Quran on Paul and his likes:

"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.  (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!"  (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"

 

GOD's stupidity is smarter than all of us???

How can you say that the Bible has corruption in it when Saint Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16 clearly said that "All Scripture is God-breathed"?

Paul nullified and contradicted the point of Baptism.  Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy" is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty.  It also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Demonstrating how Paul's writings nullify Osama's desperate attempts to finding Bible Contradictions" article.

The Anti-Christ Paul.  (By a new convert to Islam)
-  Part II.

Paul the Corrupter.  (Also, by a new convert to Islam)

The Romantic Origins of Christianity.  (Also, by a new convert to Islam)

Paul Versus the Disciples.

Paul Contradicts himself.

The Problem with Paul.

Paul's Strange Law.

Paul’s idea of marriage.

The Jews did kill Jesus according to Paul.


PAUL, the self-appointed Prophet, was proven to be a deceiver who contradicted the teachings of Jesus and mocked the Law of Moses.

Are these Paul's words or GOD Almighty's Divine Revelations????

Paul of Tarsus: The Clear-Cut Hypocrite

The Problem of Paul Regarding Esau

The Problem of Paul

Paul of Tarsus: The False Apostle According to Islam

'The Apocryphal Books of Elijah' & Paul

Epimenides Paradox: Was Paul "Inspired"?

Paul's Dependency on Talmudic Writings: Evidence of New Testament Borrowing

Paul and The 'Inspiration' of Scripture

The Influence of the Pauline Epistles Upon The Gospels of The New Testament: Study and Criticism


Famous Theologians and Historians believe that Paul was not truthful.

Is circumcision allowed or not allowed in the Bible?  See the clear contradiction between Jesus and Paul.

Paul contradicted himself regarding the women's head covering.

Paul, Peter and John are in clear contradiction with each others regarding the disbelieving husbands to believing wives!

My response to Sam Shamoun's rebuttal to my article "Paul, Peter and John are in clear contradiction with each others regarding the disbelieving husbands to believing wives!".

The authors of the New Testament have conflicts (hostility) with each others.  How about for Paul to punch Peter on the face??  That would've been "inspired", wouldn't it?

Jesus (peace be upon him), Paul and the Christian Church.

What Did Paul Want To Know About Jesus?

Paul Broke The Covenant Of God.

Who's Gospel Is Paul Preaching?

Was Paul A Deceiver?

Rebuttal To Sam Shamoun’s Article “To Deceive Or Not To Deceive”.

Where Is This Promise Paul Is Referring To?

Why was Paul prosecuted?

Why is Paul still giving offerings?

Paul's View of Genealogies.

Does The Quran Affirm The Teachings Of Paul: Christian Missionary's Use Of Surah 61:14.


 

 

 

He wrote:

Osama continues:

Also, it seems clear that the Bible has several types of Universal Spirits, or Holy Spirits.  For instance, we see a prediction about the "Spirit of Fearing GOD" being installed in the coming Prophet, Jesus:

Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
(Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

1-  Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

2-  Spirit of Counsel and of power.

3-  Spirit of Knowledge.

4-  Spirit of the fear of the LORD.

Also, verses above say "and he will delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him.  I have ample detailed refutations to the lie of trinity on my site.  You can further see them to clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or trinity as satan claims.

RESPONSE:

Osama is seriously confused since the text he cites clearly identifies the Spirit of the fear of the Lord etc. as God’s Spirit. The passage is not saying that there are different spirits, but that the one Spirit of God is able to grant different gifts and qualities to believers. God’s Spirit is able to produce reverence in a believer’s heart, and can also grant wisdom, understanding etc. This passage is basically echoing what the following NT citation teaches:

"Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says ‘Jesus is accursed!’ and no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the SAME Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by ONE AND THE SAME Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in ONE Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of ONE Spirit. For the body does not consist of one member but of many." 1 Corinthians 12:3-14

That the same Spirit of God is able to equip all believers with different gifts of ministry is another proof of his Deity. The Spirit must be all-powerful and present everywhere for him to be able to equip all the believers wherever they are at.

For the refutation of Osama’s claim that Isaiah 11:1-2 refutes the Deity of the Lord Jesus, please read the following articles:

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/mantras.htm

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/jeremiah23_r.htm

The second link is part one of a two-part rebuttal, with the second part to appear soon, Lord Jesus willing.

 

 

My response:

Notice how Shamoun is trying to answer away the obvious knock-out to his trinity lie.   The "Spirit of Fearing the LORD" is as clear as it gets!  Jesus had the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him.  This proves along with the ample other proofs that Jesus is not part of GOD Almighty.

Now in regards to the two links he provided above, I have blown them away along with most of his articles at:  Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.

The direct rebuttals to the above two links are:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_god_rebuttal.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_god_rebuttal2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jeremiah23_rebuttal.htm

The reader should also visit my main section of rebuttals that contains 500 rebuttals and responses as of today, Saturday April 2, 2005.  In this section, I've obliterated most of Shamoun's absurd articles along with several other anti-Islam authors, and the list is only growing.

 

Also, again, Shamoun quotes from Paul's books.  Paul had been proven not only to be a liar and full of contradictions and even hostility with the disciples of Jesus, but also full of contradictions with the Old Testament as well:

The authors of the New Testament have conflicts (hostility) with each others.

Paul nullified and contradicted the point of Baptism.  Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy" is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty.  It also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.

 

Again, exposing Paul's Lies
The Noble Quran on Paul and his likes:

"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.  (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!"  (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"

 

GOD's stupidity is smarter than all of us???

How can you say that the Bible has corruption in it when Saint Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16 clearly said that "All Scripture is God-breathed"?

Paul nullified and contradicted the point of Baptism.  Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy" is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty.  It also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Demonstrating how Paul's writings nullify Osama's desperate attempts to finding Bible Contradictions" article.

The Anti-Christ Paul.  (By a new convert to Islam)
-  Part II.

Paul the Corrupter.  (Also, by a new convert to Islam)

The Romantic Origins of Christianity.  (Also, by a new convert to Islam)

Paul Versus the Disciples.

Paul Contradicts himself.

The Problem with Paul.

Paul's Strange Law.

Paul’s idea of marriage.

The Jews did kill Jesus according to Paul.


PAUL, the self-appointed Prophet, was proven to be a deceiver who contradicted the teachings of Jesus and mocked the Law of Moses.

Are these Paul's words or GOD Almighty's Divine Revelations????

Paul of Tarsus: The Clear-Cut Hypocrite

The Problem of Paul Regarding Esau

The Problem of Paul

Paul of Tarsus: The False Apostle According to Islam

'The Apocryphal Books of Elijah' & Paul

Epimenides Paradox: Was Paul "Inspired"?

Paul's Dependency on Talmudic Writings: Evidence of New Testament Borrowing

Paul and The 'Inspiration' of Scripture

The Influence of the Pauline Epistles Upon The Gospels of The New Testament: Study and Criticism


Famous Theologians and Historians believe that Paul was not truthful.

Is circumcision allowed or not allowed in the Bible?  See the clear contradiction between Jesus and Paul.

Paul contradicted himself regarding the women's head covering.

Paul, Peter and John are in clear contradiction with each others regarding the disbelieving husbands to believing wives!

My response to Sam Shamoun's rebuttal to my article "Paul, Peter and John are in clear contradiction with each others regarding the disbelieving husbands to believing wives!".

The authors of the New Testament have conflicts (hostility) with each others.  How about for Paul to punch Peter on the face??  That would've been "inspired", wouldn't it?

Jesus (peace be upon him), Paul and the Christian Church.

What Did Paul Want To Know About Jesus?

Paul Broke The Covenant Of God.

Who's Gospel Is Paul Preaching?

Was Paul A Deceiver?

Rebuttal To Sam Shamoun’s Article “To Deceive Or Not To Deceive”.

Where Is This Promise Paul Is Referring To?

Why was Paul prosecuted?

Why is Paul still giving offerings?

Paul's View of Genealogies.

Does The Quran Affirm The Teachings Of Paul: Christian Missionary's Use Of Surah 61:14.


 

 

 

He wrote:

Osama:

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

 

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!

I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Ironically, it is like having this scenario:

Q.  Show me where John Doe said that he was not the President of the United States!  Show me the quote now!!

A.  He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)


Jesus said he was not good.  He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I am not good.  The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian pagans are living in.

Jesus is not GOD!  The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS about Himself!  He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt", and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh", etc...  Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.

Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he, for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod!   The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD Almighty.

RESPONSE:

We have already addressed Mark 10:18 to see what it really means within its intended context, so we ask that our readers go here for the answer: http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_only_god_good.htm

Furthermore, how does God commanding Joseph to take the baby Jesus to Egypt in order to spare his life from Herod disprove that Christ is God? If anything, wouldn’t this show that he is God since even as an infant no one could take his life away from him? Using Osama’s logic, wouldn’t this prove that Yahweh couldn’t be God either, since he caused Moses’ mother to place him in an ark in order to be saved from Pharaoh’s edict that all male babies must be killed? Osama seems to want to play the role of an ignoramus since he knows full well that God often saves the life of his servants by having them flee from the risk of violence and death. In fact, it was directly due to God’s supernatural intervention that Joseph knew to escape to Egypt in order to save the young child’s life:

"Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, ‘Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him.’ So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt." Matthew 2:13-14

What would we then say about Allah and Muhammad? According to Muslim sources, Muhammad ran away from a few people in Mecca who intended to kill him. On the night he fled from Mecca to Medina, he even had his own son-in-law and first cousin, Ali, pretend to be him and sleep in his bed in order to make the Meccans think that Muhammad was still in his house. In other words, Muhammad risked the life of Ali instead of risking his own life, showing that Ali, who was much younger than Muhammad, had more courage than his own prophet! Unlike Muhammad, Ali was willing to die for his prophet and his god. Who can believe that this is a true prophet? If Muhammad had truly been the most important prophet of God, then God would have given him power to face his opponents, and would not have allowed his prophet to run away by using deceptive means to save his life.

In light of Osama’s skewed logic, this leaves us with one of two options. Either Allah didn’t have the ability and power to save Muhammad from the threat of his enemies, and therefore needed his prophet to use deception to spare his life. Or Muhammad lacked true faith in the power of his god to save him.

We also need to correct Osama’s distortion of the Bible. God doesn’t boast about who he is, but he simply states the facts about himself and his acts. One of the characteristics of the true God is that he is humble and meek:

"The LORD is near to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit." Psalm 34:18

"For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: ‘I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite." Isaiah 57:15

"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

Allah is the snide and proud boaster since one of his names happens to be "al-mutakabbir," the prideful or most proud:

He is the One GOD; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Proud (al-mutakabbiru). GOD be glorified; far above having partners. S. 59:23

The late, great Samuel Zwemer noted:

10. El-Mutakabbir - The Proud. This word when used of a human being always implies haughtiness, and Zamakhshari defines it (Surah 59:23), "Supreme in pride and greatness or the One who is haughty above the wickedness of his slaves." (Zwemer, "The Ninety-Nine Names of Allah," The Moslem Doctrine of God, Chapter III, p. 37; online edition)

According to the Holy Bible, pride or conceit is a quality of Satan, something which God hates:

"Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will not be unpunished." Proverbs 16:5

"He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil." 1 Timothy 3:6-7

Thus, according to the Holy Bible, Allah exhibits two of the qualities of Satan, pride and deception (Cf. John 8:44).

 

 

 

My response:

Notice how Shamoun again tries desperately to answer away another serious knock-out to his trinity lie.  Notice how he tries to simplify Jesus, while he was a young boy/kid, running away to Egypt.

I definitely would not call the human-Prophet, Jesus, as a liar (as a Muslim I do believe he a Prophet of GOD Almighty) because he ran away to Egypt.  Humans and humans and their natural fears and instinct can be understood.  If they're Prophets, many Prophets before them were killed:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"

"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!  (The Noble Quran, 2:87)"

"And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of God. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of God and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing.  (The Noble Quran, 2:61)"

"As to those who deny the Signs of God and in defiance of right, slay the prophets, and slay those who teach just dealing with mankind, announce to them a grievous penalty.  (The Noble Quran, 3:21)"

"God hath heard the taunt of those who say: "Truly, God is indigent and we are rich!"- We shall certainly record their word and (their act) of slaying the prophets in defiance of right, and We shall say: "Taste ye the penalty of the Scorching Fire!  (The Noble Quran, 3:181)"

 

So it is ok and humanly natural for them to fear for their lives.

 

But when the polytheist trinitarian pagans call Jesus GOD, then the matter becomes different.  It now becomes necessary to judge Jesus on GOD Almighty's Standards to see if he is truly the Creator of the Universe or not. 

 

Jesus running away to Egypt with his mother proves:

1-  Jesus is not the Creator of the Universe.

2-  Mary, who is worshipped by the Roman Catholics, also can not be a GODDESS or the "mother of GOD"

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

5-  The miracle of Adam's creation is far greater than Jesus' creation!

It is often said by trinitarians that Jesus' miraculous birth is a clear proof that he is the Creator of the Universe.  I often hear this absurd nonsense and easily refute it by presenting Adam's creation.  Adam was created in a much more complex Miracle than Jesus.  At least Jesus had to be formed as a fetus in a woman's womb.  Yes she was virgin when GOD Almighty caused her to get pregnant, but nonetheless, Jesus had to be formed as a fetus in a human womb like you and me.

Adam on the other hand and Eve also were created in a much more complex Miracle.   Adam was created vitually [sic] out of nothing.  Eve, his wife, was created from his rib.  These two Miracles are far greater than Jesus' birth.

So the absurd claim about Jesus' birth proving that he is GOD Almighty is soundly debunked through simple common sense.

Also please visit:  None of Jesus' Miracles were unique either.

RESPONSE:

Osama’s appeal to the creation of Adam and Eve to offset Jesus’ unique conception does very little to refute Christian claims. In the first place, Adam was the first man created and could not have been born from either a man or a woman. His creation was a result of the circumstances in which he was born. Likewise, Eve was the first woman created, and so could not have been born from a woman.

The Lord Jesus was different. Whereas Adam and Eve were the first set of humans and could not have entered life through the normal process of sexual reproduction, this was not the case with the Lord Jesus. Sexual reproduction had already been set into motion by God when Christ was conceived supernaturally, so the question remains why was it necessary for Jesus to be born of a virgin? The Quran fails to answer the question, whereas the Holy Bible gives us the reason:

"And Mary said to the angel, ‘How can this be since I have no husband?’ And the angel said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most high will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.’" Luke 1:34-35

Jesus’ conception from the blessed virgin Mary was because he is the holy Son of God. Lest Osama misunderstand our point, or tries to deliberately twist our words, we are not saying that the virgin birth makes Jesus the Son of God. On the contrary, it is because Jesus is the Son of God that he was born from the virgin. The virgin birth was the way God deemed fitting for his beloved and eternal Son to enter into time and space in order to become a man.

So our questions to Osama are these:

Please explain why Jesus was born from a virgin.

Further explain why did God choose him to be born of a virgin as opposed to some other prophet.

Also please read our refutation of Osama’s paper: http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/badawi-jesus.htm

 

 

 

My response:

I can't answer why GOD Almighty chose for Jesus to be born from a virgin.  I am not GOD Almighty and I can't speak on His Behalf.  GOD Almighty Caused for so many Miracles and Wonders to happen.  Jesus' birth doesn't prove anything other than the fact that he had Miracles.  Like I mentioned and clearly proved above from the bible, none of Jesus' miracles were unique.

Also, Jesus in so many instances was recorded proving that he was nothing when compared to GOD Almighty.  I provided the evidence above in this article.  Jesus was no more than a human being and a Prophet, and his miraculous birth was only GOD Almighty's Choice:

"The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.   (The Noble Quran, 3:59)"


Also, if we were to take Shamoun's absurd logic about Jesus being GOD Almighty because he was born out of a virgin, then we must also take the "Holy Family Trinity" as truth, since this would also make this *lucky* virgin as part of GOD too.

 

Is Mary also your GOD Shamoun?

 

 

Also, Shamoun, the careless writer, and liar wrote:

"Also please read our refutation of Osama’s paper: http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/badawi-jesus.htm"

 

My response:

His paper was not even concerned with any of my articles on my site!  Yet, he called it "our refutation of Osama's paper". 

I know it is a side and probably an irrelevant point, but I just wanted to show the reader how Shamoun would do anything and everything to prove his lies!

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

6-  Conclusion:

In the light of the Quranic Noble Verses and the Biblical verses above, the Holy Spirit is in no way GOD Almighty Himself.  To say the least regarding Islam, the lie of trinity and/or duality of GOD Almighty in Islam does not exist, and it had been soundly debunked throughout this article!  The Christian missionaries' new lies and tactics about introducing trinity in Islam's Doctrines has been exposed in this article through the Will and Wisdom of Allah Almighty.  All Praise due to Him.

As I demonstrated above using the Noble Quran, the Holy Spirit is only a Creation from GOD Almighty, and it has specific duties assigned to it.  Also in the Day of Judgement, the Holy Spirit and the Angels will be standing before GOD Almighty waiting for His Divine Orders and Commands, which indisputably proves that the Holy Spirit is below Allah Almighty and is in no way part of Him.

Conclusion

In the light of our response, we must say that Osama fell short of disproving that the Holy Spirit is God Almighty Himself. His attempt of disproving that Islam teaches that Allah is a duality has been soundly debunked throughout our article! The Muslim dawagandists’ new lies and tactics used to cover up Islam’s clear teachings that Allah is more than one Person, or that the Quran teaches that there is more than one god, have been exposed in this article by the sovereign grace and mercy of the Almighty Triune God of the Holy Bible, Yahweh of hosts. All Praise is due to Him alone.

As we demonstrated above by using the Quran, the Holy Spirit cannot be a creation from God Almighty, since the specific duties assigned to him proves beyond any reasonable doubt that he is God. Also on the Day of Judgment, just because the Holy Spirit and the Angels will be standing before God Almighty awaiting His divine orders and commands doesn’t mean that the Spirit is not God. The most this proves is that either the Quran is confused and contradictory or that the Holy Spirit is subject to Allah. If the latter position is taken, then those passages only prove that Allah exists as a plurality of persons who are subject to one another. But since the Quran teaches that all these persons are truly God in nature than their subjection to each other does not imply that they are not all fully God. Osama has confused nature with authority, erroneously assuming that subjection to another must imply an inferiority of essence. He seems to have never realized that one can be subject to another without this meaning that the two entities are not equal in essence.

Finally, our pointing out that the Quran teaches that Allah’s Spirit is God doesn’t mean that we are endorsing the belief that Allah is the same Triune God revealed in the Holy Bible. We are only trying to show through this that the Muslim claim that Allah is a singularity, that the Muslim god exists as only one single Person, is not substantiated by the teachings of the Quran.


Notes

{1} The Quran not only doesn't ever use the word Tauhid, or explicitly mention the names of the three subsets of Tauhid, it doesn't even teach such a concept of God at all! The Muslim conception of Tauhid is supposed to rule out the belief that the one God exists in a plurality of Persons. But, as we demonstrated in this paper, that is not what the Quran teaches. It may be that a Muslim can say that Tauhid speaks against embracing others, besides the one God, as God. But since the Spirit is not a creature, nor is he someone other than God, than the concept of Tauhid does not rule out believing in the Spirit's Deity. This would be comparable to the biblical teaching on the Trinity; that since the biblical doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three distinct Persons of the Godhead are not separate beings, or individual gods, or creatures, to therefore worship them as God is not a violation of true monotheism. To worship others besides the one true God would be violating pure monotheism.

{2} In some more recent versions of Yusuf Ali's English translation, the notes have been changed (more like tampered with), in an obvious attempt of making Ali sound more in line with a perceived orthodoxy. For instance, compare the version of Ali's quote which we presented with the following CD Rom version of his commentary:

"... Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that ALLAH strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by ALLAH. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, 'a spirit from Himself'. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to ALLAH, ALLAH accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with HIS HELP, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of ALLAH." (ALIM CD-ROM Version; capital emphasis ours)

This version of Ali's commentary has changed God to Allah, and divine Spirit to his help, as well as omitting the words, "with the holy spirit" from the clause, "strengthened by Allah."

The Muslims obviously had a hard time with Ali calling God's Spirit divine, or with his claim that believers are strengthened with the holy spirit. Such editing is not unusual for Muslims, and for more examples of this kind we recommend reading the following articles:

http://www.mostmerciful.com/savelife-of-aminalawal-part2.htm
http://al-islam.org/tahrif/yusufali/index.htm

 

 

My response:

Part I:

Once again, and as I mentioned in my previous rebuttal:

In the light of all of the evidence that I provided above from both the Noble Quran and the Bible, it is beyond doubt that the Holy Spirit is:

1-  A Creation of GOD Almighty.

2-  Works only under the Command of GOD Almighty.

3-  Is under GOD Almighty and is not part of Him.


Anything else beyond this is clear blasphemy!

 

 

Part II:

In regards to his "notes" above:

Note #1 is nothing but clear absurdity that had fully refuted throughout this rebuttal and the previous one and all of my Answering trinity ones.

Note #2 - Minister Abdullah Yusuf Ali and the rest of the English translators of the Noble Quran come up with different, revised and improved versions.  It is normal to see modifications and/or changes in language and style in the newer versions of books.

Shamoun is trying to create the lie and believe it too.  He is trying to convince the reader that a major turmoil occurred from Abdullah Yusuf Ali's initial translation and that he had to change it right away.  Typos, errors and mis-words always happen, especially when one deals with extremely large books with very complex, I mean really complex, language like the Arabic Noble Quran.

Also, all Shamoun could do to back up his turmoil-lie is to provide links to two articles from two Muslim web sites written by two normal individuals, WHO, LIKE ME, DON'T EVEN EXIST IN THE WORLD OF Noble Quran translating-scholars.  I don't mean this to be insulting to the two brothers in anyway, but rather, to show the reader just how desperate and how ridiculous Sam Shamoun and his hallucinations are.

 

By the way, neither one of the articles talks about Shamoun's "Divine" point above!

 

They're only talking about general points, so of similar but definitely nothing like the bible's variant and faith-shaking (some undermine the trinity lie) contradicting translations and interpretations.  See section #3 in the link for ample evidence.

 

 

The different "Canons" of the Bible!

Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

 

 

Part III:

Like I mentioned above:

YES, the Holy Spirit is "Divine" (angelic, spiritual, heavenly) in the sense that it creates our spirits.  We come from It.  But GOD Almighty, however, is fully independent from any and all of the entities that exist in the Universe, including it!  It is only Shamoun's hopeless interpretations and deception that suggest that GOD Almighty is three:

"God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48)"

"They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.  (The Noble Quran, 5:73)"

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.  (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love.  (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"

"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.  (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"

"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).  (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"

"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:  (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.

What is the Role of the Holy Spirit in Islam? Why can't we call it GOD?

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Examining the Evidence which proves that the Spirit is God" blasphemous article.

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "A Brief Rebuttal to Anti-Missionary Attacks on the Trinity" article.

Ask me any question section.

Errors and History of Contradictions and Corruption in the Bible.

Christians are Commanded to follow the Old Testament.

Allah, Islam, Quran, Muhammad questions and answers.

What is the place of Jews, Christians and non-Muslims in Islam?

Answering Trinity.

"Allah" was GOD Almighty's Original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.


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