Mary: Fornicate with you "in my mother's bed"
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My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "The Quran and Lesbianism: An open challenge to Osama Abdallah" article:
The following is my rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's article that is located at: http://www../Responses/Osama/lesbian.htm.
He wrote:
AN OPEN CHALLENGE TO OSAMA ABDALLAH
Some readers may wonder why we even bother to discuss the question of whether or not the Quran condemns lesbian acts. The relevancy of the issue goes beyond merely responding to one misguided attack on us by Osama Abdallah. This will become clear in the last section of this article, the concluding remarks.
My response:
Before we start, I'd like to ask the reader to visit: Where in the Bible is lesbianism prohibited? I proved from Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy1:10, Romans 1:18-32, Deuteronomy 23:17, Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus 20:16 that lesbianism is totally condoned in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Also see the pornography:
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Bibles' Glorified
incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend
fornications:
Song of Solomon 3:4
Song of Solomon 7:10-12
Little sister & mom's bed:
Song of Songs 8:8-9
Song of Songs 8:8
What shall you (plural) do with
your little sister and her
little breasts? Let me
guess: Deflower her in your mentioned mother's bed?
The verse indeed calls for incest rape. Here is the more accurate translation: Song of Songs 8:8 Our sister is little, and hath no breasts. What shall we do to our sister before the day she marries? The gospel of porn's slang translation: Our little sister (many Christians consider this pornographic book to be about the virgin Mary [2]) is increasingly becoming more and more sexually attractive, and her breasts (the more honest translation to what the praised perverts really meant is: boobs or tits) are beginning to bulge. What must we do to our sister before she gets married off and deflowered by some husband? We are running out of time!!
That is why I asked above:
Deflower
her in your mentioned
mother's bed?! The alcohol-less Baptist is greater than Jesus: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, was greater than Jesus. The NT calls Jesus a fat drunk "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34). Jesus was addicted to alcohol: winebibber a habitual drinker of alcohol.
High Concentrations and Intoxication: Yahweh despised Jesus' wisdom: Luke 1:15 So according to the New Testament itself, we have: 1- John the baptist.
Woke is evil Israel's invention; from the same satanic cesspool: 
 Woke is one of Israel's lies. 9/11 is 100% an Israeli lie.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. 
Watch the video here. Sam Shamoun exposes the sex scandals of many inside his inner circle.
Their sister's vagina tastes like "wine": [1] AUDIO clip. (Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9). The Bible praises, and even promotes, incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornications: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. Notice "no one would criticize me" (Song of Songs 8:1), above. A husband and wife, or even a brother and sister, would not be criticized if people saw them walking to their home. Clearly, this is not a husband and wife relationship. And this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??
Praised Incest:
If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:
Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Also Visit:
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit. Mankind multiplied via cloning from Adam, not incest [1]: Evidence that Allah Almighty created the People of Adam through Cloning. (html backup). Another STUNNING Scientific Claim from Islam.Earth Cloning: Evidence from the Quran that Allah Almighty Created the 7 Heavens and all of their Earths from Cloning. See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy: 
www.google.com/search?q=What+are+all+the+pronouns+used+by+Lgbtq
The links above are for LGBTQ pronouns.
Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.
Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.
Masturbating on his sister: Now let me ask the horny creep in Song of Songs 8:8-9. How many times have you already masturbated on your sister in your thoughts? And did you also fantasize about your mother and her bed? Again, this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??
Fabricating books: Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
Bride is not wife: In the Middle East, there is no "boyfriend" and "girlfriend". If two are spoken of, or if two fall in love and want to get married, then the guy would call her his bride. This is close enough to a fiance. So in this gospel of porn, when he calls her his "bride", he's not calling her his wife as the barking sodomized-by-their-priests proclaim. It's a relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend. "Bride" is a Semitic language metaphor. In this gospel of porn, it is referring to his girlfriend. In the chaste world of Islam, a wife is one who had sexual intercourse with her husband. She now changed from being a bride to a wife. A bride has not yet had sex with her groom. They have not yet married. Song of Songs 4:8-12 Visit the following X-Rated pornography in the Bible article to see ample verses that thoroughly demonstrate that they were incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornicators:
Is the Bible a womanizer for allowing polygamy in NT and OT? [1] Some amazing Bible thumping quacks declare Islam a womanizing religion for allowing polygamy for up to four wives, while polygamy has no limits in the OT and NT:
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Now, to any knowledgeable person in Islamic studies, and to any person who knows just how
strict and conservative the Divine and Truthful Religion of Islam regarding chastity and
prohibition of lust, fornication, adultery and homosexuality, it becomes quite apparent to
the person that Sam Shamoun is a hopeless case. He strives
on writing gibberish and desperate nonsense that only occupies space without really
providing any real Truth what so ever.
The following response will be divided into the following sections:
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam.
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste.
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam:
To any person with the least atom of a brain, the following Noble Verses clearly refute his lie regarding Islam allegedly allowing lesbianism or homosexuality in general:
"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. (The Noble Quran, 4:15)" If the lesbian woman or women repent, then she or they would be set free. See proof.
"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:16)" The punishment is 100 stripes. See proof.
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (The Noble Quran, 7:81)"
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"Let no (Muslim) man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a (Muslim) woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever (pagan woman): nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:3-5)"
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
"(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? (The Noble Quran, 27:54)"
"A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, 24:1-2)"
"Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (The Noble Quran, 17:32)"
"O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 60:12)"
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste:
Chastity in Islam is well defined in the Noble Quran. It is not just limited to sexual intercourse. It includes everything that deals with and promotes sex and sexual excitement! Talking loose, flirting, dressing inappropriately, promoting sexual and evil thoughts in the society are all condemned in the Noble Quran:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. (The Noble Quran, 24:31)"
"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)""If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(The Noble Quran, 4:25)""Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). (The Noble Quran, 5:5)"
"She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (The Noble Quran, 19:20)"
"O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste! (The Noble Quran, 19:28)"
"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- (The Noble Quran, 24:4)"
"Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty,- (The Noble Quran, 24:23)"
There are few important points to notice here, especially in Noble
Verse 24:31 above:
1- Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslim women to look down when approaching men and to guard their modesty.
2- They must cover their bodies and only reveal their beauty to their husbands and few other relatives.
3- Out of stranger males, they can only uncover their hair in front of little children who "have no sense of the shame of sex".
4- Women can not "strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments." In other words, do not flirt!
I think point #3 pretty much sums it all up!
The fact, from among stranger males, that women can only display the parts of their bodies that are above the shoulders to little children who don't know anything about sex, PROVES without doubt that lesbianism is illegal in Islam.
The sick pornographic and polytheist trinitarian pagan's point, Sam Shamoun that is, is simply that since lesbians' sex is not done by uniting the penis and the vagina together, or by inserting the penis into a vagina, then Islamically it is not forbidden. Since the two women would obviously have only vaginas, and since the Christian Western made "porn toys" didn't exist 1500 years ago, then to pornographic bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", sex between the two women in all its forms is legal.
What this pornographic polytheist trinitarian pagan doesn't realize is that the "shame of sex" that Allah Almighty talked about regarding the little boys, it would obviously include a condemnation of the two women having an inappropriate relationship with each others, even including just a loose and flirty talk directed at each others (See also Isaiah 1:9-17: Yahweh called Israel Sodom, because it spreads evil and is unjust). Let alone having a physical sexual relationship.
Can not see the nakedness of others:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. This is perfectly summed up in this Noble Verse:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
And to answer Sam Shamoun's silly points regarding lesbianism:
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Doesn't "a woman should not see the private parts of another woman" soundly debunk your trash? |
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The Prophet's Commands are
a must to follow
according to the Noble Quran: The authentic Sunnah (the way the Prophet lived) and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. There are ample Noble Verses in the Noble Quran that Command the Muslims to follow not only the Noble Quran, but also the Commands of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: "O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)" "God did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of God, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error. (The Noble Quran, 3:164)" "Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. (The Noble Quran, 5:92)" "(We sent) clear proofs and the scriptures. Now, We have sent you this reminder (Quran) so that you may demonstrate the revelations to them. Perhaps they may reflect and ponder! (The Noble Quran, 16:44)" "When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)" "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (The Noble Quran, 7:157)" "Say: "Obey God, and obey the Apostle: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Apostle's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)""So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey the Apostle; that ye may receive mercy. (The Noble Quran, 24:56)""Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God. (The Noble Quran, 33:21)""It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (The Noble Quran, 33:36)""The Day that their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire, they will say: "Woe to us! Would that we had obeyed God and obeyed the Apostle!" (The Noble Quran, 33:66)""It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;- (The Noble Quran, 62:2)""So obey God, and obey His Apostle: but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Apostle is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. (The Noble Quran, 64:12)"Most of these Noble Verses were taken
from
Combat Kit To
Use Against the "Quran Only" Muslims. |
The whole point of the veil is not just to have a scarf covering the woman. It also includes living a chaste and a non-loose and non-flirty life! That is why Allah Almighty even prevented women from striking their feet on the ground to make noise that would draw attention to them, so that men would think that they are trying to draw inappropriate attention to them, such as flirting, as shown in point #4 above.
And it's not just women who are Commanded to live a Chaste life. Men too are Commanded to live it, and to avoid causing evil in the society in all ways. This is mentioned in Noble Verse 33:35 above.
Women by nature can very dangerous, just as men by nature can be extremely brainless and stupid when they're sexually too high. Perhaps that is why we see much emphasis on women's' appearances than men in the Noble Quran. To men, a decent shirt and decent pants would do just fine as far as the outside "Chaste" looks are concerned. But to women, it can get much more complicated.
So to prevent some women from abusing their natural and magical beauty and attraction to men, Allah Almighty made it compulsory upon them to cover up, so that they won't eventually become satan's tools to destroy the Chastity of the Muslim society, as it is the case with the pornographic and sexually open christian societies today! Their women have no problem exposing 99% of their bodies through wearing bikinis, sometimes even topless bikinis, on the beaches. Their men and women have no problem in having sex without marriage. They have no problem in corrupting their children and legitimizing to them their illegal ways, etc....
So with all of this in mind, it is now clear that it is the intentions and the actions that are done to promote them, that really matter. Anyone like this polytheist trinitarian pagan and his team of corrupt infidels can act very stupid and twist the Text of the Noble Quran as they please, such as legalizing lesbianism. But they can only fool themselves!
I think the reader can now clearly see just how much of
a total joke Sam Shamoun really is.
I can simply stop here!
The Noble Verses above have clearly and indisputably debunked the polytheist trinitarian pagan's gibberish article and points. I can simply stop here and end the rebuttal and defeat his "challenge". But for the sake of having fun, I will continue to debunk him below to further prove to the reader why I have created the special "Dumpster Section" for him and his team and why I keep shoving them, every once in a while, in it.
It's laughable articles of this type, from the ludicrous team of the so-called "Answering Islam", that have absolutely no place in the scholarship world, which need to be tossed away and thrown in the dumpster. That's exactly what's happening tonight to Sam Shamoun, to his so-called "article" and to his soundly debunked "open challenge".
He wrote:
God’s true Word, the Holy Bible, explicitly condemns the practice of homosexuality, lesbianism, and bestiality:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. And you shall not lie with any beast and defile yourself with it, neither shall any woman give herself to a beast to lie with it: it is perversion." Leviticus 18:22-23 RSV
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them... If a man lies with a beast, he shall be put to death; and you shall kill the beast." Leviticus 20:13, 15 RSV
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:26-27 RSV
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
"Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted." 1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
The Holy Bible also refers to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and their neighboring cities, due to their evil and wickedness, which included homosexuality:
"Then the LORD said, ‘Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomor'rah is great and their sin is very grave, I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry which has come to me; and if not, I will know.’" Genesis 18:20-21 RSV
"The two angels came to Sodom in the evening; and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed himself with his face to the earth, and said, ‘My lords, turn aside, I pray you, to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise up early and go on your way.’ They said, ‘No; we will spend the night in the street.’ But he urged them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house; and they called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.’ Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after him, and said, ‘I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.’ But they said, ‘Stand back!’ And they said, ‘This fellow came to sojourn, and he would play the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.’ Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door. But the men put forth their hands and brought Lot into the house to them, and shut the door. And they struck with blindness the men who were at the door of the house, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves groping for the door." Genesis 19:1-11 RSV
"just as Sodom and Gomor'rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." Jude 1:7 RSV
This is where we get the term sodomy and sodomite in connection to homosexuality.
My response:
First of all, in regards to Genesis 18 & 19, see my thorough refutation to the trinity lie that was invented using them.
Also, visit: Where in the Bible is lesbianism prohibited? and see how I proved that the NT verses above only spoke about males' homosexuality and not women's lesbianism!
Note: The topic of bestiality (humans having sex with animals) had been covered further below in this article.
This section will be divided into two sub-sections:
1- The Old Testament's laws.
2- The Bible is corrupt according to its theologians.
1- The Old Testament's laws:
First of all, many laws in the Old Testament are too harsh and impossible to live by. Christians also claim that they don't have to follow the Old Testament, which is something I refuted along time ago. But as far as following the OT, if you wish to follow it, then you must also follow the following:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/abrogation_in_bible.htm:
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16)"
The whole section from the same link reads like this:
2- Christians abrogating the Bibles:
1- Eating swine while it is prohibited in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
"And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)"
There goes your Christmas and
Easter ham and pork.
It amazes me how the polytheist trinitarian pagan christians are the world's biggest consumers of pork meat!
Talk about respecting GOD Almighty and obeying His Divine Will!
2- Not following the Social Laws of the Old Testament. If you believe that you don't have to follow the OT's Social Laws, then I must ask you:
1- Can you marry your father's former wife?
2- Can you marry your own sister?
3- If you're a Hindu (male Hindus are allowed to marry their sisters' daughters) and you just recently embraced Christianity, then are you allowed to marry your sister's daughter whom you probably fell in love with before or at least had strong feelings toward, or was probably spoken for, when she was young while you were a Hindu?
4- Can you marry your son's former wife, or daughter's former husband, if you're a dad or mom?
5- CAN YOU MARRY YOUR OWN MOTHER????
The New Testament hardly contains any social law. It
certainly doesn't address any of the questions I raised! Only
the Old Testament is thorough and contains all of the Social Laws that define the limits
of marriage and relationships and other social issues.
For points #1&2 above, if the polytheist trinitarian pagans EAT PORK because it is not prohibited in the NT, then SHOULDN'T that also allow for them to start marrying their own siblings (brothers and sisters) or their nieces and nephews, OR EVEN THEIR OWN PARENTS??
I mean, who's really to say no if the NT doesn't prohibit it!!
HECK, they're now allowing for men to marry men and women to marry women!
What's next? Marry your own dog because the New Testament doesn't say no?!
You think some christians wouldn't do it?
So if you now agree with me that you must follow the Old Testament's Social
Laws, then shouldn't you also follow the following:
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16)"
Renegades/Apostates: Must they be killed?
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)"
"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die. (Deuteronomy 17:3-5)"
Very confusing, isn't it?
Please visit: Christians are Commanded to follow the Old Testament.
2- The Bible is corrupt according to its theologians!
Also, your "Bible" is not the Original Holy and Pure Word of GOD Almighty. It is a rewrite of men's words and interpretations. The book does contain both Truth and man's corruption, alteration and fabrications in it.
Ironically, these are not my own words! Your own bible theologians and historians openly and clearly admit to this fact. Plus the overwhelming amount of historical and textual contradictions that exist in the bible also testify to the corruption and man's alteration and fabricated lies in it.
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_quran_differences.htm:
4- Irrefutable Proofs that the Bible had been altered and corrupted by man:
Let us look at Jeremiah's claim about the Bible being altered to fit their purpose and cover up their shame:
How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
As we clearly see, the Jews had altered the Law of the LORD (i.e., the Revelations sent to Moses) and turned it into a "lie". Let us further examine the history of the Bible and read the quotes of many of the Bible's theologians:
From www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm:
The original manuscripts had been lost!
"Christians readily admit, however, that there have been 'scribal errors' in the copies of the Old and New Testament. It is beyond the capability of anyone to avoid any and every slip of the pen in copying page after page from any book, sacred or secular. Yet we may be sure that the original manuscript (better known as autograph) of each book of the Bible, being directly inspired by God, was free from all error. Those originals, however, because of the early date of their inception no longer exist."
"Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago. We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries. Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors. One concerned the spelling of proper names, and the other had to do with numbers."
"Most Christians will affirm that the Bible is our rule of faith and practice. It is a little self contradictory to stand in the pulpit and say the word of God is inspired, when in his heart the pastor knows he is not referring to any book here on this earth that people can hold in their hands and believe. He really should say what he believes - that the word of God WAS inspired at one time but we no longer have it, so the best we can do is hope we have a close approximation of what God probably meant to tell us."
"It also seems a bit inconsistent to say he believes the originals were inspired, when he has never seen them, they never were together in one single book and they no longer exist anyway. How does he know they were inspired? He accepts this by faith. Yet he seems to lack the faith to actually believe that God could do exactly what He said He would do with His words. God said He would preserve them and that heaven and earth would pass away but His words would not pass away."
From www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm:
Irrefutable contradictions, and proofs that the original authors of today's Bible are UNKNOWN!
Muslims and Christians both agree that the Noble Quran does not agree with today's Bible in everything. Just because the Bible might disagree on something in the Noble Quran, it doesn't at all negate the claim of the Noble Quran or make it false. There is a certain flow of logic that the Noble Quran presents which we the Muslims believe that it is the truth.
The Bible's contents today were not written by their original authors. For example, we read from the book of Matthew so many verses such as this one:
"...And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)"
Did "Matthew" write this about himself? Why then didn't Matthew write for example: "he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…" etc.
Similarly, we read in the books of Moses things such as "And the LORD said to Moses...", or "Moses went to that place....", etc... We also read in the Old Testament about Moses' burial. Now if Moses alone supposedly wrote his books, then how is it possible for him to write about his own burial when he is already dead??!!
Such evidence can be found in many places throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament. The so called "Original letters/Gospels" that were written in Greek and Hebrew, were written by third party people!
Consider the following few examples that consist of historical
contradictions in the Bibles:
II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700
chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen
I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for
horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses
Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.
II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto
him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three
months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose
thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while
that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
How did Judas die?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and
hanged himself." (Matthew 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed
out." (Acts 1:18)
2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child
unto the day of her death.
2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare
unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom
she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to
reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the
daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned
three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the
LORD.
26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2
Who was Josiah's successor?
Jehoahaz - 2 Chronicle 36:1
Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11
Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible's own theologians and historians. It's quite hilarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's garbage:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'?
But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, as I quoted above, here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"
"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"
etc...
How do you respond to this?
Please visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions
in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean,
instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!
It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors' words as the words of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible's followers. Please visit "Is the Bible the true word of GOD?" to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers opinions that agree with the Bible's corruption. I have their personal quotes in that site.
Also, as to the parts of the Bible that Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, please
visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
After that, please visit: Prophet Muhammad was foretold in many places in the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments.
It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors' words as the
words of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into
deep consideration by the Bible's followers. Please visit
"Is the Bible the true word of GOD?" to see a full and complete paper about the
logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers
opinions that agree with the Bible's corruption. I have their personal quotes in
that site.
You can not disprove Islam by presenting stories from the Bible that are not narrated the same from the Noble Quran. We Muslims believe that there are many disagreements in today's Bible, and that the Noble Quran should be the Bible that the Jews and the Christians should follow.
Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran in Noble Verse 11:110 "We (Allah) certainly gave the Book To Moses, but differences Arose therein: had it not been That a Word had gone forth Before from thy Lord, the matter Would have been decided Between them: but they Are in suspicious doubt Concerning it."
"Previous revelations have been corrupted and deprived of their spiritual value by their followers' vain controversies and disputes. It was possible to settle such disputes under the flag, as it were, or the old Revelations, but Allah's Plan was to revive and rejuvenate His Message through Islam, amongst a newer and younger people, unhampered by the burden of age-old prejudices.
There is always in human affairs the conflict between the old and the new, the worn out system of our ancestors, and the fresh living spring of Allah's inspiration fitting in with new times and new surroundings. The advocates of the former look upon this latter not only with intellectual doubt but with moral suspicion, as did the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) upon Islam, with its fresh outlook and vigorous realistic way of looking at things." [2]
He wrote:
The Quran, on the other hand, only vaguely refers to homosexuality in connection with Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah. We have shown why even Lot’s story doesn’t conclusively condemn homosexuality, at least as far as the Quran is concerned, in another rebuttal: www../Responses/Menj/homosexual.htm.
In that same article, we also dealt with surah 4:16, a passage brought up by Muslims such as Osama Abdallah below, showing that it does not refer to the punishment of homosexuals, at least not explicitly.
But for argument’s sake, let us concede that these passages do condemn homosexuality, this still leaves us with the problem of the Quran never explicitly condemning either lesbianism or bestiality.
My response:
Note: The topic of bestiality (humans having sex with animals)
had been covered further below in this article.
Also again, I'd like to ask the reader to visit: Where in the Bible is lesbianism prohibited? I proved from Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy1:10, Romans
1:18-32, Deuteronomy 23:17, Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus 20:16 that lesbianism is totally
condoned in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
First of all, as the reader clearly sees above, the Noble Quran doesn't "vaguely refer to homosexuality". It clearly
condemns it. Not only that, but those who try to get "wild" and
"colorful" with their corruptions and ideas as your pornographic and lustful
christian societies are today, end up suffering a great deal of punishment by GOD
Almighty:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"Let no (Muslim) man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a (Muslim) woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever (pagan woman): nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:3-5)"
Not only will they get flogged as you will see in the Noble Verses below, but they will be forbidden from marrying Muslims! If one wishes to become a queer (homosexual), or if one has sex with his sister or she had sex her brother, or niece or nephew, etc... for him or her, then they will be treated as disbelievers and they will not live comfortable among Muslims, because they can't practically become part of them, such as marrying from them, which is something big deal to humans in life.
So no, a man or woman can not become a homosexual!
Also, as I mentioned above:
To any knowledgeable person in Islamic studies, and to any person who knows just how strict and conservative the Divine and Truthful Religion of Islam regarding chastity and prohibition of lust, fornication, adultery and homosexuality, it becomes quite apparent to the person that Sam Shamoun is a hopeless case. He strives on writing gibberish and desperate nonsense that only occupies space without really providing any real Truth what so ever.
The following response will be divided into the following sections:
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam.
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste.
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam:
To any person with the least atom of a brain, the following Noble Verses clearly refute his lie regarding Islam allegedly allowing lesbianism or homosexuality in general:
"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. (The Noble Quran, 4:15)" If the lesbian woman or women repent, then she or they would be set free. See proof.
"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:16)" The punishment is 100 stripes. See proof.
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (The Noble Quran, 7:81)"
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"Let no (Muslim) man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a (Muslim) woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever (pagan woman): nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:3-5)"
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
"(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? (The Noble Quran, 27:54)"
"A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, 24:1-2)"
"Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (The Noble Quran, 17:32)"
"O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 60:12)"
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste:
Chastity in Islam is well defined in the Noble Quran. It is not just limited to sexual intercourse. It includes everything that deals with and promotes sex and sexual excitement! Talking loose, flirting, dressing inappropriately, promoting sexual and evil thoughts in the society are all condemned in the Noble Quran:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. (The Noble Quran, 24:31)"
"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. This is perfectly summed up in this Noble Verse:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(The Noble Quran, 4:25)""This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
(The Noble Quran, 5:5)""She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
(The Noble Quran, 19:20)""O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!
(The Noble Quran, 19:28)""And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
(The Noble Quran, 24:4)""Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty,-
(The Noble Quran, 24:23)"
There are few important points to notice here, especially in Noble
Verse 24:31 above:
1- Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslim women to look down when approaching men and to guard their modesty.
2- They must cover their bodies and only reveal their beauty to their husbands and few other relatives.
3- Out of stranger males, they can only uncover their hair in front of little children who "have no sense of the shame of sex".
4- Women can not "strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments." In other words, do not flirt!
I think point #3 pretty much sums it all up!
The fact, from among stranger males, that women can only display the parts of their bodies that are above the shoulders to little children who don't know anything about sex, PROVES without doubt that lesbianism is illegal in Islam.
The sick pornographic and polytheist trinitarian pagan's point, Sam Shamoun that is, is simply that since lesbians' sex is not done by uniting the penis and the vagina together, or by inserting the penis into a vagina, then Islamically it is not forbidden. Since the two women would obviously have only vaginas, and since the Christian Western made "porn toys" didn't exist 1500 years ago, then to pornographic bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", sex between the two women in all its forms is legal.
What this pornographic polytheist trinitarian pagan doesn't realize is that the "shame of sex" that Allah Almighty talked about regarding the little boys, it would obviously include a condemnation of the two women having an inappropriate relationship with each others, even including just a loose and flirty talk directed at each others (See also Isaiah 1:9-17: Yahweh called Israel Sodom, because it spreads evil and is unjust). Let alone having a physical sexual relationship.
This is further proven in the following Hadith:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. This is perfectly summed up in this Noble Verse:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
And to answer Sam Shamoun's silly points regarding lesbianism:
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Doesn't "a woman should not see the private parts of another woman" soundly debunk your trash? |
| The Prophet's Commands
are a must to follow according to the
Noble Quran: The authentic Sunnah (the way the Prophet lived) and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. There are ample Noble Verses in the Noble Quran that Command the Muslims to follow not only the Noble Quran, but also the Commands of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: "O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)" "God did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of God, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error. (The Noble Quran, 3:164)" "Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. (The Noble Quran, 5:92)" "(We sent) clear proofs and the scriptures. Now, We have sent you this reminder (Quran) so that you may demonstrate the revelations to them. Perhaps they may reflect and ponder! (The Noble Quran, 16:44)" "When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)" "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (The Noble Quran, 7:157)" "Say: "Obey God, and obey the Apostle: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Apostle's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)""So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey the Apostle; that ye may receive mercy. (The Noble Quran, 24:56)""Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God. (The Noble Quran, 33:21)""It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (The Noble Quran, 33:36)""The Day that their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire, they will say: "Woe to us! Would that we had obeyed God and obeyed the Apostle!" (The Noble Quran, 33:66)""It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;- (The Noble Quran, 62:2)""So obey God, and obey His Apostle: but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Apostle is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. (The Noble Quran, 64:12)"Most of these Noble Verses were taken from
Combat Kit To Use Against the "Quran
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The whole point of the veil is not just to have a scarf covering the woman. It also includes living a chaste and a non-loose and non-flirty life! That is why Allah Almighty even prevented women from striking their feet on the ground to make noise that would draw attention to them, so that men would think that they are trying to draw inappropriate attention to them, such as flirting, as shown in point #4 above.
And it's not just women who are Commanded to live a Chaste life. Men too are Commanded to live it, and to avoid causing evil in the society in all ways. This is mentioned in Noble Verse 33:35 above.
Like I mentioned above in the article, women by nature can very dangerous, just as men by nature can be extremely brainless and stupid when they're sexually too high. Perhaps that is why we see much emphasis on women's' appearances than men in the Noble Quran. To men, a decent shirt and decent pants would do just fine as far as the outside "Chaste" looks are concerned. But to women, it can get much more complicated.
So to prevent some women from abusing their natural and magical beauty and attraction to men, Allah Almighty made it compulsory upon them to cover up, so that they won't eventually become satan's tools to destroy the Chastity of the Muslim society, as it is the case with the pornographic and sexually open christian societies today! Their women have no problem exposing 99% of their bodies through wearing bikinis, sometimes even topless bikinis, on the beaches. Their men and women have no problem in having sex without marriage. They have no problem in corrupting their children and legitimizing to them their illegal ways, etc....
So with all of this in mind, it is now clear that it is the intentions and the actions that are done to promote them, that really matter. Anyone like this polytheist trinitarian pagan and his team of corrupt infidels can act very stupid and twist the Text of the Noble Quran as they please, such as legalizing lesbianism. But they can only fool themselves!
I think the reader can now clearly see just how much of
a total joke Sam Shamoun really is.
He wrote:
Osama Abdallah, of Answering Christianity, has sought to prove me wrong by showing that the Quran does condemn lesbianism (*). Ignoring his venomous slurs and assault, especially on Christian women (i.e. claiming that more than 95% of Christian women are "whores and sluts"), Osama writes:
My response to this loser:
Of course lewdness doesn't mean anything to you since perhaps most, if not all, of the single women in your christian community from family and friends are non-virgins. I can clearly see why to a brainless pervert like you, lewdness is nothing, since you failed to see that lewdness in the Noble Verse 4:15 above does automatically include lesbianism and all of the other forms of sexual sinnings [sic] too. Your failure and carelessness are all due to the way you and most christians today are raised. Fornication with a boyfriend or girlfriend is not even considered a sexual sin. It is a personal choice and freedom. Hilarious indeed.
Allah Almighty not only condemns homosexuality, fornication and adultery in the Noble Quran, but He [sic] Almighty also Commands all Muslims to remain Chaste:
Fornication, Adultery and Homosexuality:"Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
(The Noble Quran, 17:32)""The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
(The Noble Quran, 24:2)""Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.
(The Noble Quran, 24:3)""O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(The Noble Quran, 60:12)""If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way.
(The Noble Quran, 4:15)" If the lesbian woman or women repent, then she or they would be set free. See proof."If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
(The Noble Quran, 4:16)""We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
(The Noble Quran, 7:80)""For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.
(The Noble Quran, 7:81)""(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)?
(The Noble Quran, 27:54)""Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!
(The Noble Quran, 27:55)"Muslim men and women must remain Chaste:
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
(The Noble Quran, 24:33)""If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(The Noble Quran, 4:25)""This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
(The Noble Quran, 5:5)""She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
(The Noble Quran, 19:20)""O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!
(The Noble Quran, 19:28)""And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
(The Noble Quran, 24:4)""Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty,-
(The Noble Quran, 24:23)"
RESPONSE:
In the first place, even though the Quran condemns adultery in certain instances, it does permit it in other circumstances:
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, - desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. S. 4:24 Y. Ali
This passage makes it lawful for men to have sex with married women who are owned by Muslims as slaves, whether by captivity or by purchase.
In fact, there is a passage which implicitly permits prostitution under certain circumstances:
And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, WHEN THEY DESIRE TO KEEP CHASTE, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. S. 24:33 Shakir
The way this passage is worded one can easily conclude that prostitution is only a sin when the slave girl desires chastity. Otherwise, if she does not desire to be chaste then it is okay for her to prostitute herself for gain. This understanding is supported by the fact that Muhammad allowed his followers to contract temporary marriages (called Muta in Arabic) for the sole purpose of sexual gratification, an obvious form of prostitution. The verse used to justify Muta is actually the very one used above which permits adultery in specific situations:
[Forbidden to you] are married woman, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt'atum] with them, then give them their words. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is Knowing, Wise. S. 4:24
The word, istimta'tum, is the verbal form of the word Mutah. Now, there must be women who are willing to sleep with Muslim men under the guise of temporary marriages for money. This is where prostitution comes in, i.e. slave girls who would be willing to sleep with these men for money or material goods!
{Note: Although Sunni Muslims claim that this practice of temporary marriages has been canceled, Shia Muslims disagree (cf. http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/index.php). Thus, there are thousands of Muslims till this very day who engage in what is nothing more than prostitution!}
My response:
Again, I'd like to ask the reader to visit: Where in the Bible is lesbianism prohibited? I proved from Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy1:10, Romans 1:18-32, Deuteronomy 23:17, Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus 20:16 that lesbianism is totally condoned in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
This section will be divided into the following sub-sections:
1- Slavery and the ending of slavery in Islam.
2- Having sex with slaves, and even FORCING 3-year old slave girls into sex, in the bible!
3- The Laws of Islam regarding slave women compared to the bible.
1- Slavery and the ending of slavery in Islam:
Ok, now this is where Sam Shamoun is getting really stupid, with all due respect to the reader. He first tried to prove lesbianism in the Noble Quran. After I soundly debunked his silly point for him, he is now turning into slaves and the days of slavery during the early days of Islam.
To the reader, Islam came to gradually end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery that dominated Arabia and the world back then! I will shortly post the Noble Verses from the Noble Quran that clearly prove this.
In regards to my comment on the christian women being 95% sluts and whores, I still stand by this comment! The beaches where they expose 99% of their bodies and the tight cloths that they wear, along with the "boy-friend girl-friend" sexual relationships without marriage all prove that they are sinful, and that the christian societies are all fornicators and adulterers. Compare this garbage to the Chaste Muslim women, and you'll clearly see that my comment is very well justified.
Anyway back to the "Right hand Possessions" in Islam (slave women), both the Noble Quran and Sam Shamoun's bible allow for the masters to have sex with their slave girls. So Sam Shamoun's dump point is refuted by his very own gospel of porn bible where it says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine":
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/incomplete_rebuttal.htm#slavery:
The example of ending slavery in Islam:
Perhaps the best example I can provide regarding Laws developing gradually in the Noble Quran is the ending of the Judeo-Christians' and Pagans' slavery in Arabia. Let us look at the following Noble Verses:
Slavery seems to be allowed:
Note: "Right hand possession" are the human-captives of war who lived as slaves among Muslims.
"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For God loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;- (The Noble Quran, 4:36)"
"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"
"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. (The Noble Quran, 4:24)"
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:25)"
Freeing of slaves is Commanded by Allah Almighty:
"It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. (The Noble Quran, 2:177)" "Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to God: for God hath all knowledge and all wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 4:92)" "God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful. (The Noble Quran, 5:89)" "But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered, (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and God is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 58:3)"Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
Narrated Asma: "No doubt the Prophet ordered people to manumit slaves during the solar eclipse. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Eclipses, Volume 2, Book 18, Number 163)"
"'Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that 'Umar b. Khattab asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as he was at ji'rana (a town near Mecca) on his way back from Ta'if: Messenger of Allah, I had taken a vow during the days of Ignorance that I would observe I'tikaf for one day in the Sacred Mosque. So what is your opinion? He said: Go and observe I'tikaf for a day. And Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave him a slave girl out of the one-fifth (of the spoils of war meant for the Holy Prophet). And when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) set the war prisoners free. 'Umar b. Khattab heard their voice as they were saying: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has set us free. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: What is this? They said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has set free the prisoners of war (which had fallen to the lot of people). Thereupon he (Hadrat 'Umar) said: Abdullah, go to that slave-girl and set her free. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4074)"
If a slave requests his freedom from the Muslim master, he can get it:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm:
First, it is important to know that thousands of years ago life was different than today. Today, people wouldn't accept slavery for any reason. The reason for this is because people are a lot more independent both financially, education wise, mentally, etc... But people back then were different. When a tribe or a group of people lose a major battle and their money is mostly, if not all, is taken as war booty by the other side, then people could and would accept being slaves for the following reasons:
1- Both financial and social security. When their country or tribe lost the war, they also lost most or all of their money as war booty. Being out of money and food, it becomes necessary for an individual to find the means for basic survival in life. Living as a slave would provide this.
2- Protection from hostile individuals. Even under the Islamic rule, you can still find hostile individuals who violate the Law and take matters into their own hands. An enemy family can be sometime in danger if they don't have a "protector".
3- Widows, Orphans, and the extremely poor of the enemy side need the financial and social protection from a Master. Back then, there were no governments with good social system that protects everyone. Slavery back then was that social system in special cases.
There are probably more points I can add, but I think these are sufficient enough. Let us now see the Islamic System toward Slaves:
Yes slaves were taken from the blood-thirsty and hostile enemies, but they were also given the right to get their freedom when ever they want. The Noble Quran not only allows slaves to request their freedom from their Muslim masters, but also orders the Muslim masters to pay the slaves money to help them stand on their feet and to be able to face life with a good jump start.
Let us look at Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)," In this Noble Verse, we see that if a slave requests his freedom from his Muslim master, then his master not only must help him earn his freedom if there is good in the Slave, but also pay him money so the slave can have a good start in his free life.
"The law of slavery in the legal sense of the term is now obsolete. While it had any meaning, Islam made the slave's lot as easy as possible. A slave, male or female, could ask for conditional manumission by a written deed fixing the amount required for manumission and allowing the slave meanwhile to earn money by lawful means and perhaps marry and bring up a family. Such a deed was not to be refused if the request was genuine and the slave had character. Not only that, but the master is directed to help with money out of his own resources in order to enable the slave to earn his or her own liberty." [3]
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said:
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
The Bottom line is:
The bottom line is that in order for the Muslims to remain as a purified and GOD Almighty-fearing and obeying society, one of the requirements that they had to accomplish was to gradually and completely eliminate slavery - the same slavery that was at its peak during the Jews', Christians' and Pagans' times.
For more details, please visit: Human equality and freedom in Islam VS the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
2- Having sex with slaves, and even FORCING 3-year old slave girls into sex, in the bible!
A Father can sell his daughter as a slave girl to other men:
Exodus 21:7-8
7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave,
she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.
8 If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.
Raping of 3-year old slave girls:
Numbers 31:17-18
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman
who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man."
Aside from the killing of innocent children, which happened before also in the bible as shown in the next set of verses, but the historical elaborations from the Jews' Talmud regarding the events that took place in verses Numbers 31:17-18 say that Moses and his men forced into sex 3-year old slave girls:
"....The Tannatic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in 157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
"....According to the Tannate Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm)
Bibliography:
[131] Ibid., vol.XXI.A-D, Tractate Bava Mesia, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1990, p.ix-x.
[132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.
[133] Ibid., vol.XXV.A, Tractate Abodah Zarah, 1991, 168. Emphasis original.
[134] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia. A complete outline, Part IV. The Division of Holy Things. B. Number 37. 1995, 704.
[135] Neusner 1993, 41.
[136] Neusner 1995, 7.
[137] Kuhn 1959, 157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.
[138] Ibid., 157, footnote 86, 653.
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm)
Slaves and the generations that come after them are all to be inherited forever:
Leviticus 25:44-46
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the
nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of
the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country,
and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as
inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule
over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
3- The Laws of Islam regarding slave women compared to the bible.
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"
In Islam, men are not allowed to rape their slave-girls. Allah Almighty clearly prohibited it in Noble Verse 24:33. In Islam, slavery is also not allowed. Please visit The liberation of slaves in Islam, to see how Islam gradually ended the Judeo-Christian and pagan slavery.
Why did Allah Almighty make lawful for Muslim men to have sexual intercourse with the married women whom are captives of war?
The sections of this article are:
1- Why did Allah Almighty make lawful for Muslim men
to have sexual intercourse with the married women from the captives?
2- The reasons behind why Allah Almighty allowed such a law.
3- In Islam, the Muslims have to be very kind to their slaves.
4- Can a slave request his freedom
from his Muslim owner? Yes, and the Muslim master has to
grant him/her their freedom according to the Noble Quran.
5- Captivity was really brutal before Islam
among the Pagans and the teachings of the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
6- Does the Bible
order its followers to inherit the slaves and their children? Yes, the Bible commands to keep the slaves forever and to inherit them to
your children too.
7- The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to
its Theologians!
8- Can a Muslim man rape his slave woman?
9- Can a Muslim man rape his domestic maid girl?
10- Response to the "Proofs" that men can rape their slave-girls in Islam.
1- Why did Allah Almighty make lawful for Muslim men to have sexual intercourse with the married women from the captives?
Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
"Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. (The Noble Quran, 4:23-24)"
The definition of the term "right hands possess" is "Captives of war". Those from among the population of the tribes who fought the Muslims are considered "right hand possessions" if their tribe is defeated and captured.
We first need to understand that back 1400 years ago, when Islam was growing among the Pagan Arab Tribes, the Muslims were at constant wars with the Pagans. The Pagan tribes highly objected to the presence and the rapid growth of Islam, and they all united to fight Islam and finish it once and for all.
During those days, the Muslims did not have any government. Governments provide welfare and protection to people. Back then, and when there was no Islamic Government yet, the Muslims were their own country and were their own government. Everyone had to share in the responsibility DIRECTLY by sheltering the captives of wars at their homes.
2- The reasons behind why Allah Almighty allowed such a law:
The following was sent to me by brother Zakaria B Hj Mokhtar; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Assalamualaykum,
Brother Osama,
I'm referring to your justifications that Allah Almighty had made lawful for Muslims to have sexual intercourse with the married women whom are captives of war. According to a footnote of a Malay translated Holy Quran by H. Zainuddin Hamidy and Fachruddin, Klang Bookstore, Malaysia, 1955, with reference to sura 33:26,
[al-Ahzab 33:26] And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.,
the footnote read as follows:
'The punishment toward (the Jewish tribe) Banu Quraizah who betrayed and assisted the allies was handed down by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to Sa'ad bin Mu'ads. The verdicts: They were sentenced to death, the women were made slaves (captives), and their lands were divided among the Muhajirins. The decision was made as such based on the laws of the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 20:13-14
'13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Thank you.
3- In Islam, the Muslims have to be very kind to their slaves:
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ordered his followers to be kind to their slaves: Narrated Al-Ma'rur: At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, "I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names." The Prophet said to me, 'O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 2, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29)"
To me, this Saying by our beloved Prophet means a lot. It proves that not only to treat with kindness those who fought us bloody battles and tried to destroyed Islam once and for all, and caused so much deaths for Muslims, but to also treat them as BROTHERS/SISTERS, and to feed them from the same food that we eat from and to dress them from the cloths that we wear. This is quite respectful to humanity and to mankind.
Also, Allah Almighty encouraged the Muslims to liberate Slaves and the Captives of Wars (right hands possessions) whenever possible. Let us look at Noble Verse 4:92 "Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to God: for God hath all knowledge and all wisdom." In this Noble Verse, we see that Allah Almighty ordered to free a believing slave if a Muslim accidentally kills another Muslim. This Noble Verse came to encourage Muslims to liberate slaves.
Let us look at Noble Verse 5:89 "God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave [either a believing or non-believing slave] his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." This Noble Verse is also another proof that Allah Almighty did encourage Muslims to liberate slaves.
Let us look at Noble Verse 58:3 "But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered, (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave [either believing or non-believing slave] before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and God is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do." This Noble Verse is another proof that Allah Almighty did encourage Muslims to liberate slaves.
There are more Noble Verses that push for the liberation of slaves. But the above Noble Verses should be sufficient enough to prove my point.
4- Can a slave request his freedom from his Muslim owner?
The Noble Quran not only allows slaves to request their freedom from their Muslim masters, but also orders the Muslim masters to pay the slaves money to help them stand on their feet and to be able to face life with a good jump start.
Let us look at Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)," In this Noble Verse, we see that if a slave requests his freedom from his Muslim master, then his master not only must help him earn his freedom if there is good in the Slave, but also pay him money so the slave can have a good start in his free life.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him also said:
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
Islam came to liberate all slaves and to end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery that was practiced before Islam. When Allah Almighty made lawful for the Muslim men to have sex with their slave women, He did it to keep the Islamic society back then during Islam's weak, partial and venerable times under control.
Now that after we've seen how Islam orders the Muslims to free the slaves whenever it
is possible and also whenever the Slave requests his/her freedom, and to treat them as our
brothers and sisters, then it is quite obvious that Islam is a religion that DOES NOT LIKE
SLAVERY AND ENSLAVING PEOPLE.
We can now look at how Muslims can live with their Captives of Wars to understand the
situation better. Back in those days, in most cases of battles, the defeated tribe
would have lost many of its men in the battle field, leaving behind the elderly, women and
their children.
Everyone is now living under the Islamic ruling. Islam is never to be forced upon any human being; "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error....(The Noble Quran, 2:256)" Also "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it)....(The Noble Quran, 18:29)" Every captured Pagan Arab had the freedom to continue following his/her religion as they wish. However, since now they lived under the Islamic ruling, and they showed a great deal of offense to the Muslims, by declaring wars on the Muslims along with the rest of the Arab Pagan tribes, and lost so many of their men and money for the war, then their situation now is quite different.
For those of the Pagans who could afford to pay "Jizya" or "Taxes", then they would not be Captives of War and their life would continue as it was. However, for those who could not afford to pay "Jizya" or "Taxes", then they would be taken as Captives of War. They would serve the Muslims and the new ruling that they live in, until they bring back the losses that they brought to the Muslims.
Keep in mind that Allah Almighty allowed for the Captives of Wars to request and be granted their Freedom as shown in the Noble Verse 24:33 above.
Those Captives of Wars while living with the Muslims, would be treated with kindness. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him described them as the Muslims' BROTHERS/SISTERS as shown in the Saying above and the Muslims must feed them from the same food that they eat and dress them from the same cloths that they wear. But since they are now living in captivity to make up for the damage that they caused to the Muslims from money and lives, they can be treated as slaves, and in slavery, the master can sleep with any of his women that he desires.
Also, in the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life.
Please visit Slavery in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
5- Captivity was really brutal before Islam among the Pagans and the teachings of the Bibles:
Rabbi Joseph said: 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.' Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse. ...Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' "
Please visit Girls having
sexual intercourse at the age of 3! According to the Jewish Holiest Book, the
Talmud.
Also, the Bible clearly allows for fathers to sell their daughters as slaves: "And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl, she will
not go out in the way that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her
master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he
will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with
her. (Exodus 21:7-8)"
Islam prohibits such awful acts to be done to little babies of that age, because Allah Almighty said clearly in the Noble Verse where He permits Muslim men to have sexual intercourse with their Captives of War to "desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them...(4:24)"
Also, according to Islam, a girl is not allowed to have sexual intercourse, nor to get married before she has her first period and is capable of getting pregnant. A girl according to Islam can not be called a "Woman" or a young "Woman" until she has her first period and is capable of getting pregnant. Notice that in Noble Verse 4:24, Allah Almighty is clearly talking about "Women" and not just "Females". Also, no sexual intercourse experience can be practiced with either kids or men.
Also, in the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life.
Please visit Slavery in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
6- Does the Bible order its followers to inherit the slaves and their children?
Let us look at Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
What kind of a human value does the Bible give to slaves? If slaves and their children must be inherited and passed down to newer generations as slaves, then how in the world will they ever gain their freedom? Does the Bible believe in Freedom? Does the Bible believe in liberating human beings from slavery? Apparently it does not!
As we've seen above, Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran allows for slaves to request their freedom from their Muslim Masters and be granted their freedom and be given money on top of it to help them get a good jump start in life. The Bible on the other hand, orders for slaves and their children to be inherited forever.
Also, in the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life.
Please visit Slavery in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
7- The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!
We must know that the Bible can not be trusted. Let us look at what the Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible say about the books of the Bible, and how they were corrupted by the scribes:
"...portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel's history... (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)"
(www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm)
Please visit this site to see detailed quotes from the NIV Bible's Theologians and Historians admitting that most of the Bible's books and gospels were indeed corrupted by men and were not True Revelations from GOD Almighty.
The Jewish scribes had very badly corrupted the Bible and turned it into a big lie. That is why GOD Almighty said:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
In either translation above, we clearly see that the Bible has too many narrated stories and man-made cultural laws that were inserted into it that were not Divine Revelations from GOD Almighty. The following sites have tons of details that prove that [1], [2], [3], [4].
It's quite obvious that the Bible is more like a man made cultural book than a divine book that is meant to be for all times and all places. Anyway, the Bible was not even written by its original authors. That is why you see things such as "And Moses went up to the mountain...." instead of "And I [Moses] went up to the mountain....", or "And Jesus said to Matthew...." instead of "And Jesus said to me [Matthew]...." Most of the Books and Gospels of the Bible were written by third party people that were not even chosen by GOD, which makes the Bible just a cultural history book rather than a divine book from GOD Almighty. Please see Question #3 to see why Allah Almighty allowed for the Bible of today to be corrupted.
8- Can a Muslim man rape his slave woman?
Below are three English translations to the Noble Verse where Allah Almighty commands the Muslim men to not force their slave women into sex.
The following translations were taken from http://mama.stg.brown.edu/webs/quran_browser/pqeasy.shtml
Translation: Yusufali:
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage
keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your
slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum),
give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out
of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to
prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of
this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God,
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble
Quran, 24:33)"
Translation: Pickthall:
"And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah
give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of
emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon
them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your
slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world,
if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after
their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
Translation: Shakir:
"And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste
until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a
writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know
any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and
do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order
to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then
surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
In all three translations, we clearly see that if the slave woman desires to keep chaste, then her Muslim master must not compel her into sex. It might sound odd to us today, but pagans back then were used to having sex with and raping their slave girls, even the ones who were married:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"
In Islam, men are not allowed to rape their slave-girls. Allah Almighty clearly prohibited it in Noble Verse 24:33. In Islam, slavery is also not allowed. Please visit The liberation of slaves in Islam, to see how Islam gradually ended the Judeo-Christian and pagan slavery.
I was told by a Muslim scholar before along time ago that the Arab pagans used to sometimes offer their wives for several nights to the rich and powerful men in the tribe to win their support and make them become more secured in the monopolizing and unmerciful pagan society.
So to women back then, it was something normal for a married slave woman to sleep with her master. It was something normal in the society at that time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).
Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran not only allows for the slave man or woman to earn their freedom from their Muslim master, and receive money from their Muslim master to help them start their free life, but also commands the Muslim men to not compel their slave women into sex.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him also said:
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
Islam came to liberate all slaves and to end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery that was practiced before Islam. When Allah Almighty made lawful for the Muslim men to have sex with their slave women, He did it to keep the Islamic society back then during Islam's weak, partial and venerable times under control.
Also, if any compulsion was made unto the slave woman, then Allah Almighty will add more mercy and forgiveness unto her in the Day of Judgement. Below is the commentary on this exact section and point in Noble Verse 24:33 by Minister (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul:
"The poor unfortunate girls, who are victims of such a nefarious trade (i.e., slave trade), will yet find mercy from Allah, whose bounties extend to the lowest of His creatures." [2]
There are other Noble Verses in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty grants forgiveness and mercy to those who had been forced into illegal things:
"He hath only forbidden you Dead meat, and blood, And the flesh of swine, And that on which Any other name hath been invoked Besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, Without willful disobedience, Nor transgressing due limits -- Then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 2:173)"
"Why should ye not Eat of (meats) on which Allah's name hath been Pronounced, when He hath Explained to you in detail What is forbidden to you -- Except under compulsion Of necessity? But many do mislead (men) By their appetites unchecked By knowledge. Thy Lord Knoweth best those who transgress. (The Noble Quran, 6:119)"
So the answer to the question is: No, the Muslim man can not rape his slave woman according to the commands of Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran.
Important Note: Please read the "Response to the "Proofs" that men can rape their slave-girls in Islam" section toward the bottom of this article for more proofs.
Also, in the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life.
Please visit Slavery in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
9- Can a Muslim man rape his domestic maid girl?
The following is an email I received from Becky; may Allah Almighty lead her to Islam. Her points are preceded with "Becky-" and my responses are preceded with "Osama-".
Subj: Deliberate Deception
Date: 12/4/01 8:59:54 AM Central Standard Time
From: becky@emirates.net.ae
(Becky)
To: ISLM4EVR1@aol.com
Mr. Osama
I have not yet got a reply from you for this mail I am still waiting
Becky- If a young innocent and helpless house maid (domestic helper) wants to preserve her chastity or remain a virgin and keep herself pure Allah says to his followers not to force them to prostitution, however if someone forces them into prostitution or forces them to lose their chastity (rapes them) he can do this heinous crime under the secure knowledge that Allah will be forgiving and merciful,
Osama- Mrs. Becky, I first of all want to apologize for taking 4 months to reply to your email. This sometimes happens when I receive difficult requests.
Now as to Noble Verse 24:33, it doesn't apply to domestic maids today. It was revealed to deal with the captives of war. Please read the "Can a Muslim man rape his slave woman?" section above which I just recently added for more details.
Becky- UNBELIEVABLE If you say that Allah being forgiving and merciful refers to the maid then this would be a sick joke because someone raped or forced into prostitution does not need forgiveness and mercy but and justice and dignity, this is clearly a license and protection offered to the offender.
Osama- This is all fine in our standards today. But if you had to start a religion by yourself as Prophet Muhammad did through the commands of Allah Almighty, and face 365 opposing Pagan Arab tribes, then the situation is quite different.
The Muslims had no Islamic State to take care of their social issues and the Captives of war. Muslims had to divide the responsibility among themselves. It is also important to know that Muslims were much merciful to their slaves than the Jews, Christians and the Pagan Arabs. I don't have to remind you of the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life Becky.
Please visit The Bible is corrupt according to its Historians and Theologians.
Again, please read the "Can a Muslim man rape his slave woman?" section above which I just recently added, to see how Allah Almighty commands the Muslim men to grant the freedom to those slaves who request it and to pay them money on top of it. You will also see how Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men to not force their maids into sex. You will also see how Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 24:33 and other Noble Verses grants forgiveness and mercy to those who had been forced into illegal things.
Please visit Human rights and equality in Christianity and Islam.
Becky- Now lets see how the Muslim scholars translating the Quran deal with this issue
Pickthall, an-Nur 24:33
Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek
enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one
force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving,
Merciful.
Shakir, an-Nur 24:33
and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they
desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever
compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Yusufali, an-Nur 24:33
But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire
chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone
compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
The first two translators clearly state that Allah is and will be forgiving and
merciful to the offenders, while Mr. Yusufali clearly embarrassed by such an unimaginable
prospect tries to escape by twisting his translation to appear like a question is God
merciful to them (the offenders)? A sentence cannot be a statement and a question at the
same time it has to be only one
1. If the later part of an-Nur 24:33 is a statement then Yusufali has deliberately twisted
his translation to look like a question thereby deceiving the reader of the Quran.
2. And if it is a question then both translators Pickthall and Shakir have deliberately
tried to malign the name of Allah by making him the protector of those who commit heinous
crimes against the most helpless beings on earth
Osama- The Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation is not raising a question. The "is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)," is referring to the mercy and forgiveness that Allah Almighty will further grant the victim:
"The poor unfortunate girls, who are victims of such a nefarious trade (i.e., slave trade), will yet find mercy from Allah, whose bounties extend to the lowest of His creatures." [2]
Again, please read the "Can a Muslim man rape his slave woman?" section above which I just recently added, to see how Allah Almighty commands the Muslim men to grant the freedom to those slaves who request it and to pay them money on top of it. You will also see how Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men to not force their maids into sex. You will also see how Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 24:33 and other Noble Verses grants forgiveness and mercy to those who had been forced into illegal things.
Becky- Only one of the two can be correct so please let me know which one and also I dare you to post this on your web site along with the reply you send (if any) in response to the above.
Osama- All three translations are the same Becky, with the exception that Abdullah Yusif Ali translation is clearer. As to your challenge for me to post your email, I hope I satisfied it for you.
A good answer from brother Maalik Adib to Becky; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
From: "maalik adib" <maalik@nycap.rr.com>
To: <"Osama Abdallah">
Subject: Your answer to Becky
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:42:22 -0500
As-salaamu alaikum:
Akhi, I just read your response to "Becky" and you seemed to have left out one very important fact. The mercy and forgiveness mentioned in the Ayah is for the women who are forced into prostitution not the men.
Becky herself quotes the Yusuf Ali translation. I have never seen a Yusuf Ali translation not accompanied with the commentary and even in the commentary it clearly states the following (note 2994):
"The poor unfortunate girls, who are victims of such a nefarious trade, will yet find mercy from Allah, whose bounties extend to the lowest of His creature." [2]
When you read the verse in its full context it becomes quite clear who are the subject of the mercy and forgiveness. This is right in line with the Islamic concept of people not be held responsible when they are forced against their will to commit a sin. If Becky has a problem with this reasoning then she can check the following verses of the Qur'aan herself:
"He hath only forbidden you Dead meat, and blood, And the flesh of swine, And that on which Any other name hath been invoked Besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, Without willful disobedience, Nor transgressing due limits -- Then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 2:173)"
"Why should ye not Eat of (meats) on which Allah's name hath been Pronounced, when He hath Explained to you in detail What is forbidden to you -- Except under compulsion Of necessity? But many do mislead (men) By their appetites unchecked By knowledge. Thy Lord Knoweth best those who transgress. (The Noble Quran, 6:119)"
In addition, the Qur'aan tells us about those who, by force, renounce their faith in Islam and that they will not be held accountable because they were forced. This is a very clear and well know principle in Islam. Besides the verse is clear anyway.
If further proof is needed, again, she can simply read the Yusuf Ali commentary. If that isn't enough, then she can also read:
Mawdudi's commentary (Towards Understanding the Qur'aan) Vol VI
or
The Noble Qur'aan
All three of these commentaries are in full agreement. But if she has the Yusuf Ali translation then certainly she has seen the commentary on the verse in question. Unless, like everyone else she is simply repeating what she heard from someone else and never actually read the entire verse at all.
I even read this verse to my wife without mentioning any commentary and she understood that the mercy and forgives is directed at the girls forced into prostitution not the men.
Important Note: Please read the "Response to the "Proofs" that men can rape their slave-girls in Islam" section toward the bottom of this article for more proofs.
Again, in the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life.
Please visit Slavery in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
10- Response to the "Proofs" that men can rape their slave-girls in Islam:
The following two emails I received from Becky; may Allah Almighty lead her to Islam. Her points are preceded with "Becky-" and my responses are preceded with "Osama-".
From: becky@emirates.net.ae
(Becky)
To: ISLM4EVR1@aol.com
Subj: Re: From Becky to Osama Abdallah
Date: 4/1/02 7:25:59 AM Central Standard Time
Sorry the translation is by Dr. T.B. Irving
What is your comment about this translation of sura 24:33 by Syed A'la Maududi
Should those whom your right hands control desire their freedom, then draw up such a writ for them if you recognize anything worthwhile in them. Give them some of God's wealth which He has given you. Do not force your girls [whom you control] into prostitution so that you may seek the display of worldly life, if they want to preserve their chastity. Anyone who forces them (to do otherwise) [will find] God is Forgiving, Merciful, even after forcing them to.
link http://isgkc.org/translat.htm
Regards
Becky
From: becky@emirates.net.ae
(Becky)
To: ISLM4EVR1@aol.com
Subj: Re: From Becky to Osama Abdallah
Date: 4/1/02 6:47:22 AM Central Standard Time
Mr. Osama
What is your comment about this translation of sura 24:33 by Syed A'la Maududi
Should those whom your right hands control desire their freedom, then draw up such a writ for them if you recognize anything worthwhile in them. Give them some of God's wealth which He has given you. Do not force your girls [whom you control] into prostitution so that you may seek the display of worldly life, if they want to preserve their chastity. Anyone who forces them (to do otherwise) [will find] God is Forgiving, Merciful, even after forcing them to.
link http://isgkc.org/EnglishQuran/sura24.htm
Regards
Becky
Osama- Well since I showed ample proofs from very reliable and most
used Islamic translations and interpretations of the Noble Quran that the mercy and
forgiveness that Allah Almighty will grant, He will grant it to the victim in the sections
"Can a Muslim man rape his slave woman?" and "Can a Muslim man rape his domestic
maid girl?" above, and your reliable Islamic sources
disagree with mine, then I have one answer for this part in Noble Verse 24:33:
1- Allah Almighty clearly and directly commands the Muslim men to honor their slave women's desire to remain chaste and to not force them into sex.
2- (this is the controversial interpretation part) If a Muslim man however rapes or forces his slave woman into sex, then Allah Almighty will still be Forgiving and Merciful (to her according to my sources), (to him according to your sources).
My acceptance of your reliable sources Becky would come with one addition:
Even though Allah Almighty wanted the Muslim men to honor their slave women's desires to refusing to have sex, but He at the same time did not deprive the Muslim men the right from having sex with their slave women when they desire them. If all of the man's slave women desire to not have sex with him, and he is prohibited to enter upon any of them because of that, then this would be a total deprivation for the man and his rights. So, if a man makes it clear to the slave woman or women that he could and would have sex with them if he desires them, and uses some physical force if he needed to, then the message will be sent clearly to the women and he will find Allah Almighty Forgiving and Merciful for him.
However, if the man abuses his power, and forces himself upon his slave women excessively, then he is violating Allah Almighty's command to honor the women's desires to remain chaste.
I must remind you that Islam came to end slavery and Allah Almighty commanded the Muslims to grant their slaves their freedom if the slaves requested it:
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him also said:
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
Islam came to liberate all slaves and to end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery that was practiced before Islam. When Allah Almighty made lawful for the Muslim men to have sex with their slave women, He did it to keep the Islamic society back then during Islam's weak, partial and venerable times under control.
Again, I don't have to remind you of the Bible's Deuteronomy 20:13-14, in which it clearly gives orders to kill all the men and to take all of the women and children as slaves. No where in the Noble Quran do we have any order to kill any innocent life.
Please visit Slavery in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
I hope I made my points clear without errors.
Bibliography:
1- The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an.
Author: Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
Published by: Amana Publications, 10710 Tucker Street, Suite B, Beltsville, Maryland
20705-2223 USA.
Telephone: (301) 595-5777.
Fax: (301) 595-5888.
ISBN: 0-91597-59-0 (HC).
2- The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an [1], foot note #2994, page 875.
Further sites to research:
Human rights and equality in Christianity and Islam.
Women in Christianity and Islam.
He wrote:
Allah even justified Muhammad’s adulterous desires for his adopted son’s wife, Zaynab bint Jash, which led to his adopted son divorcing her so that Muhammad could then marry her:
And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor: Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed. There is no harm in the Prophet doing that which Allah has ordained for him; such has been the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and the command of Allah is a decree that is made absolute: S. 33:37-38 Shakir
Note the wording of the text carefully. Muhammad was hiding within himself what Allah supposedly was to bring to light, namely, that Muhammad was to marry his adopted son’s divorcee. This means that even before the divorce, Allah allegedly ordained that Muhammad would desire and wed a married woman, which further implies that it was Allah who caused Zaid to divorce his wife so that Muhammad could have her! No wonder Muhammad feared men!
The authoritative Muslim historian and commentator, al-Tabari, provides the alleged historical background for these verses:
The Messenger of God came to the house of Zayd b. Harithah. (Zayd was always called Zayd b. Muhammad.) Perhaps the Messenger of God missed him at that moment, so as to ask, "Where is Zayd?" He came to his residence to look for him but did not find him. Zaynab bt. Jash, Zayd's wife, rose to meet him. Because she was dressed only in a shift, the Messenger of God turned away from her. She said: "He is not here, Messenger of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Come in, you who are as dear to me as my father and mother!" The Messenger of God refused to enter. Zaynab had dressed in haste when she was told "the Messenger of God is at the door." She jumped up in haste and excited the admiration of the Messenger of God, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly: "Glory be to God the Almighty! Glory be to God, who causes the hearts to turn!"
When Zayd came home, his wife told him that the Messenger of God had come to his house. Zayd said, "Why didn't you ask him to come in?" He replied, "I asked him, but he refused." "Did you hear him say anything?" he asked. She replied, "As he turned away, I heard him say: ‘Glory be to God the Almighty! Glory be to God, who causes hearts to turn!’"
So Zayd left, and having come to the Messenger of God, he said: "Messenger of God, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn't you go in, you who are as dear to me as my father and mother? Messenger of God, perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, and so I will separate myself from her." Zayd could find no possible way to [approach] her after that day. He would come to the Messenger of God and tell him so, but the Messenger of God would say to him, "Keep your wife." Zayd separated from her and left her, and she became free.
While the Messenger of God was talking with 'A'isha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, "Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news, saying that God has married her to me?" Then the Messenger of God recited: "And when you said unto him on whom God has conferred favor and you have conferred favor, ‘Keep your wife to yourself .’"- and the entire passage.
According to 'A'isha, who said: "I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the greatest and loftiest of matters - what God had done for her by giving her in marriage. I said she would boast of it over us." (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein [State University of New York Press, Albany, 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 2-3; bold emphasis ours)
The following is the English translation of al-Tabari's Arabic commentary on surah 33:37:
When the exalted Allah said, "Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favor: ‘Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah.’ But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah" this was said by Allah as chastisement to His prophet. For when He said, "one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favor" this was in reference to Zaid son of Haritha who had been set free by the apostle of Allah – prayers and peace be upon him.
When the Exalted Allah said, "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah" this was concerning Zainab the daughter of Jash whom the prophet – pbuh – had seen in her robes and was enamored by her. Thus when Allah saw what was stirring in His prophet’s soul, he placed hatred in the heart of Zaid towards Zainab that he may depart from her. When Zaid mentioned his intention to separate from Zainab to the prophet, the prophet told him, "Retain thou thy wife" even THOUGH THE PROPHET DESIRED THAT THEY SEPARATE SO THAT HE COULD MARRY HER...
When Allah said, "Thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest," means that the prophet hid in his heart his desire for Zaid to depart from Zainab so that he may marry her, and Allah will reveal what you are concealing in your heart concerning this.
The Almighty said, "Thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah," because Allah was telling the prophet who feared people might say, "He ordered a man to divorce his wife so that he himself may marry her after she is divorced," and Allah aught to be feared more than people.
Narrated by Yunis, narrated by Ibn Wahab, narrated by Ibn Zaid who said, "The prophet –pbuh– had married Zaid son of Haritha to his cousin Zainab daughter of Jahsh. One day the prophet –pbuh– went seeking Zaid in his house, whose door had a curtain made of hair. The wind blew the curtain and the prophet saw Zainab in her room unclothed and he admired her in his heart. When Zainab realized that the prophet desired her SHE BEGAN TO HATE ZAID.
Zaid then came to the prophet –pbuh– and said, "O apostle of Allah, I wish to separate from my mate." The prophet responded, "Why? Has anything evil come from her?" Zaid responded, "No, by Allah! I haven’t seen anything evil from her only good."
The prophet said, "Hold unto your wife and fear Allah." That is what Allah said in the Quran, "Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favor: ‘Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah.’ But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest." For the prophet was concealing the fact that he would marry Zainab when Zaid had divorced her. (Source; translated by Dimitrius)
Here, also, are the comments of renowned Muslim commentator, al-Qurtubi, on surah 33:37, translated directly from the Arabic:
Muqatil narrated that the prophet married Zainab daughter of Jahsh to Zaid and she stayed with him for a while. Then one day the prophet –pbuh– came seeking Zaid but he saw Zainab standing; she was white skinned with a beautiful figure and one of the most perfect women in Quraish. So HE DESIRED HER and said, "Wondrous is Allah who changes the heart." When Zaynab heard the prophet’s exaltation of her, she relayed it to Zaid who then understood (what he had to do). Zaid said to the prophet, "O prophet of Allah, allow me to divorce her, for she has become arrogant; seeing herself superior to me and she insults me with her tongue."
The prophet replied, "Hold onto your wife and fear Allah."
It was said that Allah had sent a wind which lifted the curtain to reveal Zainab in her room. When the prophet saw her HE DESIRED HER and it delighted Zainab to be desired by the prophet – pbuh. When Zaid returned home, she informed him of what had happened and Zaid was thus determined to divorce her. (Source; translated by Dimitrius)
Al-Qurtubi also lists the "blessings" and privileges given to Muhammad, which even includes taking another man’s wife if he so desired:
And any believing woman who dedicates herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed (Nikah) her; this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large).
As for what was granted and made lawful (by Allah) to the prophet -pbuh- they are 16 issues:-
- First: To be fair with the spoils.
- Second: To (forcefully) take a fifth of a fifth or just a fifth (of the spoils of war).
- Third: "Al Wisal" (Dimitrius- the fast or fasting. This usually refers to fasting or abstaining from food.)
- Fourth: To take more than four women.
- Fifth: To marry, "Yas-tan-kih" (or have intercourse), with a woman who verbally pronounces her dedication (to the prophet).
- Sixth: To marry, "Yas-tan-kih," without the presence (or permission) of a legal guardian.
- Seventh: To marry, "Yas-tan-kih," without a dowry.
- Eighth: To marry (and have intercourse) during a state of ritual consecration and purification.
- Ninth: The annulment of an oath he may make to his wives.
- Tenth: If Muhammad looks at a woman (and desires her) THEN IT IS NECESSARY FOR HER HUSBAND TO DIVORCE HER AND FOR MUHAMMAD TO MARRY HER. Ibn Al A’raby said, "This is what the servant of the two holy mosques has also said, as was clear to the scholars FROM THE STORY OF ZAID which also had this meaning."
- Eleventh: That the prophet released Safiyyah (from her captured status) and he considered her release as her dowry.
- Twelfth: To enter Mecca without being in a state of ritual purification.
- Thirteenth: To fight in Mecca.
- Fourteenth: That he is not inherited by anyone at all. This was mentioned in the oath of absolution for when a man approaches death due to illness, most of his possessions are taken away, so that he does not have more than a third left for him. But the possessions of the prophet remained for him, as is evidenced in the verse of inheritance and in Surat Mariam.
- Fifteenth: His marriage is still considered effective after his death.
- Sixteenth: If he divorces a woman she remains prohibited to everyone and may not be married, "Nikah," to someone else.
"Yas-tan-kih" comes from the word "Yan’kah." For it is said in different forms "Nakaha" and "Istan-kaha" just as it is said "Ajab" and "Ista-jab"... It is permissible to use the word, "Istan-kaha," to mean one whom requests marriage or one who requests sexual intercourse. (Source)
We also provide Al-Zamakhshari's comments on surah 33:37:
Keep thy wife to thyself: that is, Zainab bint Jahsh. After having given her to Zaid ibn Haritha as a wife, the Messenger of God once caught sight of her, and she made an impression of him. At this sight he said: ‘Praise be to God who changes the heart!’ Previously his soul had turned away from her so that he had not desired her (as a wife). If he had desired her at that time, he would have asked her for her hand in marriage. Now Zainab heard of this praise and mentioned it to (her husband) Zaid, who understood and to whom God gave antipathy against her and aversion to intimacy with her. So Zaid said to the Messenger of God: ‘I might divorce my wife’; to which the latter replied: ‘What is it? Has something filled you with mistrust against her?’ Zaid answered: ‘By God, no! I have observed only good in her; yet her noble rank places her too high above me and causes me to feel hurt.’ Thereupon the Messenger of God said: ‘Keep thy wife to thyself and fear God.’ But Zaid (nevertheless) separated from her, and as soon as the waiting period (during which the wife may enter into no new marriage) had elapsed, the Messenger of God had said (to Zaid): ‘I have no one whom I trust more than you; therefore, seek the hand of Zainab for me!’
Zaid reported: I went forth and there I suddenly found her just as she was leavening some dough. As soon as I saw her she made such an impression on me, since I knew that the Messenger of God had been speaking of her ...
One may ask what the Prophet kept secret within himself. To this I answer: the fact that he was devoted to her in his heart. Others say: the wish that Zaid might separate from her. Still others say: his knowledge that Zaid would separate from her and that he would marry her, for God had already given this knowledge to him ...
(Further) one may ask what the Prophet should have said when Zaid informed him that he wanted to separate from Zainab, since it would have been objectionable if he had said: ‘Do it, for I want to marry her!’ To this I reply: It may perhaps be God's will that in this case he keep silent or say to Zaid: ‘You know your situation best.’ In this manner he would not have contradicted his secret which he (later) indicated had been revealed ... (Helmut Gtje, The Qur'an and its Exegesis [Routledge and Keagan Paul, London UK 1976], pp. 83-85; bold emphasis ours)
The final reference we present comes from modern Muslim writer Martin Lings:
Such demands as these upon the Prophet's time were not to be avoided; but there was a growing need that he should be protected in other ways, and the protection that now came was not unconnected with the following altogether unexpected event which served to emphasize his uniquely privileged position. It happened one day that he wanted to speak to Zayd about something and went to his house. Zaynab opened the door, and as she stood in the doorway telling him that Zayd was out but inviting him none the less to enter, a look passed between the two cousins which made each one conscious of a deep and lasting bond of love between them. In a moment the Prophet knew that Zaynab loved him and that he loved her and that she knew he loved her. But what could this mean? Surprised at the strength of his feeling, and as he turned to go she heard him say: "Glory to God the Infinite! Glory be to Him who disposeth men's hearts!" When Zayd returned she told him of the Prophet's visit and of the glorification she had heard him utter. Zayd immediately went to him and said: "I have been told thou camest unto my house. Why didst not enter, thou who art more to me than my father and my mother? Was it that Zaynab hath found favour with thee? If it be so, I will leave her." "Keep thy wife and fear God," said the Prophet with some insistence. He had said on another occasion: "Of all things licit the most hateful unto God is divorce." And when Zayd came again the next day with the same proposal, again the Prophet insisted that he should keep his wife. But the marriage between Zayd and Zaynab had not been a happy one and Zayd found it no longer tolerable, so by mutual agreement with Zaynab he divorced her. This did not, however, make Zaynab eligible as a wife for the Prophet for although the Koran had only specified that men were forbidden to marry the wives of sons spring from their loins, it was a strong social principle not to make a distinction between sons by birth and sons by adoption. Nor was the Prophet himself eligible, for he had already four wives, the most that the Islamic law allows. (Lings, Muhammad: His Life based on the earliest Sources [Inner Traditions International, Ltd., Rochester, Vermont 1983], pp. 212-213; bold and underline emphasis ours)
Thus, the Quran not only does not condemn adultery in every case, but actually permits it if the circumstances are ‘right’.
My response:
To the reader, please visit the following two articles for thorough refutations:
Women in Islam and the Bible - a detailed comparison.
Prophet Muhammad's section.
Adulterated Material, pornography and profanity in the Bible and lies
against Islam.
Pedophilia and terrorism in the Bible.
Womanizing and womanizers are condemned in the Glorious Quran.
Muhammad the Womanizer?
Is the Bible a womanizer for allowing polygamy in NT and OT? [1]
Some amazing Bible thumping quacks declare Islam a womanizing religion for allowing polygamy for up to four wives, while polygamy has no limits in the OT and NT:
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Jesus
allowed polygamy:
Matthew 19 Notice "another woman" got crossed. This is because the word "woman" is not there in the Greek, and the word for "another" also means similar. If we look at the Greek in https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/19-9.htm, we'll find this:
ἄλλην (allēn) 243: other, another If you click on 243, you'll see its definition: "another of the same kind; another of similar type."
It is quite ludicrous that the one and only verse that prohibits polygamy is not even talking about polygamy. Jesus warned against marrying already-married women irrespective of whether the man is single or married. This is further proven in:
Matthew 5:31-32 A man can marry multiple women, while the woman can only marry one man. Here Jesus warns that unlawful divorces will cause women, who would still be remaining married while thinking they've been divorced, to commit adultery. They would still be married to their former husbands. Keep in mind also that the men that Jesus was speaking to had many polygamists amongst them. So if Jesus was to prohibit polygamy, he would've said that if any married man after today marries another woman then he commits adultery. But no, he didn't even talk about polygamy at all.
Polygamy was Commanded by GOD: In the OT, polygamy is not only allowed, but it was also commanded by GOD in some cases [1].
Paul and Jesus allowed polygamy: Paul also allowed polygamy to the masses, and Jesus in other verses also allowed it to the masses. This is further discussed at: www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm. This article thoroughly proves that polygamy is indeed allowed in the New Testament, and that Christianity is built on false inspirations and "conjecture", exactly as Allah Almighty said in the Glorious Quran [1] about the religion of conjecture [1], Christianity. Again, it is quite ludicrous that the one and only verse that prohibits polygamy is not even talking about polygamy. This false religion of conjecture makes sinful things lawful and lawful things sinful [2] [3]. And that in itself is a blasphemy against GOD Almighty.
Islam is GOD Almighty's Divine Truth. To be 100% sure about this, visit: From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm:
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Bibles' Glorified
incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend
fornications:
Song of Solomon 3:4
Song of Solomon 7:10-12
Little sister & mom's bed:
Song of Songs 8:8-9
Song of Songs 8:8
What shall you (plural) do with
your little sister and her
little breasts? Let me
guess: Deflower her in your mentioned mother's bed?
The verse indeed calls for incest rape. Here is the more accurate translation: Song of Songs 8:8 Our sister is little, and hath no breasts. What shall we do to our sister before the day she marries? The gospel of porn's slang translation: Our little sister (many Christians consider this pornographic book to be about the virgin Mary [2]) is increasingly becoming more and more sexually attractive, and her breasts (the more honest translation to what the praised perverts really meant is: boobs or tits) are beginning to bulge. What must we do to our sister before she gets married off and deflowered by some husband? We are running out of time!!
That is why I asked above:
Deflower
her in your mentioned
mother's bed?! The alcohol-less Baptist is greater than Jesus: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, was greater than Jesus. The NT calls Jesus a fat drunk "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34). Jesus was addicted to alcohol: winebibber a habitual drinker of alcohol.
High Concentrations and Intoxication: Yahweh despised Jesus' wisdom: Luke 1:15 So according to the New Testament itself, we have: 1- John the baptist.
Woke is evil Israel's invention; from the same satanic cesspool:
Woke is one of Israel's lies. 9/11 is 100% an Israeli lie.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
Watch the video here. Sam Shamoun exposes the sex scandals of many inside his inner circle.
Their sister's vagina tastes like "wine": [1] AUDIO clip. (Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9). The Bible praises, and even promotes, incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornications: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. Notice "no one would criticize me" (Song of Songs 8:1), above. A husband and wife, or even a brother and sister, would not be criticized if people saw them walking to their home. Clearly, this is not a husband and wife relationship. And this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??
Praised Incest:
If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:
Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Also Visit:
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit. Mankind multiplied via cloning from Adam, not incest [1]: Evidence that Allah Almighty created the People of Adam through Cloning. (html backup). Another STUNNING Scientific Claim from Islam.Earth Cloning: Evidence from the Quran that Allah Almighty Created the 7 Heavens and all of their Earths from Cloning. See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:
www.google.com/search?q=What+are+all+the+pronouns+used+by+Lgbtq
The links above are for LGBTQ pronouns.
Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.
Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.
Masturbating on his sister: Now let me ask the horny creep in Song of Songs 8:8-9. How many times have you already masturbated on your sister in your thoughts? And did you also fantasize about your mother and her bed? Again, this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??
Fabricating books: Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
Bride is not wife: In the Middle East, there is no "boyfriend" and "girlfriend". If two are spoken of, or if two fall in love and want to get married, then the guy would call her his bride. This is close enough to a fiance. So in this gospel of porn, when he calls her his "bride", he's not calling her his wife as the barking sodomized-by-their-priests proclaim. It's a relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend. "Bride" is a Semitic language metaphor. In this gospel of porn, it is referring to his girlfriend. In the chaste world of Islam, a wife is one who had sexual intercourse with her husband. She now changed from being a bride to a wife. A bride has not yet had sex with her groom. They have not yet married. Song of Songs 4:8-12 Visit the following X-Rated pornography in the Bible article to see ample verses that thoroughly demonstrate that they were incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornicators:
Is the Bible a womanizer for allowing polygamy in NT and OT? [1] Some amazing Bible thumping quacks declare Islam a womanizing religion for allowing polygamy for up to four wives, while polygamy has no limits in the OT and NT:
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Lesbians rebuttal
- exposing Sam Shamoun's lies.
Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha! The
Bible's Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls
as young as 8!
Also, Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14.
Aisha and the Prophet Muhammad.
Did Prophet Muhammad really take
20% (fifth) of all of the Muslims'
booty gains?
Prophet
Muhammad's share, and
what he was
commanded to spend it on.
Aaron and his sons took 100% of
the money!
Jewish Rabbis were commanded to marry
only
virgin girls.
Why did Allah Almighty
prevent
the wives of Prophet Muhammad from marrying any man after him?
Did Prophet Muhammad really
marry his daughter in law?
From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm:
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Womanizing and womanizers are
condemned in the Glorious Quran. Allah Almighty said: "It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:52)" Throughout the entries above, we've seen how Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men and women to:
1- Be
always chaste. Islam does not condone womanizers. Neither the Prophet was a womanizer, nor does Islam condone womanizing. Islam honors marriage and considers its covenant to be a "Solemn Covenant". (ميثاقا غليظا). This ميثاقا غليظا was mentioned three times throughout the Glorious Quran: 1- The ميثاقا غليظا that Allah Almighty took between Him and His Prophets. 2- The ميثاقا غليظا that Allah Almighty took with the Jews on the holiness of the Sabbath. 3- The ميثاقا غليظا between the husband and the wife in Islam. See Noble Verses 4:21, 4:154, 33:7. |
33:52, 4:21, 4:154, 33:7 |
Now, I'd like to make a point that first of all how is any of this related to lesbianism in Islam?? Wasn't this ludicrous writer, Sam Shamoun, supposed to prove that Islam condones lesbianism? How are these irrelevant topics and stories exactly proving lesbianism in Islam?! Or is he just simply playing "straw man argument" (taking what he thinks is the weaker argument and concentrating on it while ignoring the main one)?
Aside from my detailed answers below, I'd like the reader to examine my following relevant article:
Now in regards to the marriage of the Prophet to Zaynab, my response will be broken down into the following sections:
1- Chastity in Islam.
2- Adopted sons are never the same as the biological sons from the loin! See the moral of the story of Zaynab's marriage to our Prophet in the Noble Quran.
3- Lust and covet in the Bible, even against 3-year old virgin slave girls, along with REAL TERRORISM. Yes three years old!
1- Chastity in Islam:
The whole purpose of Allah Almighty's Divine Command in Ordering women to cover up is to eliminate lust, sexual excitements, and covets among men and women in the society:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. (The Noble Quran, 24:31)"
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 33:59)"
Islam is not a Religion of lust and sex. Chastity
is a big deal in Islam. It is something that is honorable and
favorable in the Sight of Allah Almighty:
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"
"And those who guard their chastity, (The Noble Quran, 70:29)"
"This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). (The Noble Quran, 5:5)"
And like I mentioned above, even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. This is perfectly summed up in this Noble Verse:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
2- Adopted sons are never the same as the biological sons from the loin!
The moral of the story above is that Allah Almighty wanted to tell us that "adopted sons" are no sons! Even in Sam Shamoun's bible, they do not inherit. So them being called "sons" is really pointless. A biological son or daughter who biologically belongs to both the father and the mother of the family (made from their own sperm and egg) is an actual son or daughter! Anything else is nothing but man made. That is why Allah Almighty Said:
"Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear God." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God's command must be fulfilled. (The Noble Quran, 33:37)"
The underlined part in Noble Verse 33:37 is the moral of the story according to Allah Almighty.
"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"
It was part of the Arabs' culture back then to adopt sons and to give them their last
names. Zaid himself was adopted by Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and people
used to address as Zaid bin Muhammad. Allah Almighty saw
with His Divine Wisdom that this pagan practice must end. To eliminate any
confusions over the Laws of inheritance and genealogy, Allah Almighty once and for all
eliminated the man-made corruption of having the "adopted sons" carry other
peoples' family names and genealogies.
And as we clearly saw in the section above, Allah Almighty Commands Chastity and Honors it. Covetless societies is what Islam strives on building! Having men compete over the same woman, or having one man compete with another man over his wife is something that Islam, through practicality and realistic solutions, put an end to. Chaste-looking women who are covered very conservative cloths do not arouse evil in the society.
Like I mentioned above, women by nature can very dangerous, just as men by nature can be extremely brainless and stupid when they're sexually too high. Allah Almighty prevented the woman from abusing her natural and magical beauty and attraction to men by making it compulsory upon her to cover up, so that she can never become satan's tool to destroy the Chastity of the Muslim society.
So with all of this in mind, it is quite apparent that the marriage of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, with Zaynab was not something that Allah Almighty wanted to be an excuse for sin and lust. It was rather a complete elimination of the so-called "adopted sons" absurdity, and a clear cut evidence that an ex-wife of a former "adopted son" is not a former "daughter in law"!
So basically Allah Almighty hit two birds with one stone with this Divine Law.
All Praise and Glory due to Him.
3- Lust and covet in the Bible, even against 3-year old virgin slave girls, along with REAL TERRORISM:
Let us now turn the table around and see what Sam Shamoun will say about the following from his bible. Will he now disown his book? Using his standards, he has no choice but to leave it. Otherwise, he's a hypocrite. For everyone's convenience, I'll post my favorite detailed table for the reader to check out and judge for themselves:
Aisha in Islam: Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet (CLICK HERE): 1- See proofs, in the "Aisha being 9" article, from the Bible about little girls as young as 9 were married off and even sold off by their fathers as slave girls to men who were even older than their fathers. 2- See also irrefutable proofs that pedophilia and terrorism exist in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). During the Mosaic times in the Bible's Old Testament, 3-year old slave girls were literally forced into sex under Moses' Orders and Command. You sometimes have to read things twice to believe them! See also: Maiming of the enemies' bodies in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Cutting the hands and feet of the enemies in the Bible, and hanging their live bodies on trees until they DIE. *** Killing of innocent children in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). *** X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). *** Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. Please visit: The age of Aisha, girls similar to her in the Bible, and unbelievable pedophilia against 3-year old slave babies in the pedophilic Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Also visit: Why Muta (temporary) Marriage was allowed and why it was discontinued. |
He wrote:
Actually, Muhammad’s so-called privileges, such as having wives of his liking, even led some people to accuse him of being a womanizer:
... Layla bt. al-Khatim b. 'Adi b. 'Amr b. Sawad b. Zafar b. al-Harith b. al-Khazraj approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun, and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked who it was, and she replied, "I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla bt. al-Khatim. I have come to offer myself [in marriage] to you, so marry me." He replied, "I accept." She went back to her people and said that the Messenger of God had married her. They said, "What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting woman, but the Prophet is a womanizer. Seek an annulment from him." She went back to the Prophet and asked him to revoke the marriage and he complied with [her request]. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany, 1990], Volume IX, p. 139; bold emphasis ours)
My response:
Absolute nonsense! Ever since when the disbelievers' opinion on our beloved Prophet was a just and objective one? Of course they're going to say negative things about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
Notice how the quote itself refutes Sam Shamoun's dumb point. Have the Prophet been a true womanizer, meaning he is obsessed with women, he would not have annulled the marriage with Layla without even touching her, would he?
Hilarious indeed!
Any pornographic and drunkard bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", would've enjoyed her for at least one night and then divorced her, that if he would even divorce her! But no, our Beloved and Blessed Prophet let her go on her own without violating her will and desires.
Thank you Mr. Shamoun for helping me prove the Beauty of our beloved Prophet Muhammad!
Again, Prophet Muhammad's wives were mostly divorced and widow women. His marriages were for mainly political reasons. If he married a woman from a tribe, then he'd save the Muslims bloodshed and battles with that tribe, and ultimately, that tribe would embrace Islam through this marriage.
Islam does not condone womanizers. Neither the Prophet was a womanizer, nor does Islam condone womanizing. Islam honors marriage and considers its covenant to be a Solemn Covenant! (ميثاقا غليظا). For more, visit the following sections:
Women in Islam and the Bible - a detailed comparison.
Prophet Muhammad's section.
Adulterated Material, pornography and profanity in the Bible and lies
against Islam.
Pedophilia and terrorism in the Bible.
Womanizing and womanizers are condemned in the Glorious Quran.
Muhammad the Womanizer?
Is the Bible a womanizer for allowing polygamy in NT and OT? [1]
Some amazing Bible thumping quacks declare Islam a womanizing religion for allowing polygamy for up to four wives, while polygamy has no limits in the OT and NT:
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Jesus
allowed polygamy:
Matthew 19 Notice "another woman" got crossed. This is because the word "woman" is not there in the Greek, and the word for "another" also means similar. If we look at the Greek in https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/19-9.htm, we'll find this:
ἄλλην (allēn) 243: other, another If you click on 243, you'll see its definition: "another of the same kind; another of similar type."
It is quite ludicrous that the one and only verse that prohibits polygamy is not even talking about polygamy. Jesus warned against marrying already-married women irrespective of whether the man is single or married. This is further proven in:
Matthew 5:31-32 A man can marry multiple women, while the woman can only marry one man. Here Jesus warns that unlawful divorces will cause women, who would still be remaining married while thinking they've been divorced, to commit adultery. They would still be married to their former husbands. Keep in mind also that the men that Jesus was speaking to had many polygamists amongst them. So if Jesus was to prohibit polygamy, he would've said that if any married man after today marries another woman then he commits adultery. But no, he didn't even talk about polygamy at all.
Polygamy was Commanded by GOD: In the OT, polygamy is not only allowed, but it was also commanded by GOD in some cases [1].
Paul and Jesus allowed polygamy: Paul also allowed polygamy to the masses, and Jesus in other verses also allowed it to the masses. This is further discussed at: www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm. This article thoroughly proves that polygamy is indeed allowed in the New Testament, and that Christianity is built on false inspirations and "conjecture", exactly as Allah Almighty said in the Glorious Quran [1] about the religion of conjecture [1], Christianity. Again, it is quite ludicrous that the one and only verse that prohibits polygamy is not even talking about polygamy. This false religion of conjecture makes sinful things lawful and lawful things sinful [2] [3]. And that in itself is a blasphemy against GOD Almighty.
Islam is GOD Almighty's Divine Truth. To be 100% sure about this, visit: From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm:
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Bibles' Glorified
incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend
fornications:
Song of Solomon 3:4
Song of Solomon 7:10-12
Little sister & mom's bed:
Song of Songs 8:8-9
Song of Songs 8:8
What shall you (plural) do with
your little sister and her
little breasts? Let me
guess: Deflower her in your mentioned mother's bed?
The verse indeed calls for incest rape. Here is the more accurate translation: Song of Songs 8:8 Our sister is little, and hath no breasts. What shall we do to our sister before the day she marries? The gospel of porn's slang translation: Our little sister (many Christians consider this pornographic book to be about the virgin Mary [2]) is increasingly becoming more and more sexually attractive, and her breasts (the more honest translation to what the praised perverts really meant is: boobs or tits) are beginning to bulge. What must we do to our sister before she gets married off and deflowered by some husband? We are running out of time!!
That is why I asked above:
Deflower
her in your mentioned
mother's bed?! The alcohol-less Baptist is greater than Jesus: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, was greater than Jesus. The NT calls Jesus a fat drunk "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34). Jesus was addicted to alcohol: winebibber a habitual drinker of alcohol.
High Concentrations and Intoxication: Yahweh despised Jesus' wisdom: Luke 1:15 So according to the New Testament itself, we have: 1- John the baptist.
Woke is evil Israel's invention; from the same satanic cesspool:
Woke is one of Israel's lies. 9/11 is 100% an Israeli lie.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
Watch the video here. Sam Shamoun exposes the sex scandals of many inside his inner circle.
Their sister's vagina tastes like "wine": [1] AUDIO clip. (Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9). The Bible praises, and even promotes, incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornications: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. Notice "no one would criticize me" (Song of Songs 8:1), above. A husband and wife, or even a brother and sister, would not be criticized if people saw them walking to their home. Clearly, this is not a husband and wife relationship. And this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??
Praised Incest:
If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:
Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Also Visit:
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit. Mankind multiplied via cloning from Adam, not incest [1]: Evidence that Allah Almighty created the People of Adam through Cloning. (html backup). Another STUNNING Scientific Claim from Islam.Earth Cloning: Evidence from the Quran that Allah Almighty Created the 7 Heavens and all of their Earths from Cloning. See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:
www.google.com/search?q=What+are+all+the+pronouns+used+by+Lgbtq
The links above are for LGBTQ pronouns.
Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.
Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.
Masturbating on his sister: Now let me ask the horny creep in Song of Songs 8:8-9. How many times have you already masturbated on your sister in your thoughts? And did you also fantasize about your mother and her bed? Again, this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??
Fabricating books: Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
Bride is not wife: In the Middle East, there is no "boyfriend" and "girlfriend". If two are spoken of, or if two fall in love and want to get married, then the guy would call her his bride. This is close enough to a fiance. So in this gospel of porn, when he calls her his "bride", he's not calling her his wife as the barking sodomized-by-their-priests proclaim. It's a relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend. "Bride" is a Semitic language metaphor. In this gospel of porn, it is referring to his girlfriend. In the chaste world of Islam, a wife is one who had sexual intercourse with her husband. She now changed from being a bride to a wife. A bride has not yet had sex with her groom. They have not yet married. Song of Songs 4:8-12 Visit the following X-Rated pornography in the Bible article to see ample verses that thoroughly demonstrate that they were incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornicators:
Is the Bible a womanizer for allowing polygamy in NT and OT? [1] Some amazing Bible thumping quacks declare Islam a womanizing religion for allowing polygamy for up to four wives, while polygamy has no limits in the OT and NT:
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Lesbians rebuttal
- exposing Sam Shamoun's lies.
Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha! The
Bible's Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls
as young as 8!
Also, Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14.
Aisha and the Prophet Muhammad.
Did Prophet Muhammad really take
20% (fifth) of all of the Muslims'
booty gains?
Prophet
Muhammad's share, and
what he was
commanded to spend it on.
Aaron and his sons took 100% of
the money!
Jewish Rabbis were commanded to marry
only
virgin girls.
Why did Allah Almighty
prevent
the wives of Prophet Muhammad from marrying any man after him?
Did Prophet Muhammad really
marry his daughter in law?
From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm:
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Womanizing and womanizers are
condemned in the Glorious Quran. Allah Almighty said: "It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:52)" Throughout the entries above, we've seen how Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men and women to:
1- Be
always chaste. Islam does not condone womanizers. Neither the Prophet was a womanizer, nor does Islam condone womanizing. Islam honors marriage and considers its covenant to be a "Solemn Covenant". (ميثاقا غليظا). This ميثاقا غليظا was mentioned three times throughout the Glorious Quran: 1- The ميثاقا غليظا that Allah Almighty took between Him and His Prophets. 2- The ميثاقا غليظا that Allah Almighty took with the Jews on the holiness of the Sabbath. 3- The ميثاقا غليظا between the husband and the wife in Islam. See Noble Verses 4:21, 4:154, 33:7. |
33:52, 4:21, 4:154, 33:7 |
Any pornographic and drunkard bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", would've enjoyed her for at least one night and then divorced her, that if he would even divorce her! But no, our Beloved and Blessed Prophet let her go on her own without violating her will and desires.
Thank you Mr. Shamoun for helping me prove the Beauty of our beloved Prophet Muhammad!
He wrote:
The Quran also gives Muslim men the right to have as many slave girls as they choose:
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. S. 4:3 Y. Ali
And who guard their private parts, Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable, S. 23:5-6 Shakir
O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful... It is not allowed thee to take (other) women henceforth, nor that thou shouldst change them for other wives even though their beauty pleased thee, save those whom thy right hand possesseth. And Allah is ever Watcher over all things. S. 33:50, 52
And those who guard their private parts, Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess -- for these surely are not to be blamed, S. 70:29-30 Shakir
In light of such privileges, what need is there for Muslim men to commit adultery seeing that they can have sex galore with as many captive and slave women as they like?!
My response:
When it comes to slavery, Islam actually came to gradually end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery. Before I clearly demonstrate this from the Noble Quran, I'd like first to expose Sam Shamoun's hypocrisy and stupidity by giving him the following form his gospel of porn bible, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
The following response will be broken down in two sections:
1- Slavery and rapes in the bible.
2- Islam came to END slavery as clearly demonstrated in the Noble Quran.
1- Slavery and rapes in the Bibles:
Keeping and inheriting slaves and their children for life:
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
Slaves are property:
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 21:20-21)"
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
A father can sell his daughter as slave girl to other men:
Exodus 21:7-8
7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave,
she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.
8 If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.
Raping of 3-year old slave girls:
Numbers 31:17-18
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman
who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man."
Aside from the killing of innocent children, which happened before also in the bible as shown in the next set of verses, but the historical elaborations from the Jews' Talmud regarding the events that took place in verses Numbers 31:17-18 say that Moses and his men forced into sex 3-year old slave girls:
"....The Tannatic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in 157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
"....According to the Tannate Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm)
Bibliography:
[131] Ibid., vol.XXI.A-D, Tractate Bava Mesia, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1990, p.ix-x.
[132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.
[133] Ibid., vol.XXV.A, Tractate Abodah Zarah, 1991, 168. Emphasis original.
[134] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia. A complete outline, Part IV. The Division of Holy Things. B. Number 37. 1995, 704.
[135] Neusner 1993, 41.
[136] Neusner 1995, 7.
[137] Kuhn 1959, 157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.
[138] Ibid., 157, footnote 86, 653.
(https://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm)
2- Islam came to END slavery as clearly demonstrated in the Noble Quran:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/incomplete_rebuttal.htm#slavery:
The example of ending slavery in Islam:
Perhaps the best example I can provide regarding Laws developing gradually in the Noble Quran is the ending of the Judeo-Christians' and Pagans' slavery in Arabia. Let us look at the following Noble Verses:
Slavery seems to be allowed:
Note: "Right hand possession" are the human-captives of war who lived as slaves among Muslims.
"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For God loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;- (The Noble Quran, 4:36)"
"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"
"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. (The Noble Quran, 4:24)"
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:25)"
Freeing of slaves is Commanded by Allah Almighty:
"It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. (The Noble Quran, 2:177)" "Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to God: for God hath all knowledge and all wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 4:92)" "God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful. (The Noble Quran, 5:89)" "But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered, (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and God is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 58:3)"Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
Narrated Asma: "No doubt the Prophet ordered people to manumit slaves during the solar eclipse. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Eclipses, Volume 2, Book 18, Number 163)"
"'Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that 'Umar b. Khattab asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as he was at ji'rana (a town near Mecca) on his way back from Ta'if: Messenger of Allah, I had taken a vow during the days of Ignorance that I would observe I'tikaf for one day in the Sacred Mosque. So what is your opinion? He said: Go and observe I'tikaf for a day. And Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave him a slave girl out of the one-fifth (of the spoils of war meant for the Holy Prophet). And when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) set the war prisoners free. 'Umar b. Khattab heard their voice as they were saying: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has set us free. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: What is this? They said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has set free the prisoners of war (which had fallen to the lot of people). Thereupon he (Hadrat 'Umar) said: Abdullah, go to that slave-girl and set her free. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4074)"
If a slave requests his freedom from the Muslim master, he can get it:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm:
First, it is important to know that thousands of years ago life was different than today. Today, people wouldn't accept slavery for any reason. The reason for this is because people are a lot more independent both financially, education wise, mentally, etc... But people back then were different. When a tribe or a group of people lose a major battle and their money is mostly, if not all, is taken as war booty by the other side, then people could and would accept being slaves for the following reasons:
1- Both financial and social security. When their country or tribe lost the war, they also lost most or all of their money as war booty. Being out of money and food, it becomes necessary for an individual to find the means for basic survival in life. Living as a slave would provide this.
2- Protection from hostile individuals. Even under the Islamic rule, you can still find hostile individuals who violate the Law and take matters into their own hands. An enemy family can be sometime in danger if they don't have a "protector".
3- Widows, Orphans, and the extremely poor of the enemy side need the financial and social protection from a Master. Back then, there were no governments with good social system that protects everyone. Slavery back then was that social system in special cases.
There are probably more points I can add, but I think these are sufficient enough. Let us now see the Islamic System toward Slaves:
Yes slaves were taken from the blood-thirsty and hostile enemies, but they were also given the right to get their freedom when ever they want. The Noble Quran not only allows slaves to request their freedom from their Muslim masters, but also orders the Muslim masters to pay the slaves money to help them stand on their feet and to be able to face life with a good jump start.
Let us look at Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)," In this Noble Verse, we see that if a slave requests his freedom from his Muslim master, then his master not only must help him earn his freedom if there is good in the Slave, but also pay him money so the slave can have a good start in his free life.
"The law of slavery in the legal sense of the term is now obsolete. While it had any meaning, Islam made the slave's lot as easy as possible. A slave, male or female, could ask for conditional manumission by a written deed fixing the amount required for manumission and allowing the slave meanwhile to earn money by lawful means and perhaps marry and bring up a family. Such a deed was not to be refused if the request was genuine and the slave had character. Not only that, but the master is directed to help with money out of his own resources in order to enable the slave to earn his or her own liberty." [3]
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said:
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
The Bottom line is:
The bottom line is that in order for the Muslims to remain as a purified and GOD Almighty-fearing and obeying society, one of the requirements that they had to accomplish was to gradually and completely eliminate slavery - the same slavery that was at its peak during the Jews', Christians' and Pagans' times.
For more details, please visit: Human equality and freedom in Islam VS the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
He wrote:
There even are commentators, while commenting on specific Quranic passages, who say that incestuous relations are permitted in certain instances. The Quran says in surah 25:54:
And He it is Who hath created man from water, and hath appointed for him kindred by blood and kindred by marriage; for thy Lord is ever Powerful. Pickthall
Al-Qurtubi wrote regarding this passage:
Explanation of Surah 25:54 by Imam Qurtubi:
"It is He Who has created man from water: Then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things)." (Surah 25:54)
Regarding the terms "lineage and relationship through marriage":
(Shamoun the liar and his friend fabricated this quote.....See below!)
Lineage and relationship through marriage are two terms that describe the personal relationships that may exist between humans. Ibn Al-Arabi said, "Lineage is an expression referring to the mixture of fluids between a male and a female from a religious legal point of view. However, if this union (between male and female) occurs through disobedience (fornication) then the resulting child is not considered a part of a person’s true lineage. That is why a daughter born from adultery is not mentioned in Allah’s saying, ‘Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers and daughters’ (Surah 4:23) because she is not considered a daughter according to the most authentic teaching of our (Islamic) scholars and the most authentic teaching of our religion. If there is no legal lineage then there is no legal relationship; for adultery does not prohibit (from marriage) the daughter of the mother (you committed adultery with) nor the mother of a woman (you committed adultery with). What is lawfully prohibited is not also prohibited due to sin, for Allah has bestowed lineage and relation through marriage upon His servants and greatly esteemed these relationships. Allah has also established laws identifying what is legal and what is prohibited, which are not equal to each other; therefore falsehood cannot be a part of these laws."
I (Qurtubi) said: The scholars have differed on the permissibility of a man marrying his daughter who was the result of an adulterous relationship; or for that matter marrying his sister or granddaughter who was the result of adultery. Some prohibited this type of relationship; among them was Ibn Al Qasim, which is also the saying of Abu Hanifa and his companions. Others however, allowed this type of marriage such as Abdul Malik Al Maj’shun, which is also the saying of Al Shafi’i. This was detailed in the explanation of Surah 4 (Al Nisa’).
(Taken from Al-Azhar’s website: source; translated by our dear brother Dimitrius.)
Thus, certain Muslim scholars and Islamic schools of jurisprudence allow for a man to marry his very own daughter, as long as she was born from an adulterous relationship!
My response:
First, marrying your children in the Bible!
The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!
Second,
Shamoun the liar fabricated the quote "lineage and relationship through marriage" above! Read the quotes that he quoted again from the Noble Quran!
Also, his translation of the Arabic is wrong, because the Arabic interpretation doesn't say marriage either:
The liar and his friend are busted in this one!
Shamoun is Middle Eastern and knows Arabic.
My Detailed Refutation to the Clowns ("scholars") above!
The following is a detailed and thorough refutation from the Noble Quran to the clowns and weasels who considered themselves as "scholars" that Sam Shamoun used.
Note: Pay close attention to the "Ultimate Refutation" sub-sections below!
The sections of this response will be as follow:
1- The status of bastard children in Islam.
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2- The status of bastards and women in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
3- Only in the Bible are parents allowed to marry their children in some cases!
1- The status of bastard children in Islam:
I'd like to soundly refute the absurdity of those who misinterpreted and harmed the Truth of the Noble Quran when they said that a father can marry his bastard daughter, by presenting the facts straight from the Noble Quran Itself.
First allow me to answer this question by reversing the scenario a little bit. Let's say there is single woman who committed fornication with a stranger and she got pregnant from him and bore a male child.
Question: Can this bastard child marry his mother when he grows up?
Here we have this woman who had to go through a great deal of agony in the 9 months of pregnancy, and a greater deal of pain, almost to a death point, when she gave birth to him.
Yet, we can't call her his mother?!
Says who?!
Allah Almighty never Said that!
Islam is very clear about biological children. The following Noble Verses clearly prove this:
"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"
You mothers can never become your wives!!!
"Prohibited to you (For marriage)
are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters,
Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who
gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under
your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition
if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding
from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for
what is past; for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful;-
(The Noble Quran, 4:23)"
"It is He Who brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers when ye knew nothing; and He gave you hearing and sight and intelligence and affections: that ye may give thanks (to God). (The Noble Quran, 16:78)"
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"
Allah Almighty in this Noble Verse is not speaking just to Muslims. He is addressing all of humanity, and He is Telling them that everyone of us was created from a male and female, i.e., a male's sperm and a female's egg!
"God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases Is) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al- wise. (The Noble Quran, 4:11)"
"They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth God make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And God hath knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 4:176)"
Now in the case of my question above, suppose this bastard son becomes very rich and dies before his mother dies. Why can't we apply the Law of Inheritance to her? Isn't she his biological mother?
Also notice in Noble Verse 4:176, Allah Almighty never mentioned, in the underlined parts, that if the woman had a husband and/or he was dead!
No mention of any husband here! So in the case of the bastard child and his mother, if she was rich and she dies, then Noble Verse 4:176 CLEARLY!!!!! says that he would inherit her wealth.
I- The Ultimate Refutation to the absurd "scholars" above!!!
"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"
You mothers can never become your wives!!!
"Prohibited to you (For marriage)
are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters,
Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who
gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under
your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition
if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding
from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for
what is past; for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful;-
(The Noble Quran, 4:23)"
"The Day ye shall see it, EVERY MOTHER giving suck shall forget her suckling- babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): thou shalt see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of God. (The Noble Quran, 22:2)"
This Prophecy about the Day of Judgement is the perfect annihilation to the absurd "scholars" above that Sam Shamoun quoted! In Mr. Shamoun's Christian western societies, perhaps tens millions of children are born as bastards every year!
They were, and still are, and will always be, born from girlfriends, and not from chaste wives!
***** Plus their marriages are not Islamic anyway! *****
95% of Americans had premarital sex according to a new study!
But notice Allah Almighty Saying that those "every mother
giving suck" to their infants, they will forget about those
infants because of the overwhelming fear that they will see and experience. Again,
it doesn't say Muslim mothers!!!!!! It talked about ALL MOTHERS on earth!!!!!!!!
"And God did create you from dust; then from a
sperm-drop; then He made you in pairs. And no female conceives, or lays down (her load),
but with His knowledge. Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor
is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained). All this is easy to God.
(The Noble Quran, 35:11)"
Again, Allah Almighty is Talking about the mothers, "female conceives", giving birth by His Knowledge. All Praise due to Him.
"Now, when he came to them in Truth, from Us, they said, "Slay
the sons of those who believe with him, and keep alive their females,"
but the plots of Unbelievers (end) in nothing but errors (and delusions)!... (The Noble Quran, 40:25)"
II- Another Ultimate Refutation to the absurd "scholars" above:
Muslims, who left their pagan families (parents, siblings and relatives) 1500 years ago,
were Commanded to be good to their parents:
Important Note: Never did Allah Almighty Say be good only to your Believing parents. He only Said parents!
"Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. (The Noble Quran, 17:23)"
"We have enjoined on MAN kindness to parents: but if they (either of them) strive (to force) thee to join with Me (in worship) anything of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not. Ye have (all) to return to me, and I will tell you (the truth) of all that ye did. (The Noble Quran, 29:8)"
"And We have enjoined on MAN (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal. (The Noble Quran, 31:14)"
"We have enjoined on MAN kindness to his parents: IN PAIN DID HIS MOTHER BEAR HIM, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is (a period of) thirty months. At length, when he reaches the age of full strength and attains forty years, he says, "O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly do I bow (to Thee) in Islam." (The Noble Quran, 46:15)"
Very Important Note: Notice in Noble Verses 29:8, 31:14 and 46:15, They Talk about all humans and not just Believing Muslims.
Notice also how Allah Almighty Recognized the suffering of the MOTHER in Noble Verse 46:15!
"In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth"
"And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but God; treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now). (The Noble Quran, 2:83)"
"They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -God knoweth it well. (The Noble Quran, 2:215)"
"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For God loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;- (The Noble Quran, 4:36)"
"Say: "Come, I will rehearse what God hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 6:151)"
"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well- acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:135)"
In this Noble Verse 4:135, like I mentioned above, most Muslims, especially during the early days of Islam, left their parents and relatives and joined Islam. Yet they were Commanded to be kind to them as mentioned in all of the Noble Verses above, and to stand firmly for justice even if it was against them!
III- Abraham's intercession to his disbelieving parents that will be rejected!
The following Noble Verses and Hadith (Saying of Prophet Muhammad) were actually mentioned
by Mr. Sam Shamoun himself at: https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/intercession_rebuttal.htm.
On the Day of Judgement, Abraham, peace be upon him, will say the following:
"O our Lord! cover (us) with Thy Forgiveness - me, my parents, and (all) Believers, on the Day that the Reckoning will be established! (The Noble Quran, 14:41)"
"Forgive my father, for that he is among those astray; (The Noble Quran, 26:86)"
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection
Abraham will meet his father Azar whose face will be dark and covered with dust. (The
Prophet Abraham will say to him): ‘Didn't I tell you not to disobey me?’ His
father will reply: ‘Today I will not disobey you.’ Abraham will say:
‘O Lord! You promised me not to disgrace me on the Day of Resurrection; and what will
be more disgraceful to me than cursing and dishonoring my father?’ Then Allah will
say (to him): ‘I have forbidden Paradise for the disbelievers (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him)."
Then he will be addressed, ‘O Abraham! Look! What is underneath your feet?’ He
will look and there he will see a Dhabh (an animal,) blood-stained, which will be caught
by the legs and thrown in the (Hell) Fire." (Sahih
Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 569)
These should be more than enough evidence to prove that in Islam, a father is a father and
a mother is a mother, and a sister is a sister, and a brother is a brother, etc... no
mater what their religious belief is!
The fact that Allah Almighty Himself Recognized Abraham's infidel father as his actual biological father clearly disproves the absurd "scholars" above!
2- The status of bastards and women in the Bibles:
First of all, as in the link above, the Bible clearly allows for parents to marry their children in Leviticus 20:21:
The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!
Sam Shamoun's bible actually punishes the bastard children for the sin that their parents committed. How is it fair for a person, let alone a child, to be punished for something that he/she never did?
Deuteronomy 23:1-3
1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut
off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their
tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:
Revelation 14:4
The birth of females causes double the
pollution!
Leviticus 12:2-5
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days."
And it is a "loss"!
Ecclesiasticus 22:3
Leviticus 15:19-30
For more proofs, visit:
How do the Bible and Islam view women?
So regardless of the person's faith and goodness, bastards and women are still defiled creatures. Compare this to the Noble Quran:
"Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an apostle (to give warning). (The Noble Quran, 17:15)"
"Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to God. (The Noble Quran, 35:18)"
"Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another; (The Noble Quran, 53:38)"
"On no soul do We place a burden greater than it can bear: before Us is a record which clearly shows the truth: they will never be wronged. (The Noble Quran, 23:62)"
"If ye reject (God), Truly God hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men's) hearts. (The Noble Quran, 39:7)"
"Whoever recommends and helps a good cause becomes a partner therein: And whoever recommends and helps an evil cause, shares in its burden: And God hath power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 4:85)"
The status of women:
There is a great deal of good in some women: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"
Men and women were created for each others, in order to live in peace, harmony and love with each others as husbands and wives: "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
Men can not harm their wives: "...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"
"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"
Righteous women are those who are loyal and obedient to their husbands: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (The Noble Quran, 4:34)"
Men can't have sex with their women during Menses, but they can sleep with them and touch them: "They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. (The Noble Quran, 2:222)"
Maimuna (the wife of the Holy Prophet) reported: "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) contacted and embraced his wives over the waist-wrapper when they were menstruating. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0579)"
Women have equal rights for them and against them: "..and for women are rights equal to the rights against them but men have a degree over them (in the context of divorce) in what is just. (The Noble Quran, 2:228)"
The birth of a female is not a biggest tragedy and the end of the world as it is in the Bibles: "When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from his people, Because of the bad news He has had! Shall he retain it On (sufferance and) contempt, Or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) They decide on? (The Noble Quran, 16:58-59)" So considering the birth of females as a bad thing is evil by itself in the Noble Quran.
Also, the Prophet peace be upon him said: Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone cares for three daughters, disciplines them, marries them, and does good to them, he will go to Paradise. (Translation of Sunan abu Dawud, Book 41, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Number 5128)"
Women have the right for the highest education, unlike what some Muslim fanatics claim: Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari: "The Prophet said, 'He who has a slave-girl and teaches her good manners and improves her education and then manumits and marries her, will get a double reward; and any slave who observes Allah's right and his master's right will get a double reward.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Manumission of Slaves, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 723)"
"....Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition. (The Noble Quran, 39:9)"
"...Those truly fear God, among His Servants, who have knowledge: for God is Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving. (The Noble Quran, 35:28)"
By the way, I once debated some Muslim fanatics regarding the education of women issue, and from what I gathered from them, they indirectly claimed that they feel threatened by learned wives who are "independent", because they would "challenge their authority", and would be "harder to control". So, the fanatics' views about keeping women unlearned and illiterate as the Taliban did when they ruled Afghanistan is only their personal opinion that is not based on Islamic doctrine.
Unsecured men do not represent Islam. I don't have to oppress my wife and keep her down in order for me to keep our marriage. No, I instead use Noble Verse 30:21 when dealing with my wife: "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
3- Only in the Bible are parents allowed to marry their children in some cases!
As we clearly saw above, Sam Shamoun's absurd points had been thoroughly and
soundly debunked by Allah Almighty's Grace, Mercy and Will. Not only that, but
his own lies are only found in his Bible, because only his Bible allows for parents
to marry their children in some cases:
Marrying your children in the Bible!
The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!
So checkmate to Shamoun!
He wrote:
Furthermore, Osama puts the cart before the horse, so to speak, since he already has a presumed definition of what being chaste implies. He assumes that being chaste means refraining from lesbian relations. But, one can argue and say that being chaste means that a person can engage in sexual acts, whether it is with a member of the opposite sex or one of the same sex, provided that their dowers are given, and that they do so in a marital bond or contract. In other words, Osama can’t simply assume his definition of ‘chaste’ or ‘marriage’. Rather, he must first prove his position with EXPLICIT statements from the Quran.
Osama thinks he has done so by appealing to surah 4:15, since there it speaks of women who have committed fahishah. Osama thinks that both the Arabic term fahishah and the English word lewdness necessarily imply lesbianism. But as we shall now see, this is not the case at all, but is simply Osama’s wishful thinking and erroneous exegesis. Neither the Arabic fahishah nor the word lewdness necessarily implies that lesbianism is being addressed. Note how the following dictionaries define lewd and lewdness:
lewd
adj. lewder, lewdest1a. Preoccupied with sex and sexual desire; lustful. b. Obscene; indecent. 2. Obsolete. Wicked.
(Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, 2000)
Main Entry: lewd
Pronunciation: 'ld
Function: adjective
: involving or being sexual conduct that is considered indecent or offensive : LICENTIOUS <convicted of lewd and lascivious assault upon a child —National Law Journal> —lewdly adverb —lewdness noun
(Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.)
lewd
\Lewd\ (l[=u]d), a. [Compar. Lewder (-[~e]r); superl. Lewdest.] [OE. lewed, lewd, lay, ignorant, vile, AS. l[=ae]wed laical, belonging to the laity.] 1. Not clerical; laic; laical; hence, unlearned; simple. [Obs.]
For if a priest be foul, on whom we trust, No wonder is a lewed man to rust. --Chaucer.
So these great clerks their little wisdom show To mock the lewd, as learn'd in this as they. --Sir. J. Davies.
2. Belonging to the lower classes, or the rabble; idle and lawless; bad; vicious. [Archaic] --Chaucer.
But the Jews, which believed not, . . . took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, . . . and assaulted the house of Jason. --Acts xvii. 5.
Too lewd to work, and ready for any kind of mischief. --Southey.
3. Given to the promiscuous indulgence of lust; dissolute; lustful; libidinous. --Dryden.
4. Suiting, or proceeding from, lustfulness; involving unlawful sexual desire; as, lewd thoughts, conduct, or language.
Syn: Lustful; libidinous; licentious; profligate; dissolute; sensual; unchaste; impure; lascivious; lecherous; rakish; debauched. -- Lewd\"ly, adv. -- Lewd\"ness, n.(Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.)
lewd
adj 1: suggestive of or tending to moral looseness; "lewd whisperings of a dirty old man"; "an indecent gesture"; "obscene telephone calls"; "salacious limericks" [syn: obscene, raunchy, salacious] 2: driven by lust; preoccupied with or exhibiting lustful desires; "libidinous orgies" [syn: lascivious, libidinous, lustful] (Source: WordNet 2.0, 2003 Princeton University)
The broad range of meanings show that Osama is erroneously assuming that lewdness, in the context of surah 4:15, is indeed referring to lesbianism, as opposed to a whole host of other things. Besides all this, Osama has to first show that the Quran considers lesbianism to be an unchaste and immoral act in order to conclude that being a lesbian is to engage in lewd behavior.
This leads us to the Arabic word, fahishah. The word is used in many places in the Quran with a broad range of meaning, similar to the English word lewd or lewdness. It is even used in connection with the people of Lot, but even in those specific passages, it is the context that shows that fahishah is referring to the homosexual inclinations of Lot’s people.
But not every context where fahishah is used refers to homosexual acts.
He enjoineth upon you only the evil and the foul (waalfahsha-i), and that ye should tell concerning Allah that which ye know not. S. 2:169 Pickthall
The Evil one threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly (bialfahsha-i). God promiseth you His forgiveness and bounties. And God careth for all and He knoweth all things. S. 2:268 Y. Ali
O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straighten them in order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly; then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it. S. 4:19 Shakir
When they do aught that is shameful (fahishatan), they say: "We found our fathers doing so"; and "God commanded us thus": Say: "Nay, God never commands what is shameful: do ye say of God what ye know not?" S. 7:28 Y. Ali
She verily desired him, and he would have desired her if it had not been that he saw the argument of his Lord. Thus it was, that We might ward off from him evil and lewdness (waalfahshaa). Lo! he was of Our chosen slaves. S. 12:24 Pickthall
Surely Allah enjoins the doing of justice and the doing of good (to others) and the giving to the kindred, and He forbids indecency (alfahsha-i) and evil and rebellion; He admonishes you that you may be mindful. S. 16:90 Shakir
Lo! those who love that slander (alfahishatu) should be spread concerning those who believe, theirs will be a painful punishment in the world and the Hereafter. Allah knoweth. Ye know not. S. 24:19 Pickthall
O ye who believe! follow not Satan's footsteps: if any will follow the footsteps of Satan, he will (but) command what is shameful (bialfahsha-i) and wrong: and were it not for the grace and mercy of God on you, not one of you would ever have been pure: but God doth purify whom He pleases: and God is One Who hears and knows (all things). S. 24:21 Y. Ali
Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful (alfahsha-i) and unjust deeds; and remembrance of God is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And God knows the (deeds) that ye do. 29:45 Y. Ali
In some of the examples, the precise meaning of the word is unspecified. Yet in 24:19, 21, it speaks of a slanderous report which Islamic traditions say refers to the slander of Aisha, where she was accused of adultery. And in 12:24, it refers to Joseph being protected from committing adultery with Potiphar’s wife.
In fact, Muslims have traditionally understood surah 4:15 to be referring to adultery. A. Yusuf Ali noted:
523. Most commentators understand this to refer to adultery or fornication; in that case they consider that the punishment was altered by the later verse, xxiv. 2. (Source)
Interestingly, this online version of Ali’s translation and notes, as well as many of the newer printed editions of Ali’s text, omitted a substantial part of what Ali originally said at this point. Here is the remainder of his commentary:
... But I think it refers to unnatural crime between women, analogous to unnatural crime between men in iv. 16 below : because (1) no punishment is specified here for the man, as would be the case where a man was involved in the crime ; (2) the word al-lati, the purely feminine plural of al-lati, is used for the parties to the crime ; (3) the punishment is indefinite ; see the next note but one. (Ali, The Holy Qur’an: Translation and Commentary, p. 183)
Even though Ali disagrees with the consensus position, his reference to unnatural crime is unspecified.
Renowned Muslim commentator Ibn Kathir wrote:
The Adulteress is Confined in her Houses; A Command Later Abrogated
At the beginning of Islam, the ruling was that if a woman commits adultery as stipulated by sufficient proof, she was confined to her home, without leave, until she died. Allah said...
<And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from among you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some (other) way.>
‘Some other way’ mentioned here is the abrogation of this ruling that came later. Ibn `Abbas said, "The early ruling was confinement, until Allah sent down Surat An-Nur (chapter 24) which abrogated that ruling with the ruling of flogging (for fornication) or stoning to death (for adultery)."' Similar was reported from ‘Ikrimah, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Al-Hasan, `Ata' Al-Khurasani, Abu Salih, Qatadah, Zayd bin Aslam and Ad-Dahhak, and this is a matter that is agreed upon.
Imam Ahmad recorded that `Ubadah bin As-Samit said, "When the revelation descended upon the Messenger of Allah, it would affect him and his face would show signs of strain. One day, Allah sent down a revelation to him, and when the Messenger was relieved of its strain, he said...
((Take from me: Allah has made some other way for them. The married with the married, the unmarried with the unmarried. The married gets a hundred lashes and stoning to death, while the unmarried gets a hundred lashes then banishment for a year.))
Muslim and the collectors of the Sunan recorded that `Ubadah bin As-Samit said that the Prophet said...
((Take from me, take from me. Allah has made some other way for them: the (unmarried) gets a hundred lashes and banishment for one year, while the (married) gets a hundred lashes and stoning to death.))
At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan Sahih". (Tafsir on 4:15: Source)
Another English translation of Ibn Kathir reads:
At the outset of Islam, if a woman was guilty of adultery, she would be kept locked up in a house until she died, therefore, Allah said <And those of your women who commit adultery.>, that is, illegal sexual intercourse. <take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some other way.> This ‘Other way’, in fact, abrogates <confining them to houses until death comes to them>. Ibn Abbas said: "Such had been the judgment against the female adulterer until Allah revealed Surat which commands lashing and stoning." This statement was also narrated by a group of At-Tabi’in, and this abrogation is agreed upon by scholars.
Imam Ahmad narrated, on the authority of ‘Ubaada Ibn As-Samit: "When the Divine Inspiration comes to the Prophet, it would affect him, for it used to make him sad and change his face. One day, something was revealed to him and he said: ‘Observe what I shall say for Allah has ordained one hundred lashes and stoning for the adulterer among married women and men, and one hundred lashes and one-year exile for the unmarried.’" This Hadith was also narrated by Muslim, the authors of the Sunan from other authorities.
Ahmad Ibn Hanbal’s view is alsao [sic] based on this Hadith which is lashing and stoning for the adultery among the married. However, the majority of scholars hold that the adulterer among the married must be stoned only, supporting their view with the fact that the Prophet did stone Maiz, al-Ghamidiyyah and the two Jews, but did not lash them. This means that lashing was not necessary and it had been abrogated according to them, and Allah knows best.
Quoting Ibn Abbas, At-Tabarani said: "When Surah An-Nisaa was revealed, the Prophet said: ‘No confinement of adulterer women to the houses, after the revelation of An-Nisaa Surah.’" (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Part 4) Surah Al-Imran, ayat 93 to 200, Surah AN-Nisa, ayat 1 to 23, abridged by Sheikh Muhammad Nasib Ar-Rafa‘i [Al-Firdous Ltd., London, 1999: first edition], pp. 194-195)
Maulana Abdul Majid Daryabadi translated the text in the following manner:
... As for those of your women who may commit whoredom, call against them four witnesses from among you; then if they testify confine them to their houses, till death completes their term of life, or Allah appoints for them some other way.
He then comments on the meaning of fahishah:
... in its general significance is ‘an excess; an enormity; anything exceeding the bounds of rectitude.’ but when particularized, signifies ‘adultery or fornication,’ and , in the context, evidently means an act of adultery. (Daryabadi, Tafsir-Ul-Qur'an Translation and Commentary of the Holy Qur'an, Volume I [Darul-Isha’at Urdu Bazar, Karachi-1, Pakistan; First edition: 1991], p. 310, fn. 575)
The online Pooya/M A. Ali English Commentary notes:
Fahisha in its general significance is "an excess, an enormity, anything exceeding the bounds of rectitude", but when particularised, signifies "adultery or fornication", and, in this context, evidently means an act of adultery.
The evidence in the case of adultery must be, according to the law of Islam, ocular, not hearsay, conjectural or circumstantial. Every possible safeguard is taken against hasty and unfounded accusations. When four men testify that they saw with their eyes the actual carnal conjunction, punishments mentioned in this verse, can be inflicted.
For "or Allah provides some other way for them" (through His Prophet) refer to fiqh...
The crime, mentioned here, is adultery. Adhuhuma - hurt or punish both of them. (Source)
Some other Muslims do not believe that surah 4:15 refers to adultery or fornication. The late Maulana Muhammad Ali wrote regarding 4:15:
Al-fahishah signifies anything exceeding the bounds of rectitude (gross, immodest, lewd, obscene) (Mgh, LL). See further 556, where it is shown that fahishah includes hatred and desertion, refractoriness, etc. Though the word is used sometimes as meaning fornication, the context shows that here it is used to signify immoral conduct short of fornication, for the punishment of fornication is given in 24:2. The words of the verse that follows, referring to a similar immoral act with the indefinite nature of punishment, support this conclusion, for punishment in the case of an act short of fornication would vary with the nature of the crime. Thus women guilty of immoral conduct are curtailed of their liberty. If they mend their ways, or being unmarried they get married, a way is opened for them by Allah, and they regain their liberty; if they do not, the curtailment should be extended till they die. There is no proof for Palmer’s assertion that "women taken in adultery and fornication were, at the beginning of Islam, literally "immured". (Ali, Holy Qur'an - Arabic Text, English Translation & Commentary [Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha'at Islam Lahore Inc. USA 1995], p. 193, fn. 551; Source)
Commenting on 4:19, the Maulana quotes ar-Razi regarding the meaning of fahishah in this particular context:
... The manifest indecency spoken of here is hatred and desertion of the husband, refractoriness, and doing harm to the husband and his family (Rz)... (Ibid., p. 194, fn. 556)
Muhammad Asad writes:
14 Some of the commentators attribute to the term fahishah (here rendered as "immoral conduct") the meaning of "adultery" or "fornication" and are, consequently, of the opinion that this verse has been "abrogated" by 24:2, which lays down the punishment of one hundred stripes for each of the guilty parties. This unwarranted assumption must, however, be rejected. Quite apart from the impossibility of admitting that any passage of the Qur'an could have been "abrogated" by another of its passages (see surah 2, note 87), the expression fahishah does not, by itself, connote illicit sexual intercourse: it signifies anything that is grossly immodest, unseemly, lewd, indecent or abominable in word or in deed (cf. Lane VI, 2344f.), and is by no means restricted to sexual transgressions. Read in this context, and in conjunction with 24:2, this expression obviously denotes here immoral conduct not necessarily amounting to what is termed zina (i.e., "adultery" or "fornication"), and therefore redeemable by sincere repentance (in contrast to a proven act of zina, which is punishable by flogging). - It is noteworthy that in all cases of alleged sexual transgressions or misbehaviour the Qur'an stipulates the direct evidence of four witnesses (instead of the two required in all other judicial cases) as a sine qua non of conviction. For the reasons underlying this injunction, as well as for its judicial implications, see note 7 on 24:4. (Source)
It is rather evident why Ali and Asad proposed a different meaning from the one accepted by most of the Muslim scholars. These gentlemen did not believe that the Quran abrogates itself, implying that, in their minds, 4:15 could not be referring to adultery or fornication, since this would mean that the verse was later abrogated by 24:2. Regardless of their position, neither man understood the word fahishah to be referring to a lesbian act.
In light of the preceding data, Osama’s appeal to surah 4:15 doesn’t prove his point at all. If anyone is lying, it is Osama for trying to dupe his readers into thinking that the Quran EXPLICITLY condemns lesbianism. In fact, not only does the Quran fail to offer an explicit condemnation of lesbianism, it also fails to explicitly prohibit bestiality.
My response:
Note: The topic of bestiality
(humans having sex with animals) had been covered further below in this
article.
Also again, I'd like to ask the reader to visit: Where in the Bible is lesbianism prohibited? I proved from Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy1:10, Romans
1:18-32, Deuteronomy 23:17, Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus 20:16 that lesbianism is totally
condoned in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Your points are absolute nonsense! None of the quotes that you mentioned above disprove my point nor prove your pornographic point. Again, as mentioned above, Chastity in Islam is well defined in the Noble Quran. It is not just limited to sexual intercourse. It includes everything that deals with and promotes sex and sexual excitement! Talking loose, flirting, dressing inappropriately, promoting sexual and evil thoughts in the society are all condemned in the Noble Quran:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. (The Noble Quran, 24:31)"
"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"
There are few important points to notice here:
1- Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslim women to look down when approaching men and to guard their modesty.
2- They must cover their bodies and only reveal their beauty to their husbands and few other relatives.
3- Out of stranger males, they can only uncover their hair in front of little children who "have no sense of the shame of sex".
4- Women can not "strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments." In other words, do not flirt!
I think point #3 pretty much sums it all up!
The fact, from among stranger males, that women can only display the parts of their bodies that are above the shoulders to little children who don't know anything about sex, PROVES without doubt that lesbianism is illegal in Islam.
The sick pornographic and polytheist trinitarian pagan's point, Sam Shamoun that is, is simply that since lesbians' sex is not done by uniting the penis and the vagina together, or by inserting the penis into a vagina, then Islamically it is not forbidden. Since the two women would obviously have only vaginas, and since the Christian Western made "porn toys" didn't exist 1500 years ago, then to pornographic bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", sex between the two women in all its forms is legal.
What this pornographic polytheist trinitarian pagan doesn't realize is that the "shame of sex" that Allah Almighty talked about regarding the little boys, it would obviously include a condemnation of the two women having an inappropriate relationship with each others, even including just a loose and flirty talk directed at each others (See also Isaiah 1:9-17: Yahweh called Israel Sodom, because it spreads evil and is unjust). Let alone having a physical sexual relationship.
This is further proven in the following Hadith:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. This is perfectly summed up in this Noble Verse:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
And to answer Sam Shamoun's silly points regarding lesbianism:
| Doesn't "a woman should not see the private parts of another woman" soundly debunk your trash? |  |
| The Prophet's Commands
are a must to follow according to the
Noble Quran: The authentic Sunnah (the way the Prophet lived) and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. There are ample Noble Verses in the Noble Quran that Command the Muslims to follow not only the Noble Quran, but also the Commands of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: "O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)" "God did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of God, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error. (The Noble Quran, 3:164)" "Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. (The Noble Quran, 5:92)" "(We sent) clear proofs and the scriptures. Now, We have sent you this reminder (Quran) so that you may demonstrate the revelations to them. Perhaps they may reflect and ponder! (The Noble Quran, 16:44)" "When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)" "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (The Noble Quran, 7:157)" "Say: "Obey God, and obey the Apostle: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Apostle's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)""So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey the Apostle; that ye may receive mercy. (The Noble Quran, 24:56)""Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God. (The Noble Quran, 33:21)""It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (The Noble Quran, 33:36)""The Day that their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire, they will say: "Woe to us! Would that we had obeyed God and obeyed the Apostle!" (The Noble Quran, 33:66)""It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;- (The Noble Quran, 62:2)""So obey God, and obey His Apostle: but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Apostle is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. (The Noble Quran, 64:12)"Most of these Noble Verses were taken from
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The whole point of the veil is not just to have a scarf covering the woman. It also includes living a chaste and a non-loose and non-flirty life! That is why Allah Almighty even prevented women from striking their feet on the ground to make noise that would draw attention to them, so that men would think that they are trying to draw inappropriate attention to them, such as flirting, as shown in point #4 above.
And it's not just women who are Commanded to live a Chaste life. Men too are Commanded to live it, and to avoid causing evil in the society in all ways. This is mentioned in Noble Verse 33:35 above.
Like I mentioned above in the article, women by nature can very dangerous, just as men by nature can be extremely brainless and stupid when they're sexually too high. Perhaps that is why we see much emphasis on women's' appearances than men in the Noble Quran. To men, a decent shirt and decent pants would do just fine as far as the outside "Chaste" looks are concerned. But to women, it can get much more complicated.
So to prevent some women from abusing their natural and magical beauty and attraction to men, Allah Almighty made it compulsory upon them to cover up, so that they won't eventually become satan's tools to destroy the Chastity of the Muslim society, as it is the case with the pornographic and sexually open christian societies today! Their women have no problem exposing 99% of their bodies through wearing bikinis, sometimes even topless bikinis, on the beaches. Their men and women have no problem in having sex without marriage. They have no problem in corrupting their children and legitimizing to them their illegal ways, etc....
So with all of this in mind, it is now clear that it is the intentions and the actions that are done to promote them, that really matter. Anyone like this polytheist trinitarian pagan and his team of corrupt infidels can act very stupid and twist the Text of the Noble Quran as they please, such as legalizing lesbianism. But they can only fool themselves!
I think the reader can now clearly see just how much of
a total joke Sam Shamoun really is.
He wrote: (here comes the hilarious part:...........His "challenge")
CHALLENGE TO OSAMA
Osama, please produce an explicit, unambiguous command (or commands) from the Quran, not from any other source, which condemns lesbianism and bestiality. We know you cannot, since the Quran does not provide such a statement, proving that it is an incomplete guidance for mankind.
My response:
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From
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3457.msg16674#msg16674:
Sex with animals law-example:
"Sura 42:11 And Hadith? Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one (Muslim) who has sexual intercourse with an animal. - ( Sunan Abu Dawud 38 : 4450 )" Response:
The Noble Verse is not about sex
with animals at all. And the Hadith
actually proves that sex with
animals is a sin,
but there is no specific
punishment
(ex: 100 lashes) for it. The
punishment FOR THIS SIN is open
depending on the case and the type
of sin. The only mate for man is the
woman: There are also countless Hadiths from Prophet Muhammad that command the killing of those who practice bestiality: www.answering-christianity.com/bestiality.htm . So the narrator of this hadith didn't know about the Prophet's ample sayings on bestiality. I also provided also ample Noble Verses from the Glorious Quran that prohibit bestiality and homosexuality and all other sexual sinning. The following was taken from Quran Moral Code (100s of them):
Ask a Jew: Also Muslims are commanded to ask the Jews if they're unsure about morality Laws. Now the Glorious Quran has 100s of laws of Moral Code. So always follow the Quran first, because the Quran is the muhaymin (has authority over all), and abrogates all. But if things are still fuzzy, or you're still unsure, then simply ask a Jew for clarifications about what their Law says. Islam's Creed is that of Abraham, Moses and others: "And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation -- so ask the followers of the Reminder (Thikr [1]) if you do not know. (The Noble Quran, 16:43)" [042:013] The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). Please visit: What does Islam say about the Jewish Law? But our Creed is Islam, not Judaism: [005:048] .... To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; "The Religion before God is Islam ....(The Noble Quran, 3:19)" For more, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm The religion is always Islam, but Islam came with different Laws to different people from the time of Adam till the future return of the Messiah. Peace be upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of GOD Almighty. So we're not under the Jewish Law and Covenant. But still, if we're unsure about a Moral Law or Code, then a simple question to a Jew about bestiality, in this case, would also settle the matter if a Muslim is unsure. Muslims are commanded by Allah Almighty to ask the people of the Thikr (Law) of Moses about morality Laws if they're unsure. And the Jew's answer here would be that bestiality is forbidden in their Law. But remember that Islam abrogates all previous Laws. So eating camel meat, for example, is allowed in the Glorious Quran but is forbidden in the Jewish Law. So this contradiction here is an abrogation, because the Quran is the muhaymin (has authority over all), and abrogates all.
Allah Almighty designed the Glorious Quran to be a Divine Guidance to the
believers, and also at the same time to be a misleading and confusing guidance
to the doomed-to-Hell disbelievers: [014:004] [007:178] Rightly guided is the one whom Allah guides. While those whom Allah misleads are in fact the real losers. [004:088] Why are there two opinions among you concerning the hypocrites? Because of the wrong they have wrought, Allah has made them revert (to disbelief). Do you wish to guide the one whom Allah has led astray? You will not find any way out for the one whom Allah misleads! Also visit: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit.
Oxymoron Trinity
(100+ verses). Bibles:
Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns. The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - 12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling.
Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?
Remember: If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:
1 Corinthians 2:15
How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic, your gospel is from satan! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:
Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews. Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty.
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5).
Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.
Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.
Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). (Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles and head of penis to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? You mean to tell me that they were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan.
Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?
.
Islam is GOD Almighty's Divine Truth. To be 100% sure about this, visit: The Glorious Quran's most STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
GOD's New Song: Isaiah 42:10-13 GOD will sing a New Song from Arabia via the gentile Arabian Prophet. See also the ample prophecies, from the previous Scriptures, about the new covenant and new Servant will come from the desert of Kedar and Teman in Arabia [2]. Prophet Muhammad was even mentioned by the name in the found Dead Sea scrolls:
For ample more proofs, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm. |
As to lesbianism, I've covered this in great details throughout this article above. You can also visit:
As to bestiality, as I present the evidence from the Glorious Quran, keep in mind the following Noble Verse. Allah Almighty Commanded us to follow what He Commanded Moses, peace be upon him, to do:
| Noble Verse(s) 42:13 |
| Yusuf
Ali: [042:013] The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). Arabic (Read from right to left. Also, all png image files: [1] [2]. Quran Moral Code (100s of them)]): 42:13 شرع لكم من الدين ماوصى به نوحا والذي اوحينا اليك وما وصينا به ابراهيم وموسى وعيسى ان اقيموا الدين ولاتتفرقوا فيه كبر على المشركين ماتدعوهم اليه الله يجتبي اليه من يشاء ويهدي اليه من ينيب |
So Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslims to look to the Religion of Moses and the other mentioned Prophets for remaining "steadfast in religion". And as we will see below, the Religion of Moses, peace be upon him, does prohibit bestiality. Not only that, but Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslims to ask the people of the Thikr of Moses (the Law of Moses) if we are unsure about something. Now, unless the Moral Code had been abrogated in the Glorious Quran, such as permission to eat camel meat, which is forbidden in the Torah and allowed in the Quran, then we must seek the broader Law of GOD Almighty if we're unsure in Islam about any Moral issue.
Now to my response...
I have provided ample evidence and Noble Verses from the Noble Quran that totally demolished your absurdities regarding Islam allowing lesbianism [1] [2] (the links are displayed on separate windows).
Now in regards to bestiality (having sex with an animal), that has got to be the most absurd question one can bring up against Islam!
Listen to my AUDIO rebuttal to his friend, "Christian_Prince" regarding this subject.
My Responses to this subject are as follows:
1- Using the previous Mosaic Law.
2- Using the Noble Quran and the Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad).
3- Using the Noble Quran only.
1- Using the previous Mosaic Law:
Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran Commanded the Muslims to ask the people of "Thikr (of Moses)" (Law of Moses) if they "knew not":
"And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation -- so ask the followers of the Reminder (Thikr) if you do not know. (The Noble Quran, 16:43)"
So, if I walk up to a Jew or Christian and ask them what does your Law say about bestiality, then their answer would be that it is a sin that is punishable by death: Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23, Leviticus 20:15-16, Deuteronomy 27:21.
So therefore, according to Islam bestiality is a Moral sin. Now, whether it should be punishable by death or not, that could not be determined from the Bible alone, because we are not Jews. This would have to be determined by Islamic Law (see below). But the Morality Law still stands as all Morality Laws still stand unless customized or modified in Islam. For example, the Laws of treating captives, and spoils of wars. Another example is the Christians' New Testament did alter the Law of Divorce to make it only allowed in cases of "marital unfaithfulness" (Matthew 19:1-12) for the Christians.
2- Using the Noble Quran and the Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad).
Here is the first response from the Noble Quran Itself:
From www.answering-christianity.com/que10.htm:
In Islam, we follow the laws of the Noble Quran, and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. If a situation or case is not addressed in neither the Noble Quran, or the Sayings of our beloved Prophet, then we follow the local verdicts of our Religious Authorities, where they would decide based upon the cultural and social situation and causes. Also, according to Noble Verse 21:7, we can also consult with the people of the Thikr of Moses to ask them about what their Law (Thikr) Says about the issue, which in this case, they would tell us that according to Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23 and several other verses, bestiality is forbidden, and Prophet Lut (Lot) in Noble Verses 7:80-82, 27:54-56, as shown below, was simply following the Mosaic Law.
As to following the Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)"
"When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)"
Now since Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran clearly Commanded us to follow what the Prophet, peace be upon him, tells us, then let us look at what the Prophet said in regards to sex with animals:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal? He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4449)" The Hadith can be retrieved here.
Abu Hurairah reported Allah's Messenger (Pbuh) said: "Four types of people awake under Allah's anger and go to bed under Allah's displeasure." Those who were listening asked: "Who are they, Messenger of Allah?" He replied: Men who imitate women, women who imitate men, those who have sex with animals, and men who have sex with men." (http://www.islamawareness.net/Homosexuality/iv.html)
To the reader, please visit: Ample Islamic References about sex with animals being forbidden! A total of 28 Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad), and the list is growing, commanding the killing of those who commit sex with animals!
So there you have it!
Using the Noble Quran, I was able to debunk your absurd points. Checkmate!
3- Using the Noble Quran only:
Now as to using the Noble Quran only, as the polytheist trinitarian pagan requested above, and nothing else to prove that bestiality is forbidden in Islam, while this is clearly an absurd and ridiculous request at best based on Noble Verses 4:59 and 4:83 above that clearly Command us to follow the Prophet's Commands, but the following Noble Verses among the many others below clearly refute his bestiality charge:
| Noble Verse(s) 7:33 |
| Yusuf
Ali: [007:033] Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. Arabic (from right to left): 7:33 قل انما حرم ربي الفواحش ماظهر منها ومابطن والاثم والبغي بغير الحق وان تشركوا بالله مالم ينزل به سلطانا وان تقولوا على الله مالاتعلمون |
| Noble Verse(s) 7:80-7:82 |
| Yusuf
Ali: [007:080] We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? [007:081] "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."[007:082] And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" Arabic (from right to left): 7:80 ولوطا اذ قال لقومه اتاتون الفاحشة ماسبقكم بها من احد من العالمين7:81 انكم لتاتون الرجال شهوة من دون النساء بل انتم قوم مسرفون 7:82 وماكان جواب قومه الا ان قالوا اخرجوهم من قريتكم انهم اناس يتطهرون |
| Noble Verse(s) 27:54-27:56 |
| Yusuf
Ali: [027:054] (We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? [027:055] Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant![027:056] But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" Arabic (from right to left): 27:54 ولوطا اذ قال لقومه اتاتون الفاحشة وانتم تبصرون27:55 ائنكم لتاتون الرجال شهوة من دون النساء بل انتم قوم تجهلون 27:56 فما كان جواب قومه الا ان قالوا اخرجوا ال لوط من قريتكم انهم اناس يتطهرون |
Where is sex with animals allowed in these Holy Verses? We see a very clear condemnation to homosexuality and a very clear cut definition for what sexual relationships should be with: Men with their legal women only, and Women with their legal men only! No mention of any animal what so ever!
Also, please remember that according to Noble Verse 21:7, we can ask the people of the Mosaic Law if we know not. So if we simply ask them what their Law Says about bestiality, then they'll tell us that according to Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23 and several other verses, bestiality is forbidden, and Prophet Lut (Lot) in Noble Verses 7:80-82, 27:54-56 was simply following the Mosaic Law.
Anyway, despite that we are commanded to follow Prophet Muhammad's commands in the Noble Quran which basically ends this section's refutation, but I will further refute this missionary in three sets of responses that will wash away his laughable points:
1- Who are Muslims really allowed to have sex with?
2- Using your 'common sense' Noble Verses.
3- Deliberately twisting and perverting Allah Almighty's Holy Words is a grave sin!
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From
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3457.msg16674#msg16674:
Sex with animals law-example:
"Sura 42:11 And Hadith? Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one (Muslim) who has sexual intercourse with an animal. - ( Sunan Abu Dawud 38 : 4450 )" Response:
The Noble Verse is not about sex
with animals at all. And the Hadith
actually proves that sex with
animals is a sin,
but there is no specific
punishment
(ex: 100 lashes) for it. The
punishment FOR THIS SIN is open
depending on the case and the type
of sin. The only mate for man is the
woman: There are also countless Hadiths from Prophet Muhammad that command the killing of those who practice bestiality: www.answering-christianity.com/bestiality.htm . So the narrator of this hadith didn't know about the Prophet's ample sayings on bestiality. I also provided also ample Noble Verses from the Glorious Quran that prohibit bestiality and homosexuality and all other sexual sinning. The following was taken from Quran Moral Code (100s of them):
Ask a Jew: Also Muslims are commanded to ask the Jews if they're unsure about morality Laws. Now the Glorious Quran has 100s of laws of Moral Code. So always follow the Quran first, because the Quran is the muhaymin (has authority over all), and abrogates all. But if things are still fuzzy, or you're still unsure, then simply ask a Jew for clarifications about what their Law says. Islam's Creed is that of Abraham, Moses and others: "And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation -- so ask the followers of the Reminder (Thikr [1]) if you do not know. (The Noble Quran, 16:43)" [042:013] The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). Please visit: What does Islam say about the Jewish Law? But our Creed is Islam, not Judaism: [005:048] .... To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; "The Religion before God is Islam ....(The Noble Quran, 3:19)" For more, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm The religion is always Islam, but Islam came with different Laws to different people from the time of Adam till the future return of the Messiah. Peace be upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of GOD Almighty. So we're not under the Jewish Law and Covenant. But still, if we're unsure about a Moral Law or Code, then a simple question to a Jew about bestiality, in this case, would also settle the matter if a Muslim is unsure. Muslims are commanded by Allah Almighty to ask the people of the Thikr (Law) of Moses about morality Laws if they're unsure. And the Jew's answer here would be that bestiality is forbidden in their Law. But remember that Islam abrogates all previous Laws. So eating camel meat, for example, is allowed in the Glorious Quran but is forbidden in the Jewish Law. So this contradiction here is an abrogation, because the Quran is the muhaymin (has authority over all), and abrogates all.
Allah Almighty designed the Glorious Quran to be a Divine Guidance to the
believers, and also at the same time to be a misleading and confusing guidance
to the doomed-to-Hell disbelievers: [014:004] [007:178] Rightly guided is the one whom Allah guides. While those whom Allah misleads are in fact the real losers. [004:088] Why are there two opinions among you concerning the hypocrites? Because of the wrong they have wrought, Allah has made them revert (to disbelief). Do you wish to guide the one whom Allah has led astray? You will not find any way out for the one whom Allah misleads! Also visit: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit.
Oxymoron Trinity
(100+ verses). Bibles:
Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns. The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise! - He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - 12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling.
Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?
Remember: If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient: Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Dismal Spiritual Failures: Let us examine the following: Romans 3:23 ESV No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:
1 Corinthians 2:15
How??? How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic, your gospel is from satan! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:? There is also conflict regarding misogyny: Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:
Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?
Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:
Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews. Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19). Notice the language of how Satan was: 1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD. He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty.
Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:
See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5).
Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.
Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.
Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:
Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.Paul ate his vomit.
Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). (Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity) Jesus amputated his unholy testicles and head of penis to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? You mean to tell me that they were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan.
Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?
.
Islam is GOD Almighty's Divine Truth. To be 100% sure about this, visit: The Glorious Quran's most STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
GOD's New Song: Isaiah 42:10-13 GOD will sing a New Song from Arabia via the gentile Arabian Prophet. See also the ample prophecies, from the previous Scriptures, about the new covenant and new Servant will come from the desert of Kedar and Teman in Arabia [2]. Prophet Muhammad was even mentioned by the name in the found Dead Sea scrolls:
For ample more proofs, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm. |
1- Who are Muslims really allowed to have sex with?
Aside from Noble Verses 7:33, 7:80-82, 27:54-56 above that clearly demonstrate that men can only have sexual relationships with their legal women, and women can only have have sexual relationships with their legal men, but let us further look at what Allah Almighty Said:
"Go you in unto the males of the Alameen (mankind), And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives (or lawful mates such as harems)? Nay, you are a trespassing people! (The Noble Quran, 26:165-166)"
Notice the following:
1- "...of the Alameen...." The following Noble Verses prove that "alameen" means mankind in the Noble Quran:
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no alameen ever committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
In this Noble Verse, Prophet Lot or Lut, peace be upon him, is talking about sexual sinning and is comparing his people to all of the people before them.
"Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations (alameen). (The Noble Quran, 3:42)"
Here Allah Almighty made Mary, peace be upon her, to be the best woman ever created.
2- "And leave those whom God has created for you to be your mates?" Who are those mates? It's the human-females! Not the males; not animals. Females!
To further prove my points regarding the "mates", here is how Allah Almighty defines it in the Noble Quran:
"And God has made for you mates (and companions) of your own nature, and made for you, out of them, sons and daughters and grandchildren, and provided for you sustenance of the best: will they then believe in vain things, and be ungrateful for God's favours?- (The Noble Quran, 16:72)"
"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
The fact that Noble Verses 26:165-166 are saying that the people of Lut are evil transgressors for not having relationships of marriages and lawful sex with the specific mates of human-females that GOD Almighty Created for them clearly prove:
1- The human-female mates in Noble Verses 16:72 and 30:21 are the only lawful mates in Islam for the males of mankind, and the human-male mates are the only lawful mates for the females of mankind.
2- Islam doesn't allow sex with animals.
Also, Allah allowed certain animals and forbade others:
"Such: whoever honours the sacred rites of God, for him it is good in the Sight of his Lord. Lawful to you are cattle, except those mentioned to you: but shun the abomination of idols, and shun the word that is false,- (The Noble Quran, 22:30)"
"He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For God is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 2:173)"
While these Noble Verses are talking about what's lawful and what's unlawful from meat to eat upon the Muslims, but the word "food" itself was never mentioned in any of these Noble Verses. Now assuming that sex with animals is allowed in the Noble Quran, then does this mean that I can have sex with a cow, since it is a cattle, but not with a pig (swine)?! Let's ask the weasel:
Am I allowed to have sex with a pig in Islam Sam Shamoun?
Obviously not, and with neither animal or any animal. And anyone from the Muslim side who wishes to monkey around with the Laws of the Glorious Quran and with how to read and understand the AHKAAM (LAWS) of the Glorious Quran, then I advise you to not play around with Allah Almighty. Again:
[007:033] Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge.
Do not be the sinful monkey who does the shameful deeds and consider them Halal (Lawful). Sex with animals is Haram (forbidden). Plain and simple. No conjecture, no games. No cow's and no pig's feces. You only find the BS in the gospel of porn, the book the says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and praises her for wishing if her boyfriend was her brother, - who was nursed from her "mother's breasts", - so that she wouldn't need to take him home in secret. These are praised in the gospel of porn, not condemned. Please also visit:
Now in regards to sex and who are Muslims are allowed to have sex with, Islam is quite clear about this issue. Women are only allowed to have sex with their husbands, and men are only allowed to have sex with their wives and any female from their "Right Hand Possess" or Captives.
I provided the ample proofs for this at: https://www.answering-christianity.com/no_sex_with_male_slaves.htm
2- Using your 'common sense' Noble Verses:
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
"(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? (The Noble Quran, 27:54)"
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (The Noble Quran, 7:81)"
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
In these Noble Verses, Allah Almighty is directly and clearly addressing the person's common sense that He, the Almighty, Created for him/her. You should ask yourself regarding what you're about to do, in this case, having sex with your pet, is it really right? Is this act really natural? Is this what really Allah Almighty ordained for us? According to the Noble Verses above, no it isn't.
Is the person justifying an evil act even though he/she knows well that it is wrong as clearly mentioned in Noble Verses 27:54, 7:80 and 7:81 above? That's really the main point.
So now the question to Sam Shamoun is:
Do you have common sense?
Can you tell what's right from wrong??
Unfortunately for you, your christians today act like they don't! They commit adultery and fornication left and right, and they dress in ways that only promote evil and wickedness, and they still insist on following these evil ways of life, despite the fact that they know well that it is wrong!!
In fact, Sam Shamoun's inspiration to write this article about lesbians in Islam came DIRECTLY from the christian homosexuals from his own people. Otherwise I strongly doubt that he would have even thought about this point.
The fact that Muslims are not like your people, PROVES the success of Islam's Divine Teachings!
3- Deliberately twisting and perverting Allah Almighty's Holy Words is a grave sin!
Here is another Response by Allah Almighty to your porn and evil-promoting point:
"He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed. Our Lord! Cause not our hearts to stray after Thou hast guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Thy Presence. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Bestower. Our Lord! Lo! it is Thou Who gatherest mankind together to a Day of which there is no doubt. Lo! Allah faileth not to keep the tryst. (On that Day) neither the riches nor the progeny of those who disbelieve will aught avail them with Allah. They will be fuel for Fire. Like Pharaoh's folk and those who were before them, they disbelieved Our revelations and so Allah seized them for their sins. And Allah is severe in punishment. Say (O Muhammad) unto those who disbelieve: Ye shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell, an evil resting-place. (The Noble Quran, 3:7-12)"
Indeed, "But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue,
forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension
by seeking to explain it."
And yes indeed, "but only men of understanding really heed." If Allah Almighty punishes the fornicators with their fellow human fornicators by having them get flogged 100 stripes each, and if Allah Almighty is very strict on Chastity and Modesty in the Islamic society, then how on earth would such a society allow for sex with animals to be tolerated?
How exactly is sex with animals supposed to protect Purity in the Islamic Society?
The topic itself is so ridiculous that it wasn't even mentioned directly in the Noble Quran. But those who try to pervert the Divine Message of Allah Almighty had been addressed and warned in Noble Verses 3:7-12 as shown above.
If I am not even allowed to have illegal sex with a fellow human being, then how on earth am I supposed to be allowed to have sex with an animal? And again, how exactly is sex with animals supposed to enforce the Chastity and Purity of the Muslim society that Allah Almighty clearly Commanded?
To those who might grow their brains in their butts and try to get creative like Sam Shamoun here is doing, I'd like to give them the following Noble Verses that clearly warn them about their Salvation in the Noble Quran:
"Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God. If only the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 3:110)"
"Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity. (The Noble Quran, 3:104)"
"They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:114)"
These Noble Verses alone prohibit all evil that humans do!
"Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). And God is not unmindful of what ye do. (The Noble Quran, 2:74)"
".....But fear God and know that God sees well what ye do. (The Noble Quran, 2:233)"
"....And fear God: That ye may prosper. (The Noble Quran, 2:189)"
"....And fear God, and know that God Is strict in punishment. (The Noble Quran, 2:196)"
"....Then fear God, and know that ye will surely be gathered unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 2:203)"
"When it is said to him, "Fear God", He is led by arrogance to (more) sins. Enough for him is Hell;-An evil bed indeed (To lie on)! (The Noble Quran, 2:206)"
"....and fear God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe. (The Noble Quran, 2:223)"
"And fear the Day when ye shall be brought back to God. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and none shall be dealt with unjustly. (The Noble Quran, 2:281)"
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Note to Muslims:
As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to. I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them. May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into. Ameen.
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See also: Islam's end of times STUNNING Prophecies section.
Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil! (Islamic Prophecy) The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power. They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا of evil power and might on earth. See Noble Verses 17:4-8: Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world: Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)" Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him. Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors. The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed. This is both literal and metaphoric. It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images. The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty. There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4). In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity. And that false deity is not Allah Almighty. For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.
Was the
Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold
before Islam in the Bible's
Zechariah 11:17?
I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses
that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was
never prophesied in the Bible to be
ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in
the Bible to any being.
For ample
Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs,
please visit:
Many
references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our
Islamic Texts. This is one of the most popular
Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be
upon him. And indeed, we are seeing it come to
pass before our very eyes. Please also visit:
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Concluding Remarks
Now the readers may be wondering why we even bothered to address Osama’s paper, or why issue such a challenge. Let us explain our reasons for doing so.
In our debate on the prophethood of Muhammad(*), Osama attacked the Islamic traditions that we used to expose Muhammad. Instead of trying to deal with them, he essentially brushed them aside as fairy-tales, or as he referred to them, as soap opera stories. Osama also sought to attack the Holy Bible even though he went on to use it to prove that Muhammad was a true prophet!
Now our challenge is this, without appealing to either the Holy Bible or Islamic traditions, can Osama show from the Quran that acts such as lesbianism are immoral?
If Osama goes outside the Quran and appeals to either source, then he exposes his hypocrisy and inconsistency. On the one hand, Osama wants to attack the Bible and the traditions when they clearly contradict his cherished beliefs. Yet, on the other hand, he wants to also use them when they provide evidence and assistance for a point or claim he is trying to make.
[ Side remark: There is another Muslim polemicist who attacks the Bible for not prescribing an explicit and detailed dress code for Christian women. The fact that the Quran does not even forbid lesbianism and bestiality is relevant to that discussion as well. For details, see the article, Contextually Clueless. ]
Osama also faces another problem with appealing to the Jewish and Christian Scriptures. The Holy Bible, God’s true Word, and the Quran, are two completely different books. Despite both books claiming to be a revelation from the one true God of Abraham, they greatly differ and contradict each other regarding the nature of God, the stories of specific prophets, their message, the way of salvation etc., and cannot be from the same source.
Additionally, the two books make different claims about themselves. The Holy Bible claims to be a sufficient record, not an exhaustive one:
"Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20:30-31 NIV
"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPETENT, EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK." 2 Timothy 3:14-17 ESV
"His divine power has given us EVERYTHING WE NEED for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires... And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:3-4, 19-21 NIV
This implies that the Bible does not record everything that God and his prophets have said or done. It records only those things which are sufficient to lead one into an accurate knowledge of God and to live a righteous life pleasing to the Lord.
The Holy Bible also points to creation and to natural design as ways in which God communicates some of his truths:
"In Lystra there sat a man crippled in his feet, who was lame from birth and had never walked. He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed and called out, ‘Stand up on your feet!’ At that, the man jumped up and began to walk. When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, ‘The gods have come down to us in human form!’ Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: ‘Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them. In the past, he let all nations go their own way. Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.’ Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them." Acts 14:8-18
"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged NATURAL RELATIONS for UNNATURAL ONES. In the same way the men also abandoned NATURAL RELATIONS with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Romans 1:18-27
In these passages, Paul argues that God’s moral goodness can be seen from creation and design. The fact that people receive rain and enjoy food shows God’s goodness to mankind. Paul further argues that nature shows that lesbianism and homosexuality are wrong.
This means that one can even draw moral inferences from the design of creation, of the body etc., much like Paul did above. Hence, God has given us a sufficient witness and testimony of himself and his laws in Scripture, creation and conscience, with Scripture being a more thorough record since it more clearly reveals the identity of the God who exists and created all things.
The differences are not over yet, especially in relation to the NT and the Quran. The NT documents do not contradict the moral and sexual code of the Hebrew Scriptures, but presuppose their binding and lasting authority. This is why the NT writers would allude to specific moral issues without having to fully explain or define them, since they were presupposing their readers’ or audience’s familiarity and knowledge of the OT laws. In fact, in specific situations, the NT actually makes an OT command or tolerance of specific acts stricter, i.e. the reasons for valid divorce or the prohibition of having multiple wives etc.
The places where the NT writers would have to obviously explain something would be when a specific command or practice relating to ceremonies or sacrifices had been consummated in Christ’s work of redemption, since this meant that these things were no longer binding in the sense in which the OT commanded. Now a person could choose to observe them, if they so wished, but weren’t required to do so for meriting their salvation. For more on this point, please see the following article: www../Responses/Shabir-Ally/pork2.htm.
Explanations may also be required regarding how to apply specific OT commands in light of the fact that the Church didn’t rule over the land, but was under pagan rule and authority, and couldn’t therefore impose specific regulations or carry out the prescribed punishments upon citizens.
Also, the Church isn’t limited in geography, but its sphere of influence extends to all of the earth, which would also affect the application of specific OT injunctions. Cf. Matthew 28:18-20
For instance, during the OT period, where the people of Israel were given specific geographical borders as their inheritance, it was important for the Israelites not to take spouses from the pagan nations in order to insure that the land would not become perverted and polluted by pagan worship and practices. This may have entailed persons divorcing their pagan spouses and setting aside their children.
Yet, during the NT period, there were no borders to protect from pagan defilement since the Church is universal in scope, having no set geographical limits. As such, even though believers could not marry unbelievers, married persons who converted from pagan backgrounds were not required to set aside their unbelieving spouses or their children, but could remain with them as long as the unbelieving partners were willing.
What this basically means is that Christians are required to consult the OT and seek to understand and apply its commands in light of the NT understanding and teaching. The only laws that are not binding are those which the NT says have been fulfilled in Christ’s life, death and resurrection, or which have been reapplied in light of the cultural and historical context in which the Church found itself. Thus, any OT Law that the NT does not say has been consummated, or which has not been reapplied, is still binding on Christians.
The Quran, on the other hand, does contradict the Old Testament. Note, for instance, the following difference between these books:
"If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD. Do not bring sin upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance." Deuteronomy 24:1-4
And now the Quran:
"A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by Allah. So do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong (themselves as well as others). So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), he cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and he has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand." S. 2:229-230
What Yahweh calls shameful and detestable, Allah calls permissible! An abomination is an abomination, it doesn’t change with time or culture.
The Quran also claims to be an exhaustive record, fully detailed, specifically in relation to religious matters. For a list of verses stating this, please go here: www../Quran/Incoherence/index.html.
And here is where the problem lies for Osama. The fact of the matter is that the Quran is anything but an exhaustive record, a point which even many Muslims gladly admit. For instance, MENJ of the Bismikaallahuma website issues the following challenges to those Muslims who argue that the Quran is a complete record:
Questions for Anti-Hadith Proponents
The "Qur'an-only" folk are known for their deviant attitude towards Islam because they reject the hadith narrations as recorded in the Sahih collections of Bukhari, Muslim, An-Nasa'i (and the body of works by other hadith compilers not mentioned here) and thus the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (P).
The following are some questions which I pose to every anti-Hadith/"Inkaarus Sunnah" (rejectors of the Sunnah) person I met. Needles to mention, I have yet to obtain a satisfactory response to the questions posed. Enjoy!
If the hadith has "no significance in Islam", as any Hadith rejector would like us to believe, then perhaps they can tell us the following answers to these questions, without relying on the hadith:
1) How did the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) receive his Revelation? When in his life did it happen?
2) Was the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a Rabbi who decided to start his own religion? If your answer is "no", then how do you know from just reading the Qur'n?
3) What do you do to someone after they die? Can I cut your corpse up into tiny pieces after you die and use it as feed for livestock? If your answer is "no", then why not? What is your evidence from the Qur'n only?
These should suffice for now. Don't take too long in answering. (Source)
The dilemma for Osama is quite clear. If he tries to answer our challenge from the Holy Bible or Islamic traditions, he not only exposes his hypocrisy but serves to falsify the Quran’s own claim of being complete. If he tries to reason from natural design that such practices are immoral and unnatural he would again be undermining the Quran since it states that it is an exhaustive record on such matters of morality, religion etc. Unlike the Holy Bible, the Quran doesn’t simply say that it is a sufficient record, and that some laws are to be inferred from natural design and creation. The Quran boasts that it is a fully detailed revelation, a claim which is clearly false, as Osama’s failure to meet our stipulated challenge will show.
My response:
The following section will be divided into the following sub-sections:
1- The status of the Hadiths in Islam.
2- The overwhelming corruption and contradictions in Sam Shamoun's bible.
3- The Completeness of the Noble Quran.
4- The lesbianism and bestiality jokes had been fully demolished using the Noble Quran only!
1- The status of the Hadiths in Islam:
To the reader, please visit this article for details: I am not a Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) rejecter. I made this very clear on my site in the following article:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm.
Sam Shamoun is a desperate liar.
2- The overwhelming corruption and contradictions in Sam Shamoun's Bibles:
The "Bible" is not the Original Holy and Pure Word of GOD Almighty. It is a rewrite of men's words and interpretations. The book does contain both Truth and man's corruption, alteration and fabrications in it.
Ironically, these are not my own words! Your own bible theologians and historians openly and clearly admit to this fact. Plus the overwhelming amount of historical and textual contradictions that exist in the bible also testify to the corruption and man's alteration and fabricated lies in it.
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_quran_differences.htm:
4- Irrefutable Proofs that the Bible had been altered and corrupted by man:
Let us look at Jeremiah's claim about the Bible being altered to fit their purpose and cover up their shame:
How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
As we clearly see, the Jews had altered the Law of the LORD (i.e., the Revelations sent to Moses) and turned it into a "lie". Let us further examine the history of the Bible and read the quotes of many of the Bible's theologians:
From www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm:
The original manuscripts had been lost!
"Christians readily admit, however, that there have been 'scribal errors' in the copies of the Old and New Testament. It is beyond the capability of anyone to avoid any and every slip of the pen in copying page after page from any book, sacred or secular. Yet we may be sure that the original manuscript (better known as autograph) of each book of the Bible, being directly inspired by God, was free from all error. Those originals, however, because of the early date of their inception no longer exist."
"Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago. We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries. Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors. One concerned the spelling of proper names, and the other had to do with numbers."
"Most Christians will affirm that the Bible is our rule of faith and practice. It is a little self contradictory to stand in the pulpit and say the word of God is inspired, when in his heart the pastor knows he is not referring to any book here on this earth that people can hold in their hands and believe. He really should say what he believes - that the word of God WAS inspired at one time but we no longer have it, so the best we can do is hope we have a close approximation of what God probably meant to tell us."
"It also seems a bit inconsistent to say he believes the originals were inspired, when he has never seen them, they never were together in one single book and they no longer exist anyway. How does he know they were inspired? He accepts this by faith. Yet he seems to lack the faith to actually believe that God could do exactly what He said He would do with His words. God said He would preserve them and that heaven and earth would pass away but His words would not pass away."
From www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm:
Irrefutable contradictions, and proofs that the original authors of today's Bible are UNKNOWN!
Muslims and Christians both agree that the Noble Quran does not agree with today's Bible in everything. Just because the Bible might disagree on something in the Noble Quran, it doesn't at all negate the claim of the Noble Quran or make it false. There is a certain flow of logic that the Noble Quran presents which we the Muslims believe that it is the truth.
The Bible's contents today were not written by their original authors. For example, we read from the book of Matthew so many verses such as this one:
"...And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)"
Did "Matthew" write this about himself? Why then didn't Matthew write for example: "he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…" etc.
Similarly, we read in the books of Moses things such as "And the LORD said to Moses...", or "Moses went to that place....", etc... We also read in the Old Testament about Moses' burial. Now if Moses alone supposedly wrote his books, then how is it possible for him to write about his own burial when he is already dead??!!
Such evidence can be found in many places throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament. The so called "Original letters/Gospels" that were written in Greek and Hebrew, were written by third party people!
Consider the following few examples that consist of historical
contradictions in the Bibles:
II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700
chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen
I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for
horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses
Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.
II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto
him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three
months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose
thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while
that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
How did Judas die?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and
hanged himself." (Matthew 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed
out." (Acts 1:18)
2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child
unto the day of her death.
2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare
unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom
she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to
reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the
daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned
three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the
LORD.
26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2
Who was Josiah's successor?
Jehoahaz - 2 Chronicle 36:1
Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11
Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible's own theologians and historians. It's quite hilarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's garbage:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'?
But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, as I quoted above, here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"
"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"
etc...
How do you respond to this?
Please visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions
in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean,
instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!
It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors' words as the words of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible's followers. Please visit "Is the Bible the true word of GOD?" to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers opinions that agree with the Bible's corruption. I have their personal quotes in that site.
Also, as to the parts of the Bible that Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, please
visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
After that, please visit: Prophet Muhammad was foretold in many places in the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments.
It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors' words as the
words of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into
deep consideration by the Bible's followers. Please visit
"Is the Bible the true word of GOD?" to see a full and complete paper about the
logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers
opinions that agree with the Bible's corruption. I have their personal quotes in
that site.
You can not disprove Islam by presenting stories from the Bible that are not narrated the same from the Noble Quran. We Muslims believe that there are many disagreements in today's Bible, and that the Noble Quran should be the Bible that the Jews and the Christians should follow.
Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran in Noble Verse 11:110 "We (Allah) certainly gave the Book To Moses, but differences Arose therein: had it not been That a Word had gone forth Before from thy Lord, the matter Would have been decided Between them: but they Are in suspicious doubt Concerning it."
"Previous revelations have been corrupted and deprived of their spiritual value by their followers' vain controversies and disputes. It was possible to settle such disputes under the flag, as it were, or the old Revelations, but Allah's Plan was to revive and rejuvenate His Message through Islam, amongst a newer and younger people, unhampered by the burden of age-old prejudices.
There is always in human affairs the conflict between the old and the new, the worn out system of our ancestors, and the fresh living spring of Allah's inspiration fitting in with new times and new surroundings. The advocates of the former look upon this latter not only with intellectual doubt but with moral suspicion, as did the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) upon Islam, with its fresh outlook and vigorous realistic way of looking at things." [2]
3- The Completeness of the Noble Quran:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/incomplete_rebuttal.htm:
Sam Shamoun's points above have raised the following points:
1- The clarity of the Noble Quran's Text, and the sometimes difficulty in understanding it.
2- The Noble Quran doesn't seem to be a complete Book in regards to social laws.
Very fair points. Let us now examine them in more details:
Point #1:
It is only normal for the Noble Quran's Arabic Text not to be comprehended by anyone who speaks Arabic. It is a Miraculous Holy Book with Miraculous Language, Style, Text and Eloquence. It is definitely not for everyone to read, in a sense that they won't understand it. But yet, those who speak Arabic are almost always overwhelmingly impressed by Its Mysteries, Miraculous Language and Inspiration. The Noble Quran can not in anyway be imitated. Many have tried and failed. The following link from brother Saifullah's Islamic Awareness web site has tons of proofs and materials regarding this subject:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/
The reader must also remember that this is not the Bible! The Bible was re-rewritten
many times, and its text is less than normal where it actually needs a lot of
modifications and twisting to make it even sound mature and serious sometimes, because for the most part it was written in a street language
style, especially in the New Testament.
There is definitely no super natural eloquence in the text of the Bible what
so ever. The following links, again from brother Saifullah's web site, have
excellent references and proofs regarding it:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html#3 (Exposes the poor style and lack of eloquence in the NT)
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/
And from brother MENJ's web site:
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Bible/Text/
Point #2:
There is not a single relevant topic that the Noble Quran has not touched on. The Noble Quran's Main Divine Message, however, is not to give irrelevant stories like the Bible has in great details, but rather to emphasize heavily on the True Worship of Allah Almighty and associating no partners with Him, such as idols and humans:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
"God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48)"
"Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend. (The Noble Quran, 4:125)"
"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"
"Then Praise be to Allah, Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth- Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds! To Him be Glory throughout the heavens and the earth: and He is Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom!. (The Noble Quran, 45:36-37)"
The social laws that the Noble Quran touched on, or gave Headlines on, are detailed
heavily in the Hadiths (Prophet Muhammad's Sayings) and his Sunnah (his way of life).
This was clearly the intention and the goal of GOD Almighty in the Noble
Quran:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/que10.htm:
In Islam, we follow the laws of the Noble Quran, and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. If a situation or case is not addressed in neither the Noble Quran, or the Sayings of our beloved Prophet, then we follow the local verdicts of our Religious Authorities, where they would decide based upon the cultural and social situation and causes.
Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)"
"When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)"
There are several reasons why Allah Almighty didn't want the Noble Quran to concentrate on
irrelevant details, and left it for the Hadiths and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and the
Verdicts of the People in charge with authority to handle:
1- Islam remains dynamic and would apply for all times and all places.
2- It gives the Islamic Ruling Authority more authority and flexibility to deal with all social issues and affairs.
3- The older Solutions that would not apply in the advanced times would get substituted for better ones that would solve the problem.
4- It simplifies the Noble Quran and clearly tells the Believers that the #1 Rule for Salvation is the belief in the Absolute One and Living GOD Almighty and associating no partners with Him.
So while a specific law may not exist in the Noble Quran, but the solution is still there in Islam, because Islam is truly a comprehensive and complete system with dynamics and adaptability with time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).
Compare this with the Bible and see how the socially-failing and corrupt Western societies are suffering from that overwhelming man-made laws that were created due to the fact that the NT has hardly any laws in it!
That is why Christians are very corrupt today and have no limits for sin, because the NT defines no limits!
Christianity is a system of utter failure and a promotion for sin because of incompleteness and man's alteration and corruption!
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/sins_on_jews_and_christians.htm:
It is beyond question that the Christian Western societies thrive on sex. I am not just talking about browsing porn on the internet. Their life styles and core beliefs are far more dangerous than all of the porn sites combined out there. The bikinis that their women wear in the summer on the beaches, the virginity that they lose at early teenage years, the open sex between "boy friends and girl friends" without marriage, the inappropriate cloths that both their men and women wear, the ridiculous daily songs and the foul words that they contain, the liquor and getting drunk that they thrive on, all combined build nothing but an evil satan-worshiping society! It is ironic that even the bible calls women's vaginas and breasts as "taste like wine."
Please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Further from https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/incomplete_rebuttal.htm:
As I demonstrated and proved above, the Noble Quran was revealed in gradual stages:
"Those who reject Faith say: "Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually. (The Noble Quran, 25:32)"
"And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee: thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Quran) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way,- (The Noble Quran, 42:52)"
"(It is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages. (The Noble Quran, 17:106)"
"It is We Who have sent down the Quran to thee by stages. (The Noble Quran, 76:23)"
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/chapter6_rebuttal.htm:
The Noble Quran was documented on paper on the spot! It was also memorized by Prophet Muhammad's close companions. Not only that, but many parts of the Noble Quran get recited during the Muslims' five-daily prayers. And last but not least, the Muslims, especially during Prophet Muhammad's times, recite the entire Noble Quran during the Holy Month of Ramadan. The Noble Quran did not get documented 100 years after our Prophet peace be upon him. Allah Almighty said:
"Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "God is witness between me and you; This Quran hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides God there is another God?" Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one God, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him." (The Noble Quran, 6:19)"
"When the Quran is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace: that ye may receive Mercy. (The Noble Quran, 7:204)"
"This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than God; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 10:37)"
"Verily this Quran doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward; (The Noble Quran, 17:9)"
"When thou dost recite the Quran, We put, between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter, a veil invisible: (The Noble Quran, 17:45)"
"Verily in this (Quran) is a Message for people who would (truly) worship God. (The Noble Quran, 21:106)"
"Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Quran). (The Noble Quran, 25:52)"
The Noble Quran was sent in stages to the Prophet,
and the Prophet was inspired the chronological order of the Noble Verses and Chapters:
"We send down (stage by stage) in the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss. (The Noble Quran, 17:82)"
"(It is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages. (The Noble Quran, 17:106)"
"High above all is God, the King, the Truth! Be not in haste with the Quran before its revelation to thee is completed, but say, "O my Lord! advance me in knowledge." (The Noble Quran, 20:114)"
"Those who reject Faith say: "Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually. (The Noble Quran, 25:32)"
To the reader, please visit:
History of the Noble Quran's Preservation and Compilation.
There are captured images of the entire Noble Quran's Original Arabic Manuscripts.
He wrote:
Furthermore, the moment one appeals to the hadiths for clarification of these passages one ends up falsifying the Quran. The Quran is shown to be incomplete and therefore false in its claim of being fully detailed.
My response:
That is not true at all, because as I clearly showed above, the Noble Quran left the Hadiths to do the elaborations and explanations on many Noble Verses. As I mentioned above:
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/que10.htm:
In Islam, we follow the laws of the Noble Quran, and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. If a situation or case is not addressed in neither the Noble Quran, or the Sayings of our beloved Prophet, then we follow the local verdicts of our Religious Authorities, where they would decide based upon the cultural and social situation and causes.
Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)"
"When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)"
There are several reasons why Allah Almighty didn't want the Noble Quran to concentrate on
irrelevant details, and left it for the Hadiths and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and the
Verdicts of the People in charge with authority to handle:
1- Islam remains dynamic and would apply for all times and all places.
2- It gives the Islamic Ruling Authority more authority and flexibility to deal with all social issues and affairs.
3- The older Solutions that would not apply in the advanced times would get substituted for better ones that would solve the problem.
4- It simplifies the Noble Quran and clearly tells the Believers that the #1 Rule for Salvation is the belief in the Absolute One and Living GOD Almighty and associating no partners with Him.
So while a specific law may not exist in the Noble Quran, but the solution is still there in Islam, because Islam is truly a comprehensive and complete system with dynamics and adaptability with time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).
Compare this with the Bible and see how the socially-failing and corrupt Western societies are suffering from that overwhelming man-made laws that were created due to the fact that the NT has hardly any laws in it!
That is why Christians are very corrupt today and have no limits for sin, because the NT defines no limits!
Christianity is a system of utter failure and a promotion for sin because of incompleteness and man's alteration and corruption!
From https://www.answering-christianity.com/sins_on_jews_and_christians.htm:
It is beyond question that the Christian Western societies thrive on sex. I am not just talking about browsing porn on the internet. Their life styles and core beliefs are far more dangerous than all of the porn sites combined out there. The bikinis that their women wear in the summer on the beaches, the virginity that they lose at early teenage years, the open sex between "boy friends and girl friends" without marriage, the inappropriate cloths that both their men and women wear, the ridiculous daily songs and the foul words that they contain, the liquor and getting drunk that they thrive on, all combined build nothing but an evil satan-worshiping society! It is ironic that even the bible calls women's vaginas and breasts as "taste like wine."
Please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Bibliography:
1- The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an.
Author: Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
Published by: Amana Publications, 10710 Tucker Street, Suite B, Beltsville, Maryland
20705-2223 USA.
Telephone: (301) 595-5777.
Fax: (301) 595-5888.
ISBN: 0-91597-59-0 (HC).
2- The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an [1], foot notes #2095 and #2096, page 654.
3- The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an [1]. Foot note #2991, page 875.
4- The lesbianism and bestiality jokes had been fully demolished using the Noble Quran only!
First of all like I mentioned above, I'd like to ask the reader to visit: Where in the Bible is lesbianism prohibited? I proved from Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy1:10, Romans
1:18-32, Deuteronomy 23:17, Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus 20:16 that lesbianism is totally
condoned in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Now again as I mentioned above, to any knowledgeable person in Islamic studies, and to any person who knows just how strict and conservative the Divine and Truthful Religion of Islam regarding chastity and prohibition of lust, fornication, adultery and homosexuality, it becomes quite apparent to the person that Sam Shamoun is a hopeless case. He strives on writing gibberish and desperate nonsense that only occupies space without really providing any real Truth what so ever.
The following response will be divided into the following sections:
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam.
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste.
3- Bestiality in Islam?
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam:
To any person with the least atom of a brain, the following Noble Verses clearly refute his lie regarding Islam allegedly allowing lesbianism or homosexuality in general:
"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. (The Noble Quran, 4:15)" If the lesbian woman or women repent, then she or they would be set free. See proof.
"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:16)" The punishment is 100 stripes. See proof.
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (The Noble Quran, 7:81)"
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"Let no (Muslim) man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a (Muslim) woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever (pagan woman): nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:3-5)"
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
"(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? (The Noble Quran, 27:54)"
"A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, 24:1-2)"
"Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (The Noble Quran, 17:32)"
"O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 60:12)"
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste:
Chastity in Islam is well defined in the Noble Quran. It is not just limited to sexual intercourse. It includes everything that deals with and promotes sex and sexual excitement! Talking loose, flirting, dressing inappropriately, promoting sexual and evil thoughts in the society are all condemned in the Noble Quran:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. (The Noble Quran, 24:31)"
"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)""Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:25)"
"This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). (The Noble Quran, 5:5)"
"She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (The Noble Quran, 19:20)"
"O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste! (The Noble Quran, 19:28)"
"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- (The Noble Quran, 24:4)"
"Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty,- (The Noble Quran, 24:23)"
There are few important points to notice here, especially in Noble
Verse 24:31 above:
1- Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslim women to look down when approaching men and to guard their modesty.
2- They must cover their bodies and only reveal their beauty to their husbands and few other relatives.
3- Out of stranger males, they can only uncover their hair in front of little children who "have no sense of the shame of sex".
4- Women can not "strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments." In other words, do not flirt!
I think point #3 pretty much sums it all up!
The fact, from among stranger males, that women can only display the parts of their bodies that are above the shoulders to little children who don't know anything about sex, PROVES without doubt that lesbianism is illegal in Islam.
The sick pornographic and polytheist trinitarian pagan's point, Sam Shamoun that is, is simply that since lesbians' sex is not done by uniting the penis and the vagina together, or by inserting the penis into a vagina, then Islamically it is not forbidden. Since the two women would obviously have only vaginas, and since the Christian Western made "porn toys" didn't exist 1500 years ago, then to pornographic bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", sex between the two women in all its forms is legal.
What this pornographic polytheist trinitarian pagan doesn't realize is that the "shame of sex" that Allah Almighty talked about regarding the little boys, it would obviously include a condemnation of the two women having an inappropriate relationship with each others, even including just a loose and flirty talk directed at each others (See also Isaiah 1:9-17: Yahweh called Israel Sodom, because it spreads evil and is unjust). Let alone having a physical sexual relationship.
This is further proven in the following Hadith:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. This is perfectly summed up in this Noble Verse:
"Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to God, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about God of which ye have no knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 7:33)"
And to answer Sam Shamoun's silly points regarding lesbianism:
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are a must to follow according to the
Noble Quran: The authentic Sunnah (the way the Prophet lived) and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. There are ample Noble Verses in the Noble Quran that Command the Muslims to follow not only the Noble Quran, but also the Commands of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: "O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)" "God did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of God, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error. (The Noble Quran, 3:164)" "Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. (The Noble Quran, 5:92)" "(We sent) clear proofs and the scriptures. Now, We have sent you this reminder (Quran) so that you may demonstrate the revelations to them. Perhaps they may reflect and ponder! (The Noble Quran, 16:44)" "When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)" "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (The Noble Quran, 7:157)" "Say: "Obey God, and obey the Apostle: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Apostle's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)""So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey the Apostle; that ye may receive mercy. (The Noble Quran, 24:56)""Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God. (The Noble Quran, 33:21)""It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (The Noble Quran, 33:36)""The Day that their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire, they will say: "Woe to us! Would that we had obeyed God and obeyed the Apostle!" (The Noble Quran, 33:66)""It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;- (The Noble Quran, 62:2)""So obey God, and obey His Apostle: but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Apostle is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. (The Noble Quran, 64:12)"Most of these Noble Verses were taken from
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The whole point of the veil is not just to have a scarf covering the woman. It also includes living a chaste and a non-loose and non-flirty life! That is why Allah Almighty even prevented women from striking their feet on the ground to make noise that would draw attention to them, so that men would think that they are trying to draw inappropriate attention to them, such as flirting, as shown in point #4 above.
And it's not just women who are Commanded to live a Chaste life. Men too are Commanded to live it, and to avoid causing evil in the society in all ways. This is mentioned in Noble Verse 33:35 above.
Like I mentioned above in the article, women by nature can very dangerous, just as men by nature can be extremely brainless and stupid when they're sexually too high. Perhaps that is why we see much emphasis on women's' appearances than men in the Noble Quran. To men, a decent shirt and decent pants would do just fine as far as the outside "Chaste" looks are concerned. But to women, it can get much more complicated.
So to prevent some women from abusing their natural and magical beauty and attraction to men, Allah Almighty made it compulsory upon them to cover up, so that they won't eventually become satan's tools to destroy the Chastity of the Muslim society, as it is the case with the pornographic and sexually open christian societies today! Their women have no problem exposing 99% of their bodies through wearing bikinis, sometimes even topless bikinis, on the beaches. Their men and women have no problem in having sex without marriage. They have no problem in corrupting their children and legitimizing to them their illegal ways, etc....
So with all of this in mind, it is now clear that it is the intentions and the actions that are done to promote them, that really matter. Anyone like this polytheist trinitarian pagan and his team of corrupt infidels can act very stupid and twist the Text of the Noble Quran as they please, such as legalizing lesbianism. But they can only fool themselves!
I think the reader can now clearly see just how much of
a total joke Sam Shamoun really is.
3- Bestiality in Islam?
Please visit my rebuttal above at: https://www.answering-christianity.com/lesbian_rebuttal.htm#bestiality.
My Article's Conclusion:
Sam Shamoun had utterly failed to prove that Islam condones homosexuality or any form of unlawful sexuality. I have proven with ample evidence and Noble Verses above that Islam truly honors Chastity and Commands the Muslims to remain Chaste and Pure. I have also demonstrated and proved from the Noble Quran that Chastity in Islam also includes not being a lesbian, contrary to what the desperate polytheist trinitarian pagan tried to prove.
I also proved from the Noble Quran that fathers can not marry their bastard daughters (daughters that came from an illegal sexual experience), and mothers can not marry their bastard sons.
I also proved that bestiality (having sex with animals) is forbidden in Islam, also contrary to what the desperate and perverted polytheist trinitarian pagan tried to prove.
With this I rest my case, and pray to Allah Almighty that may He Guide into the Truth and Light of Islam those who read this article, including Mr. Sam Shamoun and his team. Ameen.
Back to My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.
Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
www.answering-christianity.com/are_homosexuals_real.htm
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Women in Islam VS women in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his marriage from Aisha.
Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.
Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.
Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!
Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.
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Note to Muslims:
As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to. I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them. May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into. Ameen.
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See also: Islam's end of times STUNNING Prophecies section.
Zionist Israel will rule the earth with Mighty Evil! (Islamic Prophecy) The Glorious Quran declared 1,400 years ago that the Israeli Zionist machine will rule the entire earth with mighty evil and power. They will reach "Mighty Heights" علوا كبيرا of evil power and might on earth. See Noble Verses 17:4-8: Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made a stunning prophecy about the one-eyed anti-Christ who will rule the infidels and the world: Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)" Prophet Muhammad had many visions about the dajjal, and gave many signs about him. Some of the things the Prophet said about the dajjal were literal, and some were vision-metaphors. The most prominent one is that he will be one-eyed. This is both literal and metaphoric. It is literal today because the zionist anti-Christ system is indeed represented by the ONE-EYE symbol as seen in the following images. The metaphors here are Allah Almighty not being ONE-EYED, because nothing can describe Allah Almighty. There is "none like unto Him" (Quran, 112:4). In other words also, the Prophet warned that this ONE-EYED SATANIC system will be a worshiped deity. And that false deity is not Allah Almighty. For ample more details and proofs, please visit link below.
Was the
Islamic ONE-EYE Prophecy foretold
before Islam in the Bible's
Zechariah 11:17?
I demonstrated using ample Biblical verses
that the ONE-EYED DAJJAL (anti-Christ) was
never prophesied in the Bible to be
ONE-EYED, nor was this Sign ever given in
the Bible to any being.
For ample
Noble Verses and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet), and proofs,
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Many
references of this Hadith (Saying) exist throughout our
Islamic Texts. This is one of the most popular
Hadiths and Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad, peace be
upon him. And indeed, we are seeing it come to
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"I cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!). I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!! I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty! John 5:31 "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!" GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses. GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient! Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more"; |
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